At 6/2/09 02:07 PM, CanadianSnowman wrote:
Well, I still think you're wrong. I still don't believe mods should have the extra right to not only kick a user of their user page but ban them from the BBS.
I tend to think a very small extension IF the ban was already extent is ok. If you are on that page to complain about an existing ban that IS a violation of the rules. If it's just generally to hate on the mod in question, then yes, the comment should be deleted and you should only be banned from the user page. Maybe I wasn't clear enough on the difference at first? So sorry if I wasn't, legitimately.
They're not on the BBS at that point they're just normal users like everyone else on their user page, butthurt over a bad comment or a spammer should not extend to other sections of the website.
Like I say, I believe if it's a case like I had, that person has had it made clear to them the mod is no longer going to discuss the ban situation with them, and the mod is not opening that discussion up to the public, that user should NOT come to the userpage and shit all over it about a ban unless he wants an extension to be a possibiity. But if the mod is trying to justify GIVING a ban based on what happens on a user page, then no, it's wrong and that should never ever happen. But extensions of existing bans, those are legal under the way the rules are set up now. So my advice is like I say, try to privately and politely contact the mod about the ban, and see what you can do. But don't EVER make your ban complaints public on a mod's userpage. Yes? Fair? Good rule of thumb?
It again would be like I made a spam flash about Wade's wife, I get banned from the flash portal but to top it off I get banned from the audio one too, the two have nothing to do with each other.
That you'd have to take up with Wade, and that's really not the point of this topic. This isn't an open discussion about the portal, it's about the BBS. Wade is a staff member and doesn't want his family made fun of, so to my mind it's his and Tom's call to ban people who do so, but it doesn't relate to this thread.
User pages and the BBS have nothing to do with each other.
They do if a user is commenting on a ban from the BBS. Same as if a user IM's a mod to harass them about a ban. The rule has always been as long as I've been here, and it's still in the main rules, that we can take action on that at our discretion, because we're volunteers and the admins don't believe you should get to trash us for just doing what they asked us to do.
Sorry for the double post, it would help if we had an edit button.
Give it up, never gonna happen. Too easy to abuse. Proofreading before you post would be just as helpful.
Also as a BBS mod your job is to keep the BBS clear of spam and violations of the rules extending a ban to someone to teach them respect isn't something you should be doing.
Ah, but as I've pointed out multiple times, harrassment of a moderator, ESPECIALLY when it's done by ON SITE MEANS, violates the rules. Let me pull that line up for you:
Insulting or harassing the moderators or administrators.
Now, perhaps that should be modified and made clearer to state "about a ban you received" I'd be all for that, but that rule does give us the right to ban you, as I have been told again, by Wade, if you're using outside means to wretch about a ban you received. If it's just general complaining, you should be able to do that. So when these extensions happen, they are within the rules.
Every ban message should have a link to the corresponding BBS rule broken, that's what I always thought.
Not a bad idea, I know my ban messages are pretty clear on what you've done wrong (or I endeavor them to be) and usually have the text that got you banned qouted so it's good and clear. Not always, but usually that's how I do it. I also as I've said numerous times welcome questions as long as they're not personal attacks, whenever somebody doesn't understand a decision I made.
Not ban messages like "I'll teach you!" or "I FUCKED YOUR MOTHER!" or "Fuck you, I'll teach you to spam me!!!"
Yep, those are definitely unacceptable and shouldn't be happening. Mods are supposed to be more professional then that. Bans are supposed to be informative, not something to make the mod giving it or people who can read it chuckle. If you can be informative AND funny, coolness. But you HAVE to be informing the user what they did wrong and it HAS to be a violation of the rules.