At 1/9/22 11:57 AM, HavryloThePigeon wrote:
At 1/5/22 06:05 PM, EdyKel wrote:
At 1/5/22 05:37 PM, HavryloThePigeon wrote:
At 1/5/22 03:39 PM, EdyKel wrote:
At 1/5/22 02:32 PM, Zachary wrote:
At 1/5/22 01:20 PM, Yomuchan wrote:
At 1/5/22 12:27 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:
I'm sorry but I just can't take your Jan. 6th outrage even the slightest bit seriously in light of facts like this because it's all built on a house of cards and short memory and really the reason you are so mad is because people you don't like have any political rights at all.
They'll whinge and REEEEE about January 6th, but are totally fine with actual armed insurrectionists handing out guns to minors with no firearms training, then set up an autonomous zone in Seattle and caused unprecedented amounts of suffering to people there. They need to. Its probably the only thing they have to harp on about now that their other fearmongering angles are rapidly withering out. Well, until they get another bunch of fall guys to do something stupid.
I did not support the CHAZ (and I do not know if Edy did), but that is completely irrelevant to the current conversation.
You should engage with what people actually say in their responses and not strawman arguments.
I never supported CHAZ. I think it was kinda stupid.
Still, considering that Yomuchan is trying to appeal to low hanging fruit by weaving a confusing false equivalency here, from the comfort of his armchair in Taiwan, I think it's best to point out the fact that CHAZ was often the target of right wing violence, and counter protestors. And that throughout 2020, these right wing extremist groups would often infiltrate BLM protests, or engage in violence against them, to cause as much chaos, and bad optics for it as they could. And many of these same groups would turn up at the capital on Jan 6th. But, I doubt that Yomuchan will be able to accept that, considering he seems to be more interested in agitating the division in this country, with his recent support of gun rights against a tyrannical Biden Government while downplaying Jan 6th.
Got any sources for that?
AP finds most arrested in protests aren’t leftist radicals
Members Of Right-Wing Militias, Extremist Groups Are Latest Charged In Capitol Siege
George Floyd protests: Who are Boogaloo Bois, antifa and Proud Boys?
Leaked Proud Boys Chats Show Members Plotting Violence At Rallies
And you can just Google "counterprotests clash with BLM" to get some sense of it all.
Well fair enough, I'm sure there are many bad actors here who don't actually care about the BLM movement itself. Over 90% of BLM protests are peaceful anyways, so there you go.
But here's the thing, you can't deny the laughably obvious double standard being employed with regards to BLM vs. the Capitol riot. When it comes to 1/6, everyone is mourning for the killed/injured cops and the damage to the White House, and they're all saying that these rioters are evil fascists who had no reason to be there. Which is pretty agreeable. But then when it comes to BLM, all the progressive media outlets condemning 1/6 are suddenly perfectly okay with the rioting, the building-burning and the attacks on police officers, because it's "just a few people" and "it's understandable anger".
Seriously, all through 2020 the main message being delivered by the media was that all cops are bastards and the entire system needs to be dismantled. But when the Capitol right happened, suddenly the leftist media outlets were praising those brave cops who fought those insurrectionists trying to dismantle the system.
It's the same shit they did when lockdowns first happened. First they all said that everyone had to stay inside and mask up to stop Covid - again, nothing wrong with that stance - but when George Floyd got killed, suddenly it was now perfectly fine to violate Covid restrictions by gathering in protests, because it was for a "greater cause" or whatever.
It's so hilariously obvious that the left-wing media just has a double standard they need to adhere to. They will give endless excuses and justifications for groups like BLM and their supporters, but will offer nothing like that for the Capitol rioters. I'm not justifying the violent actions of either side - I fucking hate the Capitol rioters as much as the next guy - I'm just pointing out what is self-evident enough. This isn't directed towards you personally Edy, this is just something you have to admit is blatantly real.
At the same time, you had the right-wing media screaming about Antifa, and the violence in the streets with BLM in 2020, and Trump and Republicans would be the party of tough on crime, law and order... Which was pretty much their main political platform of 2020 - they had no other, oustide of attacking socialism/communism, culture war, and playing victim over cancel culture (just a lot of red meat), and how Trump would save the country. They pretty much never mention the right-wing extremists that kept popping up in those BLM protests to participate and agitate, and were somehow surprised by what happened on Jan 6th, to the point they are still in denial over it.
In the BLM protests, you had many of them with increased police presence because they were expecting the worse from them, but on Jan 6th you had very little security because they ignored the warnings from the FBI, who was hearing a lot of dangerous chatter leading up to that day from far right-wing social media. And many people on the left, including many in the media, were pointing to the clear double standards of it all, if it was not much more, as people learned of that intentional decision to keep a low police presence on that day. Now, those same law and order, pro-police, right wing media, and Republicans, are outraged at those police, with some of those capital police officers now receiving death threats. And to compound this, there were police officers who participated in it.
As for the pandemic, that led to a lot of stir craziness in 2020, we saw a lot of violence spiking that year. People were restless, and so we saw a lot of social unrest and anger, as it gushed out with the death of Georg Floyd. Health officials were not happy by it, but they were resigned to it as long as it was held outdoors, with the hopes that most of the protestors would mask up. The media went along with it because the protests, and violence, is what sells news. Meanwhile, Trump, our president at the time, was holding these huge rallies, while mocking social distancing and mask wearing, and some of those rallies were held indoors, which alarmed those same health officials because large indoor gatherings were a bigger no no - but Trump didn't care, it was all about him.
Let's also make a clear distinction here, while you can find double standards in a lot of this stuff, it doesn't change the fact that you will have people taking positions that often ignore certain contradictions to hold them because they view the other position as worse. I think the questions comes down to is what do you accept more over the other? One that was about justice reform, where they wanted to address police brutality, and the highest incarceration rate in the world, or the other that is over the culture war and Trump's ego. Also, in a sense of irony, anti-BLM people, are now calling for justice reform over capital rioters, as they see them being mistreated by the justice system they see as biased agaisnt them...
