At 7/27/17 01:34 PM, MSGhero wrote:

At 7/27/17 12:10 PM, Gimmick wrote: AIR? Where did they mention AIR?

Well, I guess Adobe proper didn't mention AIR as usual. Chris Campbell posted in several places giving a new roadmap for AIR, with a lot of features people have been asking for.

Any examples? I just see a list of feature requests from a Starling thread dated May.

We could always try recreating all the Flash games in HTML5, but who's gonna do that?

At 7/28/17 12:19 PM, MindChamber wrote: Our only claim to fame will be gone, forever

really is a shame cause people still review it and are playing it for the first time. or returning to relive their childhood.

Huhh, Flash has always had that bit of an 'identity' issue, I still hear it in the world of animation (like calling "Flash" to a certain syle/quality of animation regardless of the software it was built with), but curiosly enough, with my latest released games it's similar; some players still call my HTML5 game Dinomelt a Flash game (although maybe just as a synonym for 'browser game')...

In any case I also agree with the biggest worry being the 'archival' aspect of things, there's SO MUCH stuff with huge historical value on good ol' .swf here on NG , I hope there's an alternative for that, mostly for games, but I'm also thinking about 2000-2010 animations: Even if HD video alternatives have taken over, gone are those old tricks like swf movies with easter eggs, experimental menus, and the 'charm' that you couldn't see the timeline to check how long they were, which allowed loops, classic collabs, and all sorts of experiments.

At 7/28/17 12:30 PM, Gimmick wrote: Any examples? I just see a list of feature requests from a Starling thread dated May.

https://forum.starling-framework.org/topic/air-roadmap-update

Flash animations can be converted to mp4, but what will happen with flash games? Enjoy them until they're gone? Even if it is the progress, some things should never disappear. You should have ease access to anything, even if that isn't popular or it is obsolete.

Perhaps this is only my opinion.

This sux... well my website uses flash in it's desktop mode, and I dont know how to convert my stuff to HTML5 to work properly. This is making me regret ever learning and using flash for my website. But looks like you are covered with the work-arround.

RIP flash we'll never forget you.

What are the chances of another company buying Flash from Adobe?

I do have one real big question that I don't think anyone has really brought up or thought to talk about. I know people that mostly make videos already move to MP4 formats with Swiffer, and people that make games can use html5 without a huge change.
But what I want to know is what will people do if they just want to make small videos with buttons like flash loops or for navigation when watching said video. A large group of users on Newgrounds like to use flash for videos, and the ease of buttons for scene selection. I can even bring up that people like to use them to make small porn games with scenes useing buttons to pick different perspectives. Nothing big. But its seems that most people in this forum only talk about how If your going to make videos just convert it to MP4, and if your making games html 5 shouldn't be all that different, But no one is talking about the middle road. Where the videos are long but can't be converted to MP4 so that they can be used to have buttons like a game, but not a large complex like a real game, just something small to get around watching the videos or use of loops.

Alot of people that use Newgrounds have loved that unlike YouTube, you can have buttons and passwords. Pretty much making small DVD like video flash navigation. What will happen to that?
So far on YouTube, and even on Newgrounds itself there are no tutorials or "How to do" videos on this subject, and its seems everyone is just looking pass this. Most tutorials just say "Learn html5 and make games" or "convert SWF files to html for videos" but never both in one.
There doesn't seem to be a straight answer anywhere, and I've spent 3 days trying to find even one bit of help on the subject from all over the internet that might be useful.
I love Flash because videos can play buttons and porn as well can use it for scenes and loops. I don't want to have to learn html5 to completion just to do something so simple that flash did without even being a problem, and I know it can be done in a simple way, because JavaScript does help make buttons in flash with Toolkit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSwdqzq8vpc

There is nothing so far that says I can add the button's code in a JavaScript format with the video or loop then convert the SWF file withToolkit to become a html5 zip. (Swiffy is no longer available. Same with wallaby technology preview also, I've tryed everything)

But the problem with even that is that when I get it converted from a swf file to html5 file and put it in the zip with index.html, and upload it to newgrounds, and try to preview it I just get a blank stage with the code I wrote on it.
I can't look up any videos or anything to know if what I did was wrong and how to fix it or if there is a mistake in somthing small I did because no one seems to have done this before or tried too.

This has been driving me crazy and it worries me because I don't just want to wait with in 3 years to see if someone does anything about it, when I could try to find away as fast as possible. I don't want to give up but after this long. I can't find anything. and I know more Newgrounds users must be wondering the same thing ,or just don't even know this event with Flash support ending is happening, because most people seem to use Newgrounds as an after thought while they keep there main time used on Youtube for videos or even Tumblr to link the viewer to other places for small video formats with buttons or even just to make small porn loops and don't really see a need to keep up with whats happening on Newgrounds every day.

