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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-26 15:53:22 Reply

At 4/26/12 03:49 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: I probably won't do it anymore in the future.

I think there has been some discussion about changing the voting system to thumbs up/down, so that you're measuring a ratio rather than an average rating. of course the problem with that would be that experimental stuff that doesn't appeal to the masses get's lower scores than average stuff.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-26 15:59:29 Reply

I think it should just be that ratings of 0, 1, and 5 should require a comment. Like they'd have to leave at least a 100 character comment or something to give those scores since 0 or 1 suggests that a picture needs massive improvement, therefore critiques SHOULD be given, and a 5 suggests that a picture is outstanding, therefore a user should explain what's so good about it.

This would discourage people from mindlessly voting 5s or casting hater votes...or it could just create a bunch of spam.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-26 16:03:38 Reply

At 4/26/12 03:59 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: ...or it could just create a bunch of spam.

this ^


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-26 16:10:11 Reply

Only show the average score when the user has voted.
Problem solved?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-26 17:23:58 Reply

At 4/26/12 04:10 PM, Flowers10 wrote: Only show the average score when the user has voted.
Problem solved?

That could work, possibly, but I don't know how difficult the coding would be for that.
Also, does voting stay maintained as only once a day per submission, or should it be changed to only once ever for a submission?

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-26 17:36:59 Reply

At 4/26/12 05:23 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote: That could work, possibly, but I don't know how difficult the coding would be for that.
Also, does voting stay maintained as only once a day per submission, or should it be changed to only once ever for a submission?

1 time, whats the point in voting multiple times anyway?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-26 18:23:18 Reply

At 4/26/12 05:36 PM, Flowers10 wrote:
At 4/26/12 05:23 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote: That could work, possibly, but I don't know how difficult the coding would be for that.
Also, does voting stay maintained as only once a day per submission, or should it be changed to only once ever for a submission?
1 time, whats the point in voting multiple times anyway?

Mmm, yeah, I agree. The one time voting would also prevent people from upvoting their own submissions.
And it would also mean people would have to look at new flash to get their daily experience, meaning more exposure for lesser known users.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-26 20:41:19 Reply

At 4/26/12 04:10 PM, Flowers10 wrote: Only show the average score when the user has voted.
Problem solved?

what then exactly is the purpose of showing the score at all?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-26 21:32:06 Reply

At 4/26/12 11:26 AM, Deathcon7 wrote: I'm more interested in the interpretation. I don't ever expect to be a visual artist, but I'd love to be able to dissect images. Who you idolize as an artist would be fantastic, too, as well as why. In this way I can do some research on them and get into some really great art.

Well. To be honest, I'm even having trouble coming up with any decent coherent response to the idea of interpretation. Perhaps a piece should be chosen before we attempt to interpret it. Because basically with a piece to focus on, the only thing that we can really say is that interpretation is a perception, a point of view.

Dissection is pretty easy for the most part. Especially from a technical stand point. Most of us dissect pieces when we critique.
Although trying to find a meaning or message from dissection is a bit more difficult. A lot of that will depend on how much stock we want to put in to symbolism.
As it has already been mentioned most of the community create art out of fun or attempts to make careers out of it. Most of us have no deep emotions tearing us apart or important messages to tell. Yeah sure some times a piece pops up with some more personal stock drove through its heart, its not often though. We just want to create.
And to be honest with my opinion I really don't have much love lost for those who smear paint on a canvas and claim it to be an expression of their soul. Really, I think people like this are full of shit... or speghettpes as this case may be [NSFW]

no really, this is art? I won't want to live on this planet anymore.

Sorry a personal little rant of mine there.

Moving on.

I have a lot of current favorite artist. But two of my tops of all time have got to be John Howe and Alvin Lee

I got to know John Howe's work through his dragons, obviously. I bought some of his books off of amazon a few years back cause they looked good and were pretty cheap. After reading them, and learning about some of his concept work he did for the LOTR movies, I was hooked. I love his approach to drawing dragons. His seem so much more fantastical and ferocious.

As For Alvin lee, I got to him through the Street Fighter Comics put out by Udon.

Oh CAPCOM, you make it so hard to be a fan of you as of late..

I really like his line work. Its very strong. I like his coloring too, but that sweet sexy line work. Umm.. yeah baby, thats the wa... Er... yeah.
Come to find out that Alvin lee was a big fan of John Howe too seeing as he wrote the intro to one of the John How Drawing Fantasy book I bought. He fanboy'd a little.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-29 03:30:16 Reply

Sorry to derail the stimulating discussion, but here's a song my band recorded, which doesn't fit on our ep due to it's style and we don't really want to include in our b-sides cd we're releasing either. Check it out or not, your choise:

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    A song about nostalgia and change

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-29 04:58:26 Reply

I guess it wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so painfully obvious that someone just 0-bombed a piece.

