At 7/10/18 10:38 AM, SolidPantsSnake wrote:
At 7/7/18 07:59 PM, EdyKel wrote:
No, it's about the scale of things, with Trump supporters using this rare incident of a trump supporter being subject to harassment,
Plenty of restaurants and bars have refused service to people in MAGA hats, and harassment is common this is far from rare.
Like to back that up? I've only seen a couple of cases, and most of them deal with Trump officials - and even that is nothing new.
So no, it happens rarely, and I'm not going to include cases on the internet, or at a rallies, where it's hard to tell which side is harassing who more.
Oh, and here's today's action's of a Trump supporter. I could post more,if you want. They seem to be daily occurrences.
to cover up the chasm in difference to the daily harassment, and violence, towards minorities, and people on the left, from the right, and hoping that if they scream and pout loud enough that people will think that this is inductive of the left, and greater. It's like screaming over a splinter, hoping people will ignore the gaping knife wound on the other person.
Fine when Donald trump JR is retweeting this that is a fair point.
Funny you should mention this considering that Jr is getting as bad as his father at tweeting white nationalist propaganda.
Don't try to say silly shit when you know can't back it up.
How long has white nationalists been around?
Since the eugenics movement.
I'll give you a cookie for that since I set my self up for that. But just because a term wasn't around over 200 years ago or more doesn't mean it wasn't around in some form - see the following response on liberalism/conservatism.
The essence of white nationalism, or eugenics, goes much further back in time, will before the turn of the 20th century, and the height of Nazi Germany. Elements of these things existed in the form of racial views over non-white races as being inferior to whites, and cultural views against Interracial marriages, and mixed offspring, which go back hundreds of years. So, while eugenics is relatively a new term, it has been practiced for centuries as a cultural way of life which was reinforced by social pressures.
How long have Christian persecuted anyone who went against the grain of their society? And no, you can't use the whole Republican, Democrat argument, as an escape tactic. It's all about liberals, and conservatives, left, and right,
The terms left and right were not even used until the french revolution, and it wasn't until the 20th century that we started using them in the states. Also John Locke who many consider to be the father of liberalism was a christian, a Calvinist I believe, if i am wrong he was still some type of protestant.
You need to stop pretending that liberal, and conservative meant the same things as they do today back then. They don't.
I'm well aware of the history of those words, but the base meaning in them is just as relevant, and reflective of those times, as they do now. It's only the political silliness by either political group to constantly redefine them, using a combination of liberal and conservative ideas, to sell them, or vilify the the other side, which make them unique to this day and age. Liberalism means change and freedom, and open to other cultures and ideas. Conservatives means traditions and authority, and cautious to new ideas and other cultures. Basically, anything that challenged the status quo, establishment, traditions, culture, or authority, would be considered liberal (though, back then they would be considered trouble makers and heretics, and looked down upon or worse). Even within religion this was true.
Ever since Martin Luther took a stand against the Catholic church, which sparked off the protestant reformation, you had new sects of Christianity being created through rebellion, or splintering off, with groups seeking their own freedom to pursue their own beliefs. But, like anything, once something becomes established, and entrenched in a culture and government, it becomes steeped in traditional conservatism that tries to stamp out those who try to change it, or go against the grain, which just leads to a continuous cycle of rebellion. 500 years ago, you had wars among Christians, mostly Catholic and Protestant, digging their heels in against each other, and fighting and persecuting each other, depending on what country they controlled through the aristocracy, which led a lot of Christians to flee to other countries, including the American colonies - And that led to laws over separation of church and state, and freedom of religion, in the Constitution, which was then, as is now, considered to be liberal ideas.
The enlightenment was born from these religious conflicts, and persecutions, which led people to question the religious, and political, authority even more, leading to ideas of smaller government, and guaranteed individual rights. And that is where John Locke comes in. He very much followed, and further refined, English Empiricism, based on the ideas of the observation of the natural world and reasoning. He rejected a a lot of Christian views, and dogma. You could almost argue that he was more of a deist than Christian, later in life. While Lock did not suffer much persecution as other did for his views, many who followed in his footsteps, often forming secret societies of like minded individual, like the the Illuminati, and Freemasons, had to hide their activities underground to avoid being caught and arrested by a government controlled by the conservative views of the Christians.
The Constitution was very much based on the ideas of John Locke, and a lot of European aristocracy would describe the people of this country as being liberal, according to their standards . And we are a very liberal country with our democracy, and views on religious freedom, and individual rights. But that doesn't change the fact that elements of conservatism survived, and those liberal ideas were not extended to other races, gender, or religions outside of Christianity, which would take centuries to change, with conservatives being adverse to those changes, which still continues to this day - not as great, but definitely still there.
and the conservative Democrat of old left for the Republican party of now, while liberal Republicans of old left for the Democrat party. Our two party system have virtually changed places in the last 100 years,
They never left their parties they died out. Very old democrats from the south were still voting blue all the way into the 90's. It was the younger crowd that started voting red.
LOL. You mean like Michelle Bachman, or Rick Perry, to name a few. It's pretty well established that conservative Democrats started to switch parties from 1930's (after the New Deal), and especially during and after 1960's (after the civil rights act passed), because they didn't agree with socialistic ideas and race equality.