I hate to leave such a large wall of text but I hope someone or even Tom reads this and understand something as small as the use of buttons has a huge impact to Newgrounds, and new comers will ask the same question, but when they do I know it might be too late, so I hope this gets addressed and even solved within the 3 years, so people might have an idea on how to migrate without learning a whole new program for something so small when it seems you can convert it quite easily, but no one knows how just yet.

can we still make flash games and upload them to newgrounds by 2020? Or we can use the adobe flash cs versions to create them?
Also will we be able to upload swf files in general on here or just html5?

At 7/29/17 05:14 AM, SimpleCubic1497 wrote: can we still make flash games and upload them to newgrounds by 2020? Or we can use the adobe flash cs versions to create them?
Also will we be able to upload swf files in general on here or just html5?

Use Construct 3 Stency, Unity Engine l or whatever not Buggy ol Flash Dummy!

At 7/29/17 12:08 AM, Tybia99 wrote: RIP flash we'll never forget you.

I'll never forget Joecartoo.com the first Flash Site I ever loved

At 7/28/17 05:03 PM, ChrisSkyRo wrote: Flash animations can be converted to mp4, but what will happen with flash games? Enjoy them until they're gone? Even if it is the progress, some things should never disappear. You should have ease access to anything, even if that isn't popular or it is obsolete.

Perhaps this is only my opinion.

Flash Games have been converted to iPhone games before and that could happen again for all flash games if someone makes the tool to convert all keyboard and mouse content to mobile device buttons.

At 7/28/17 03:20 AM, Soupcat wrote:

At 7/27/17 02:14 PM, hvanderwegen wrote: Moho

That software is still alive? I remember it dying ages ago. Could be wrong.

Remember the August 2015 "this plugin is outdated and should be updated " Red dialogue box on Firefox browser? That was scary.

At 7/27/17 08:04 PM, Luis wrote: im curious how to salvage the games more than anything, really epic games like newgrounds rumble, or ones where the source files or what have you dont exist anymore. i suppose one could download them but i feel like itd suck to not experience them on the web as was always the case in its lifetime

How about hiring Tiny Build & Team Meat , the Creators of The Hit games No time to explain and Super Meat boy to make the new engine.
Both games started out as Famous Adobe Ash Games in thier beta.

At 7/29/17 12:35 AM, Psychopath wrote: What are the chances of another company buying Flash from Adobe?

The chances of Adobe selling a program to another company are rather bleak seeing that they have been around longer than all thier competitors and the company that is most likely to acquire Adobe Flash Player is Sun Microsystems now known as Oracle (Java script creators) is no good.

Flash, dead? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO BRING IT BACK!!!!!!

At 7/29/17 07:01 AM, GraalPK wrote: Flash, dead? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO BRING IT BACK!!!!!!

Adobe has had Flash stick out of them like a cancerous tumor for some time now due to poor reception and declined use.
Also, its old, and in this day and age, outdated (obsolete is up for debate).

While I will be sad to watch Flash go, I look forward to the future. The rest of us should as well.

At 7/27/17 10:03 PM, deathink wrote: I don't think I will ever stop making little flash experiments. I just hope there will always be a downloadable flash player for future OSs.

That's the scariest thought - that the desktop Flash player itself might stop working on future computers.

At 7/28/17 03:00 AM, Psychopath wrote: This sucks, I had plans that involved using Flash. I guess it's a good thing I never finished learning to code for it. One of the things I had in mind was creating my own player design.

Hey @TomFulp, say I don't want to use the in-house video player and want to make my own in HTML5 & use it through Newgrounds, could that be a possibility?

If we add zip file uploading for movies (in particular for html5 content), that would be a possibility to upload a video with your own player.

At 7/29/17 05:14 AM, SimpleCubic1497 wrote: can we still make flash games and upload them to newgrounds by 2020? Or we can use the adobe flash cs versions to create them?
Also will we be able to upload swf files in general on here or just html5?

You will still be able to upload SWF files for a good long while. If nothing else we'll have them link to downloadable files. Maybe this will cause the final transition to NG also hosting downloadable games of all sorts :P

At 7/29/17 06:28 AM, Gorksonic wrote:

At 7/29/17 05:14 AM, SimpleCubic1497 wrote: can we still make flash games and upload them to newgrounds by 2020? Or we can use the adobe flash cs versions to create them?
Also will we be able to upload swf files in general on here or just html5?

Use Construct 3 Stency, Unity Engine l or whatever not Buggy ol Flash Dummy!