Like 10 people thought "x art" deserved a 4.7, give or take. One more person votes and the score is now 4.2. And maybe that better reflects what that one person thinks of the piece but what about the opinions of the 10 people that came before them? The average is no longer an average but rather it's engineered to suit one person's opinion, in which case an individual review would've been more suitable.

And yeah I don't get why you can vote multiple times on a piece, either. This entire voting system seems a little slapshod in concept ( no offense ).

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-29 05:18:08 Reply

I dunno if anybody'll read this & it doesn't matter if anybody gives a damn, but I feel like saying it somewhere anyway.
Is it just me...or do you have to be just way too talented on NG to get anywhere when it comes to artwork standards?
On deviantART, for example...I used to feel like, eh my art's pretty sub-par, but people gave me helpful feedback & it
helped me improve quite a lot. Here, on the other hand, it seems like a pretty steep hill by comparison.
It's either just not exactly a very helpful community or a MUCH, MUCH less tolerant one. It really seems very unfair.
An amateur artist on deviantART can get started, get pointers, and get better at what they do, but here...no so. :/

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-29 05:35:51 Reply

At 4/29/12 05:18 AM, M0nk3m4n wrote: I dunno if anybody'll read this & it doesn't matter if anybody gives a damn, but I feel like saying it somewhere anyway.
Is it just me...or do you have to be just way too talented on NG to get anywhere when it comes to artwork standards?
On deviantART, for example...I used to feel like, eh my art's pretty sub-par, but people gave me helpful feedback & it
helped me improve quite a lot. Here, on the other hand, it seems like a pretty steep hill by comparison.
It's either just not exactly a very helpful community or a MUCH, MUCH less tolerant one. It really seems very unfair.
An amateur artist on deviantART can get started, get pointers, and get better at what they do, but here...no so. :/

and i always felt on DA no one comments on your work unless you're doing fanart and feels like a graveyard a lot of the times , different experiences i guess. I do find the art forum a lot more encouraging then just submiting my stuff on DA, at least i get actual comments here

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-29 05:52:19 Reply

In general neither place is particularly helpful if you have no idea where to find the help.

In the art forums, you make a thread, read art101 and watch the lounge and other people's threads and you'll pick up on helpful info, a lot of the response for your own personal thread just comes down to how interested people are in helping or commenting. But both communities really have an even smaller niche.

I found that if I ever wanted real feedback I'd have to be on the art forum's stickam room really, and in DA I have only ever gotten feedback that wasn't "OH SO CUTE/CREEPY <3" when I was in a DA group chat.

I am a little astonished you received real feedback on your art on DA because I've been going there for almost 7 years and totally don't get that really. Especially now that I stopped posting fan art on my page.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-29 06:07:40 Reply

At 4/29/12 05:18 AM, M0nk3m4n wrote: I dunno if anybody'll read this & it doesn't matter if anybody gives a damn, but I feel like saying it somewhere anyway.
Is it just me...or do you have to be just way too talented on NG to get anywhere when it comes to artwork standards?
On deviantART, for example...I used to feel like, eh my art's pretty sub-par, but people gave me helpful feedback & it
helped me improve quite a lot. Here, on the other hand, it seems like a pretty steep hill by comparison.
It's either just not exactly a very helpful community or a MUCH, MUCH less tolerant one. It really seems very unfair.
An amateur artist on deviantART can get started, get pointers, and get better at what they do, but here...no so. :/

The standard on DA is seemingly lower because there is a larger number of artists in general (ie. more crap to sort through). The number of good artists just seems smaller in proportion. Some of the best artists in the world use DA (maybe just for publicity, tho), so I wouldn't say NG has a higher standard. But I wouldn't say NG has a low standard, either. I mean the guy who now works on League of Legends used to post art here.

The reason why it's harder to get feedback and such here is 1.) NG is not exclusively about art and 2.) the interface of NG's Art Portal is streamlined to the point where art is replaced at a very high rate. Your work could be out of the public eye within one or two hours past uploading it. Most people never venture past the front page to look for art.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-29 08:21:07 Reply

At 4/29/12 05:18 AM, M0nk3m4n wrote: An amateur artist on deviantART can get started, get pointers, and get better at what they do, but here...no so. :/

Nah, I disagree. Id like to see these reviews on your DA, since I've visited tons of people's profiles and have only come across the usual dick-licking comments, or brain-dead crit. like "fix your anatomy"

At 4/29/12 06:07 AM, CypressDahlia wrote: The standard on DA is seemingly lower because there is a larger number of artists in general (ie. more crap to sort through). The number of good artists just seems smaller in proportion.

