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At 1/13/13 09:13 PM, AJtheRipper wrote: Jeeez I had to grave dig this topic it was 4 days old :o

I didn't want to make a new post haha. Anyways, I was just curious. What would an honest price an artist would ask for on an album art piece? I've already asked somebody but I've just never done this before. I won't be making any money for it, it's just purely for entertainment purposes only. The image would be pretty graphic there might be a lot going on so it might not be something somebody can finish in an hour or two.

Eh... depends, but I'd start at $30, as a minimum. If the artist is super good or the image is crazy complicated that's kind of an insulting fee though.

At 1/8/13 10:50 PM, Aigis wrote: I found this cool video explaining Andrew Loomis's approach to drawing the head. You should check it out if that's a thing you want to learn about.

How to Draw the Head from Any Angle

I have two of Andrew Loomis' books now. They are well worth the money. So far I have Creative Illustration and Figure Drawing For All It's Worth and both are insanely useful

At 1/16/13 12:32 PM, BilalZ wrote: i'll see you there or i won't.

Please come back to us.

In other news, Jonny is a working man now, with a big boy job.

At 1/16/13 04:25 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote:

At 1/16/13 12:32 PM, BilalZ wrote: i'll see you there or i won't.

Please come back to us.

In other news, Jonny is a working man now, with a big boy job.

Woo go jonny. Guess we couldn't slack forever after all... damn..

whats that? the sound of my child hood dreams being crushed?.... yup...

So who you working for and what you doing?

5 bucks says its either being just awesome all day, or a professional Canadian ninja....

At 1/16/13 06:40 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: Woo go jonny. Guess we couldn't slack forever after all... damn..

whats that? the sound of my child hood dreams being crushed?.... yup...

Yeah, it was fun but it doesn't pay the bills....

So who you working for and what you doing?

5 bucks says its either being just awesome all day, or a professional Canadian ninja....

While both of those are my full time jobs, I don't get paid for those either..... except in street cred, which is the most important kind of cred.
But anyways I've got a job as a sales rep. I go to stores and make sure product is on the shelves. Yay!

At 1/16/13 10:27 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote:

At 1/16/13 06:40 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: Woo go jonny. Guess we couldn't slack forever after all... damn..

whats that? the sound of my child hood dreams being crushed?.... yup...

Yeah, it was fun but it doesn't pay the bills....

So who you working for and what you doing?

5 bucks says its either being just awesome all day, or a professional Canadian ninja....

While both of those are my full time jobs, I don't get paid for those either..... except in street cred, which is the most important kind of cred.
But anyways I've got a job as a sales rep. I go to stores and make sure product is on the shelves. Yay!

break some knee caps if those walmart bastards don't stock your wares, gotcha. Sounds fun... well the knee capping anyway.
Well congrats man. Really awesome

Iv'e grown an affinity for the art classified under the label of Outsider Art.

There is a lot of really great material to go through. The raw nature of the art proves to be an amazing source of inspiration to fuel expressive technique. Look into it!

At 1/17/13 12:39 AM, Captain-Carrion wrote: Iv'e grown an affinity for the art classified under the label of Outsider Art.

You mean the art created by the talentless idiots who literally had to make a classification for art so bad that they claimed they meant it to be bad when in reality none of them had the skills to create anything worthwhile?

"yeah it sucks, but its supposed to, thats the whole point. We are taking the conventions that make everything good in art and since we lack the necessary ability to meet those conventions we are gonna make our own club where bad is good."

At 1/17/13 12:44 AM, ornery wrote:

At 1/17/13 12:39 AM, Captain-Carrion wrote: Iv'e grown an affinity for the art classified under the label of Outsider Art.

"yeah it sucks, but its supposed to, thats the whole point. We are taking the conventions that make everything good in art and since we lack the necessary ability to meet those conventions we are gonna make our own club where bad is good."

Holy shit, that's a Grade A in bullshitting right there! I can't help but be impressed.

There's a million motherfuckers scribbling to their hearts content and not giving a shit about the quality, so they're pissing in the wind. Still I'm sure that's exactly the kind of "art movement" that would earn them top scores at their local community college.

At 1/17/13 12:44 AM, ornery wrote: You mean the art created by the talentless idiots who literally had to make a classification for art so bad that they claimed they meant it to be bad when in reality none of them had the skills to create anything worthwhile?

"yeah it sucks, but its supposed to, thats the whole point. We are taking the conventions that make everything good in art and since we lack the necessary ability to meet those conventions we are gonna make our own club where bad is good."

The label was invented to describe art made by literal crazy people. Nothing to do with any sort of club people place themselves in.

At 1/17/13 02:08 AM, Aigis wrote:

At 1/17/13 12:44 AM, ornery wrote: Shits out malfacts clouding the general opinion regarding the subject at hand.

Calling the mentally ill talentless idiots is a bit much. Ey tho, clubs and stuff.

But seriously, I even added a link to the Wikipedia page where it clearly states that this is art created by asylum inmates and children. Yeah I'm already assuming you are going to retort with some shit about how the definition taught to you amidst getting you useless art degree was broader and along the lines of "hurdur poser art".

I don't mind you trying to correct me but Jesus Christ do you have to me so ornery about it?
:seewatididthere?