Stencyl actually outputs to SWF so they will need to get an HTML5 output going asap.

I hope to see on Newgrounds in 2021 games and movies. I think that Adobe Flash will change other new. I hope that Newgrounds will be alive in 2021.

At 7/26/17 01:19 PM, TomFulp wrote: Yesterday Adobe announced they will end support for the Flash player in 2020. This means they will no longer make updates or patches for playing Flash content in a web browser and the individual browsers are onboard with removing Flash completely by the end of 2020. This means you will have no way to view an SWF file in a modern browser going into 2021.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 I use Flash CS6 because Flash (a.k.a. Animate) CC 2017 is for Win10 only and I use Win7. SWF = always smooth (not jagged)

MP4 = always jagged

At 7/29/17 11:48 AM, MarioMario456GD wrote:

At 7/26/17 01:19 PM, TomFulp wrote: individual browsers are onboard with removing Flash completely by the end of 2020. This means you will have no way to view an SWF file in a modern browser going into 2021.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 I use Flash CS6 because Flash (a.k.a. Animate) CC 2017 is for Win10 only and I use Win7. SWF = always smooth (not jagged)

MP4 = always jagged

one of the features i hope is in the next redesign is the option of viewing the original SWF on flashes that have been converted
like a discrete little button on its page.
As for the browsers dropping plugins when the time comes we can get an addon that sends the flashes url to flash projector
"C:\Program Files\Flash\Players\FlashPla.exe" or something taylor made to work better.

I think the original Swf files should be backed up and archived

Archive.org often misses files if its bot doesnt get the links,unless you ask the Wayback machine for every file by url individually.

they do have a place where you can upload all the flash files.

If it can be done with the ever expanding mass of images and text posted to 4chan i dont see why not newgrounds
https://archive.org/details/@fourplebs

Swf files are small compared to most video files anyway

a part of why i wasn't on newgrounds lately was having dogshit internet that took ages to load the video's that replaced flash.
whereas on you tube i could set the player to 144p and it would play in under 10 minuets,

that and no longer being a part time worker.

anyhow im planning to upload a flash on my 10th anniversary and making it an swf for old time sake also there's going to be an interactive part but mainly a movie, as long as i have it finished by then, oh and this movie of mine is not going to be shit for a change

Obviously this is pretty scary to me. My whole past 10 years has been based on making Flash Games, and if the 30+ games I've made all of a sudden don't work, it's going to be very depressing for me. I've also spent a year and a half on my new game which is getting close to be releasing, my best game yet, so the news at this time hurts. Of course I will adapt and start to learn Unity most likely now, I just hope an alternative solution is found and my games can live on. It's not good to have my hard work over the years all of a sudden be phased out.

On the plus side, at least I am just about to release my new game soon and mise well start pushing myself into Unity and can still upload them to Newgrounds. I updated my supporter payment today so I'm confident You'll find a way to export them or keep it going Tom.

At 7/26/17 05:37 PM, ThePhenomenon wrote: Site locked games are THE biggest issue. Years ago I downloaded a bunch of personally favorite SWFs due to reliability problems but I just can't deal with site locked SWFs. About half of SWFs are site locked and they don't work downloaded. So all those people saying that all you need is a Flash player program are wrong. You need the files on the server where they were submitted (I don't know exactly how it works) to get them to play. Another problem is getting the right dimensions not to see out of frame content...

Every animation in video format has a shitty quality (under the best settings provided) that is no match to SWF's perfect vector quality. This is a downgrade that has been going for these years and will continue. Things just went for the worse. And the video format takes forever to load and lags all the way until loading is finished (which doesn't happen with Flash).

Okay, I may be wrong, but doesn't HTML5 support some sort of vector drawing actions? I just haven't heard of any software that will export an HTML5 widget/embeddable object style "video" however :/

I think you can use something that plays flash in a web browser. Three years is enough time to find something that plays flash in a web browser. Like Macromedia Flash 8 when it was outdated I still found it in another website.

At 7/29/17 04:15 PM, Supermario10 wrote: I think you can use something that plays flash in a web browser. Three years is enough time to find something that plays flash in a web browser. Like Macromedia Flash 8 when it was outdated I still found it in another website.

It's not the same. Browsers no longer will allow ANY plugin to run - only addons. Plugins are on their way out across the board.

A solution would be to install a virtual machine with an older OS and browser, and install the old Flash player - but who will do that? Too complicated.

Another option is to create executable apps of all the SWF files you have - they will run on desktop machines. But again, for how long after support has ended? And what about mobile?

No, your optimism is misplaced: unless Adobe open sources the Flash player code, this is the end of the road for the Flash player and web SWF content. And Adobe will NEVER open source it.