At 11/12/08 10:59 PM, Corky52 wrote:
Just throwing out a scenario here. What happens if a review mod comes along and gives negative points for a review or reviews. The review gets marked again by other people and a different review mod comes along and thinks it's worthy of being deleted. That's my personal opinion on why people would think they lose whistle points on reviews that were deleted and they get confused on the matter. Wouldn't you agree that this scenario is very likely to happen everyday so it isn't always someone crying/complaining for the wrong reason?
Although that scenario is possible, I believe that's highly unlikely as the review moderator team are fully aware of the complete tonal difference between what reviews are deem deletable and what reviews are clearly fair reviews.
I believe that more than likely, its due to the case of mis-flagging. One of the most common (imo) for i.e., a poster linking to a set of reviews with the statement "the first two reviews" in which case the abusive reviews could have already been removed, lending to mis-flagging. I know you're aware of this but some people are quick on the draw. To those people, please carefully read the reviews and make a qualitative judgment before flagging a review.
At 11/13/08 06:59 AM, Corky52 wrote:
Now if people can't see the two major problems with this then they are blind. First off let's cover the 2001 reviews. There weren't review guidelines? I thought there was review guidelines, but just not any review mods.
I believe the review guidelines came in place in 2003.
The problem is how are people suppose to know there isn't a review guideline? Tell me why in the world would you give them negative points for marking an abusive review when it says that reviews before a certain date can't be marked? That's pretty dumb to me. Even people who have been here for a couple of years might not have any clue. It's not like most of them were around in 2001 and the earlier dates to even know this right?
I'm sure Malachy can give you his own response to your question but in my belief, people shouldn't be looking for ridiculous old abusive reviews in the first place. I can understand why this issue seems trifling but you have to consider that the reviews were created before the guidelines, thus shouldn't bare the same tenacity as current reviews. I've taken a look at the reviews that malachy cleared and I can understand why he did as so. It was hardly abusive (minus the websitelinking) but if you happen to look at it without any set of guidelines; would you honestly see it as abusive?
I'm sure you and the other regulars knew about the caution on flagging ancient reviews, so why did they not stop and reconsidered? Did anybody notice the date of these reviews?
It's unfortunate for those guys, but they just got to deal with it and learn. \
You are saying that just because they have a good review they are allowed to stick their website in the bottom of the review? So I can start putting my myspace url or hell say I was the owner of meatspin and put that link in the bottom of my review every time? There is no difference whatsoever here, but again you say you give negative points for reviews that are clearly against the rules.
The difference here is the date of the reviews. You're aware of the guidelines; the reviewer from 2001 was not. I hope this clear up a bit of confusion. :-)
At 11/13/08 07:27 AM, Jawdyn wrote:
I want you to make it clear where the fine line is drawn between abusive and useless. I also want all the review mods to go by the same rules and information because it feels like depending on the review moderator, I could lose or gain points.
Honestly, abusive and useless reviews should be blantly obvious. If you feel strongly a review is abusive, flag it (Read the Review Guidelines) if you're unsure; don't flag it and/or ask a review mod. We all closely follow the review guidelines and it's very unlikely that our judgment will be crossed between what review is constituted as deleted and a review that is cleared with penalty.
At 11/13/08 08:03 AM, Jawdyn wrote:
At 11/13/08 07:59 AM, dave-mac-dave wrote:
If you're not fucking sure, why bother flagging it? You guys are so fucking retarded, it hurts.
I think you're mad because YOUR WHISTLE ITS SWEATY AND GREEN. SUCK MY BIG FAT DICK YOU FAGGOT!
Cut the bickering please. Let's all try to be sensible adults here.