Merry Christmas everyone.
Even though these days I'm not around as much as I used to be, you guys are always in my thoughts :)
I hope you all make it through a miserable bah humbug day and have a happy new year!
Merry christmas, ya nerds.
and anything else you may celebrate
Happy New Year's, you collectively funky pile of nipples and toothpaste.
I hope none of you remain under the abject tyranny of sobriety.
Got a new tablet from my sister and gonna get it on January!
It's definitely an awesome Christmas for me. :3
Merry Christmas forum art lounge!
Drawin' and being trash. :3
Hey babes, I unscouted someone with a fairly large tree and I have below a list of all the people who he'd scouted, if you'd like give me a hand in picking them back up. Use your own judgement though, I haven't looked at all of them to check that they're portal worthy.
list:
@doberman
@floodwing
@subliminalvirus
@TheYoAsobi
@sedacaru
@Xtremeneox
@instantbenz
@shadow-ghost
@Zirchicken
@AgusTorena
@anroll
@jesse3xj
@ngpulp
@crusaderTM
@twobyfour
@uniporn
@elseedy
@aniMate
Thanks!
so that means I automatically got dropped because of the guy that found me was unscouted?? this is weird.
At 1/2/15 08:35 PM, twobyfour wrote: so that means I automatically got dropped because of the guy that found me was unscouted?? this is weird.
That's how the branching system works. The base of the branch gets cut off, all that was a part of that branch falls off, too.
At 1/2/15 08:35 PM, twobyfour wrote: so that means I automatically got dropped because of the guy that found me was unscouted?? this is weird.
Yeah. Often non-portal worthy artists are inclined to scout other non-portal worthy artists, so usually it works out.
At least these people deserve to be scouted in my oppinion.
elSEEDY
Xtremeneox
SubliminalVirus
aNroll
And of course I'd be grateful if I would be scouted as well :)
I'm the last one on the list, AniMate.
Thank you for your consideration.
At 1/11/15 11:39 AM, CypressDahlia wrote: So uhh can someone do something about a user named tdafgt. I read one of his "reviews" on Alvin's latest work and decided to look into it. Apparently he only speaks this language.
I got a review from the person as well. He had posted 65 identical "watwatwat" reviews. What a strange waste of time.
World Famous Kasper Lundsfryd Illustrations
nilfisk
At 1/11/15 05:49 PM, Lundsfryd wrote: I got a review from the person as well. He had posted 65 identical "watwatwat" reviews. What a strange waste of time.
he might be calling you a twat, Lun :X
At 1/11/15 11:39 AM, CypressDahlia wrote: So uhh can someone do something about a user named tdafgt. I read one of his "reviews" on Alvin's latest work and decided to look into it. Apparently he only speaks this language.
It's probably chav for "live long and prosper".
At 1/11/15 07:07 PM, test-object wrote:At 1/11/15 05:49 PM, Lundsfryd wrote: I got a review from the person as well. He had posted 65 identical "watwatwat" reviews. What a strange waste of time.he might be calling you a twat, Lun :X
Haha... Of course! I totally did not see that. I suppose I should be glad as it would seem that I still have some of my child-like innocense :P
World Famous Kasper Lundsfryd Illustrations
nilfisk
At 1/14/15 11:54 AM, CypressDahlia wrote: Haha I think that user got pissy that I posted that here. He just went ahead and zero bombed every piece of art in my gallery for the past two days.
Seems like a bit of a twat(watwatwatwatwatwatwatwatwatwatwatwat).
At 1/14/15 03:20 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: haha yeah. These days I'm kinda thankful for these types of people as they will be responsible for a very, very long overdue and necessary overhaul to the voting system.
Woah, I just realized you came back :O
Awesome! It's nice to see some old faces :)
At 1/14/15 06:06 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: Haha yup. I spent a year working with a lot of big names. But now I'm back and still as obnoxiously vocal as I've always been. A lot of pros told me the worst part about me is how much shit I talk but I told them I thought art was about personality.
Really? You're a shit talker?
Never felt that way to me...
At 1/14/15 11:35 PM, bigjonny13 wrote: Really? You're a shit talker?
Never felt that way to me...
Yeah, if anything I always filed you under "too-polite-to-express-his-clearly-vehement-feelings" .
At 1/15/15 09:05 AM, CypressDahlia wrote: but in actuality they demand YOUR respect to the point where their feelings come before your expression.
Or they become fans because you draw boobs ;D
At 1/14/15 03:20 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: haha yeah. These days I'm kinda thankful for these types of people as they will be responsible for a very, very long overdue and necessary overhaul to the voting system.
Such is the issue with representing a complex opinion numerically. It gives them credence to the thought that they have power over you.
At 1/16/15 07:42 AM, CypressDahlia wrote: Good Points
Yeah, in theory anyways. I've always found it odd that there are two rating systems in the first place.
At 1/15/15 09:05 AM, CypressDahlia wrote: The entire portal is based on standards indirectly set by non-artists (thru view counts and ratings), which is why quality control is so difficult.
Not exactly? The primary form of quality control exerted over the portal is the scouting system, definitely run by artists. Do you really care about ratings and page views? You're so skilled I'd think you could rest confident in that respect.
I mean even when I had like 800 fans on NG, people got pissy whenever I wrote impassioned or angry things on my page.
Any set of 800 is statistically bound to have some assholes.
At 1/16/15 01:15 PM, lovingthedark wrote: Not exactly? The primary form of quality control exerted over the portal is the scouting system, definitely run by artists. Do you really care about ratings and page views? You're so skilled I'd think you could rest confident in that respect.