At 1/17/13 05:17 AM, Captain-Carrion wrote: Blablabla

I'm with Carrion on this one. The point of Outsider Art is that it's made by people who are completely loose of a 'normal' single-minded society. You don't need to find everything gorgeous (This is one for example I'm not particularly fond of, even though the composition is quite neat.), but you simply can't lock yourself in thinking in a giant box. "People who can't draw" is not the same as "Outsider Art". There's talent and beautiful drawings everywhere as well as ugly things.

Outsider art.

Siding with Orn on this.
Yeah, outsider art was originally used to classify art by the mentally ill and all that, but it has, well be adopted by others who are more or less perfectly mentally capable. These people have diluted the definition to pretty much mean "Anything I can slap together and label as 'ART' is art"

Yes, All beautiful things aren't art, and all art is not beautiful things. (I think thats a quote from someone,) but you gotta draw the line somewhere. It doesn't just stop at just drawing. What about that "Canned Artist's Shit" or that woman who sat on the steps of an art museum and drew really terrible portraits of folks (no really, they were like 5 year kid old drawing) She was mentally healthy, but she called it art and is listed in outsider art sections.

Again, I agree with Orn. Outsider art have become a lable for people to cop out from actually trying to learn skills to make decent art. They go for shock value or just plain stupidity now rather than actually trying. Here is another example of performance "Outsider Art" that just kind of shows the crap that i'm talking about.

I admit, the mind of the mentally ill would be a fascinating place to see, it really would. and when they sometimes do have the ability to place that mind on to paper or canvas or sculpture, it is usually interesting and intriguing. But most of the time outsider art is just hacks who are simply lazy.

At 1/17/13 07:55 AM, Kinsei01 wrote: Here is another example of performance "Outsider Art" that just kind of shows the crap that i'm talking about.

Oh yeah, video is probably Not Safe For Work

The problem is that "outsider art" becomes it's own box. Trained artists are hardly free of obsession and mental instability (trust me), and no "outsiders" truly live in a cultural vaccuum- there's no such thing.

Often the real distinguishing factor ends up being either a) craftsmanship- if your work isn't falling apart and made of untenable materials, clearly you knew what you were doing and are therefor a tool of the establishment and b) sob stories- mental illness, history of abuse, cultural oppression, poverty.
Not saying I don't enjoy Baltimore's Visionary Arts Museum, but the angle it takes is just as pretentious and picky as any fine art gallery.

It is worth noting that while artists do have a higher likeliness of mental illness, we're also better equipped to deal with those illnesses than the general population is.

At 1/17/13 12:44 AM, ornery wrote: "yeah it sucks, but its supposed to, thats the whole point. We are taking the conventions that make everything good in art and since we lack the necessary ability to meet those conventions we are gonna make our own club where bad is good."

You would hate Dadaism where the people with actual talented grouped together to make shit and destroy it on the spot.

At 1/17/13 12:56 PM, Otto wrote: You would hate Dadaism where the people with actual talented grouped together to make shit and destroy it on the spot.

Ornery knows about them, he hates them and everything they stand for.

I think they were a cute necessary evil for awesome things like Monty Python or The Residents to become reality.

At 1/17/13 08:00 AM, Kinsei01 wrote:

At 1/17/13 07:55 AM, Kinsei01 wrote: Here is another example of performance "Outsider Art" that just kind of shows the crap that i'm talking about.

Oh yeah, video is probably Not Safe For Work

I think that video has popped up around here a few times.

Regardless of any misconceptions, I thoroughly enjoy the art of most proper outsider artists. I actually chuckled that Wesley Willis was on Wikipedia's list of outsider artists. I love me some tunes about whoopin Spiderman's ass.

On slightly different note, I am also fascinated with the illustrative works found in Carl Jung's Liber Novus now known as The Red Book. Like most early "Outsider Artists", he would simply illustrate the crazy shit he saw in the state of psychosis. Only thing was, he was a leader in the field of psychotherapy, therefor his "unconscious" was at his control to capture in an organized manner.

Most of you have probably heard about this guy in a psychology class or know him at Freud's pupil. The guy was a pioneer in psychological studies. Being the theorist behind the complex, collective unconsciousness, and even word association. He was also an artist of different sorts. His artistry which I find most interesting as I mentioned before, are the illustrations within The Red Book. This dude would hallucinate and suffer from elaborate illusions depicting apocalyptic-like situations. As someone who had studied the human mind for years, he confronted his psychosis and begun a long series of self examination. He believed the only way to capture his visions and dreams was through symbolic imagery, so he would paint.

:Oh look I'm a supporter now as well hoopydoo

At 1/17/13 11:25 PM, MajesticBob wrote: On a different note...

Everything I just said is irrelevant.

At 1/18/13 12:36 AM, MajesticBob wrote:

At 1/17/13 11:55 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote:

At 1/17/13 11:25 PM, MajesticBob wrote: On a different note...

Everything I just said is irrelevant.

It's ok. I teared up a little the first time I saw it.

I teared up, but not through my eyes.

At 1/18/13 12:47 AM, Captain-Carrion wrote: I teared up, but not through my eyes.

Your tear ducts are broken. Seek medical help.