^ this. The saving grace of DA is that their daily chosen art are brilliant and from a variety of artists. For NG it's harder to do this since it doesn't have the same population of artists.

The reason why it's harder to get feedback and such here is 1.) NG is not exclusively about art and 2.) the interface of NG's Art Portal is streamlined to the point where art is replaced at a very high rate. Your work could be out of the public eye within one or two hours past uploading it. Most people never venture past the front page to look for art.

^ this as well. I also think people would prefer to dump a faceless 5 vote on people's submissions, which doesn't have the same impact as a review.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-29 19:40:11 Reply

So I dunno if you guys already know about this, but Monoprice, that website that sells really cheap electronics and stuff, makes their own graphics tablets. Of course, this makes most of us go "Ehhh...", but apparently they actually work amazingly. The guy who wrote this review claims to prefer it over his Cintiq, and even gave away his Intuos. If you don't wanna look at the article, here's an example of the guy noodling around with it, looks pretty nice to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPI7qFwdNRg

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-29 21:22:24 Reply

At 4/29/12 07:40 PM, Spags wrote: So I dunno if you guys already know about this, but Monoprice, that website that sells really cheap electronics and stuff, makes their own graphics tablets.

Wow those are stupidly cheap.....
If only I knew sooner.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-30 01:13:29 Reply

Well, I made this about 8 hours ago, but didn't decide to plug it..... might as well plug it now.

  • Babycakes - Doors
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    Babycakes tells us about doors

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-30 01:20:58 Reply

At 4/30/12 01:13 AM, big-jonny-13 wrote: Well, I made this about 8 hours ago, but didn't decide to plug it..... might as well plug it now.
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/483483

Dude, that's spot on :D Great job!

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-04-30 10:05:05 Reply

At 4/30/12 01:20 AM, Lucky wrote: Dude, that's spot on :D Great job!

I am Babycakes, you are Babycakes, I am the world.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-01 08:06:47 Reply

Okay gents. I've been having a bit of an e-identity crisis thus far and have seriously been considering a name change. So, a question for the masses: "siliconcat" or "siliconlynx"?

As a bonus question, these names do not evoke thoughts of furries, now they?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-01 08:16:12 Reply

NEITHER.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-01 08:21:55 Reply

At 5/1/12 08:16 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: NEITHER.

I second this notion.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-01 08:44:03 Reply

At 5/1/12 08:16 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: NEITHER.

NOT AN OPTION
Sorry mum, but I ain't wearing that nickname you go me.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-01 09:16:40 Reply

At 5/1/12 08:44 AM, Re2deemer wrote: Sorry mum, but I ain't wearing that nickname you go me.

Quit being silly, Reginald, and eat your vegetables.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-01 09:23:19 Reply

At 5/1/12 08:06 AM, Re2deemer wrote: "siliconcat"

We already know you are a handsome cat, there is no need implyings it in your names you knows! Re2deemer is an awesomes name and you shall stick with its you knows!


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-01 10:17:05 Reply

At 5/1/12 09:23 AM, MeowolaSS wrote: Re2deemer is an awesomes name and you shall stick with its you knows!

'fraid I don't know. Long story short, "Re2deemer" has been a convenient name that I could use everywhere because its a unique combination, eliminating any chance of a naming conflict.

However, with convenience came a downside that has become more and more worrisome for me lately: it hardly has a future. It is hardly evocative, it is hard to spell, hard to remember and most of all, it's not a name that I wouldn't feel embarrassed giving out to friends and/or employers. It's also not a name that would make for great brand recognition. Think back at some recognizable folk on the net. Can you think of some that had a number in their name (and if they did, did they not have a simpler, easier to remember nickname)? I can only think of one, "deadMau5".

That last part felt especially silly to write, as if I had some fame mania saying that I must be e-famous. THE INTERNET WILL LOVE ME OR IT WILL BURRRRN. That is not the case....it's just that I don't really want to exclude that chance. By now, being 19, I've realized that some things are better done with some foresight. Crafting a self-identity, even if it's on the Internet(which many may not consider serious business), is one of those things. I just want one that I feel comfortable with.

...I'm not saying a silicon-based name is the only option here, of course I'm still prodding and thinking over the different options.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-01 10:31:23 Reply

There is really only one option for a name change for you re2deemer, or should I say
ReginaldDeemerTheSecond


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-01 10:45:28 Reply

At 5/1/12 10:17 AM, Re2deemer wrote: Think back at some recognizable folk on the net. Can you think of some that had a number in their name (and if they did, did they not have a simpler, easier to remember nickname)? I can only think of one, "deadMau5".

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At 5/1/12 10:31 AM, J-qb wrote: ReginaldDeemerTheSecond

Yes, I fully support this option (if it can fit, that is).