I think he means quality control of the rating system.
I've never particularly liked the number system, on newgrounds or otherwise. I'd even like them removed from reviews in general and make them strictly text, but I know I'm probably in the minority on that. But for the flash portal it was a necessary evil to have some kind of quality control, even though it could be abused when the community was smaller. But I don't understand why it exists in any other part of the site. There's no real reason other than it's just what the flash portal did.
At 1/16/15 03:23 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: The scouting system by its nature is very hard to keep track of and really only offers control if you use it at all. The thing about the scouting system is that it's not useful for enforcement.
I used the scouting system a decent bit even before I was modded, and I generally find it quite effective on the whole. Compare the average level of quality between scouted and unscouted sections- it's a fairly different across the board. Plus it rewards artists for working to improve themselves pretty palpably while not excluding people just for being middling skill-wise. Granted the checks and balances fall mostly on the mod team, but I wouldn't change that.
There are no tools that allow us to maintain a standard.
You can talk to a mod if there's someone you feel is sub-par that we haven't caught yet.
Views and ratings don't matter to me personally.
Your most recent journal post says otherwise pretty emphatically.
What I meant by that is the ratings given by the public indirectly affect what kind of work artists feel validated doing. It shows what kind of work is respected or expected on the site as a whole.
You cater pretty well to the NG mold, I'd say tits, fanart, mechs and monsters and all. Is that not what speaks to you?
front page of the portal
We're working on this, I swear.
Over here, we have one indistinct mass of "scouted" users who are responsible for quality control, where a small percentage of them are a much higher skill level and should therefore have more leverage.
So you're saying people should have what, more voting power based on followers or their own vote power or something? How would you structure this?
It's "fair", but not meritocratic.
I'm pretty okay with that. I don't particularly feel that my enjoyment of a piece, however trained and specialized over however many years of practice and schooling, is any more valid than a non-artist's. The best way to improve a composition or fix your values is not the only kind of useful information you can get from a review- I had a professor once that used to run critiques stripped of the intention to improve physical form of a piece. Instead she'd have us go in a circle, first saying whatever popped into our heads when we saw the piece, then again expressing what it makes us think of, what it made us feel. Definitely some of the most useful feedback I received in college, and hardly something you need artistic training for.
Who do you want to serve with your art?
At 1/16/15 07:55 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: And very displeased at how art has become a commodity to many people.
Art has been a commodity for millennia. What are you talking about?
I mean 90% of my work isn't on NG and the work that is on NG, maybe only 50% of it was meant for NG specifically. A lot of what I post is just runoff from groups like Brainstorm and Daily Spitpaint, or portfolio pieces that I didn't mind posting. I don't mean this in a dismissive way, but NG isn't like...my life. It never was, not from the day I joined.
I have 1,000 fans and honestly I feel nothing.
That's super sad, you spending time here when you don't enjoy us at all. I hate to say you should leave since I take pleasure in your art, have a lot of respect for you, and like pointing you out as an example of anime-inspired work done right, but why don't you leave? I mean clearly you've been fairly gone for months, but you came back. Why?
For instance, I'm here since I like dick jokes, like the opportunity to help other artists, and I'm eternally amused by the dichotomy created by the population of sixteen year olds thinking with their genitalia and the population of skilled, charming twenty or thirty something year olds bitter about the sixteen year olds thinking with their genitalia that they used to number among. It's hilarious to me. Plus NG has a much better sense of community than dA, I like the scouting system, and people aren't too snobby. And as an artist forever in pursuit of gesamtkunstwerk, I enjoy NG's multimedia focus.
95% of these people just eat my work like candy. That's all it is to them. Candy.
What sort of consumption do you expect? Normally that turn of phrase is a complement. IMHO, I'd describe your work as technically brilliant but not terribly interesting/innovative content-wise. A heavy tendency towards straightforward contemporary digital illustration- candy is maybe a good metaphor? I wouldn't put it so negatively though.
I would say just allow users to be scouted multiple times and keep a count of how many times they've been scouted. Put a star next to their name or something. It's simple and it shows how much merit a person has based on their skill level, as evaluated by other scouted users (who are, presumably, artists). It allows people who are actually thinking critically about art to honor users they respect, and distinguishes thorough, critical opinions from ambiguous masses of votes.
Hmm, interesting.
My landlord. TBH, I serve nobody with my art except maybe a client.
Not even yourself? Why did you choose art over engineering? I ask because you sound pretty unhappy with your chosen profession, only finding fulfillment in external recognition. That sounds like a terrible way to live, but what do I know.
And with that line of thinking, you lose all sense of structure. Everything becomes this subjective mush that can't be evaluated.
I'd say art is a subjective mush whose evaluation doesn't translate well between individuals. That's what so glorious about it. You do realize you're complaining simultaneously that art is both seen as too much of a product on Newgrounds and not enough of one?
If I cared about my ratings I would have just stored my art in the "trash" like I said and restored it at a different point. I wouldn't have openly reported the TWATWATWAT user in the thread, out of fear of being targeted (because if they had the time to do that, the probably have the time to do this). I have no interest in "saving" my ratings.
Many of those paintings have been +1'd by people like James Paick and John Park, so I already know what they're worth.
What a big e-peen you have. Call me old-fashioned, but what happened to evaluating your stuff yourself? Have some faith in your own opinion. You've worked hard, you're allowed to take personal pride in it.
