I've got an idea for gun control.
Outlaw guns.
It's funny how in the "If you don't like America, get out" thread you were ripping Bush for what you deemed to be unconstitutional acts, yet right now you just proposed ACTUALLY doing something entirely contrary to the 2nd amendment, therefore ACTUALLY going against the constitution.
I'm aware that preventing gun ownership is unconstitutional. Its my personal opinion that guns should be outlawed. The difference is Bush impeachs upon constitutional rights without justifiable reason. You think throwing people into Guantanemo Bay without a right to a hearing, Torturing people, spying and impeding upon individual freedom, writing out habeas corpus is comparable to gun ownership? Youre sadly mistaken.
Well I'll go with the earlier argument considering the last post was a puff piece on statistics.
This isn't a fucking math lesson.
And that is why people like you are uneducated enough in the subject to actually say the stupid shit you've been saying.
Funny because I justified that statement below, i wanted to make it simple and concise. If the detractors wanted to argue Gun-Prohibitions weren't stemming violence all they had to do was look at the international statistics to be proven wrong. As opposed to looking at it state by state which is a flawed analysis as i discussed.
i.e if it was an argument about statistics, theyd be mistaken.
Guns kill people. Get rid of guns, you get rid of part of the problem.
1) It's a constitutional right to own guns. Getting rid of legal ownership would void the constitution and negate a founding principle our country.
2) Cars kill people, motorcycles kill people. They kill ALOT more people than guns do in the US so should we get rid of guns too?
I just said yes we should get rid of guns. And no cars and motorcycles kill people but theyre rarely used with the INTENT to kill. key difference. fucking ridicolous analogy buddy.
3) By "getting rid" of guns you're implying banning guns... which wouldn't get rid of guns, it would only get rid of legal ownership, which AS I PROVED prevents more crime than it causes.
No, I'm talking about outlawing guns and removing them. Also, I insinuated that guns werent the only problem. its a culture. USA has the highest per capita rate of murders in the developed world. its a reality buddy. Case in point Australia and the UK had legalised gun control + after banning it, over time gun ownership was reduced, its virtually non-existent and now murder-rates by firearms have reduced - dramatically.
4) We can't force other countries to stop producing guns, we can't prevent all guns from being smuggled into our country. We can't find and destroy all the guns that are in our country right now that are unaccounted for. Therefore "getting rid of guns" will only take them out of the hands of law abiding citizens, while the people who ACTUALLY CAUSE THE GUN VIOLENCE would obey no such law. Gun violence would actually go up because criminals would have defenseless citizens as prey.
Your opinion is gun violence would go up. YOUR OPINION. your opinion is that criminals would go trigger happy. don't present it as irrefutable fact when it is blatantly opinion. For a guy that loves flaming me youre really sucking at it. AGAIN. You cannot prevent guns from being smuggled in completely, but you can try to breed your country out of a trigger-happy culture. You can also reduce the amount of guns easily accesible on the street. As all the said countries have done.
5) For someone who accuses Bush of being Nazi-esque, it's odd for you to support an ENTIRELY intrusive government act, against the constitution, thus preventing the US from maintaining its goal of being a country that cannot be taken over by a tyrant or foreign occupier. You know that every single genocide, every single massive government-sponsored murder, every single totalitarian state in the world enforced gun control before they took power?
Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, New Zealand, UK, Australia. You really think a tyrant is going to rise through the ranks and overtake these countries? NEVER has it happened. This is total horseshit. You know what else tyrants done to rise into power? Impose upon civil rights, breed a culture of zealous patriotism, condemn another country as being pure evil, claim they were divinely right and suggesting anything stated against them was unpatriotic and an inhibor to the cause. Have a guess which country has committed this. USA. Read: fascism
A major argument is "if people in virginia tech had rights to a gun less people would have died". Here's a better one. If a mentally deranged psychopath couldn't acquire a gun in the first place NO people would have died.
Banning guns doesn't mean that the mentally deranged psychopath wouldn't have gotten guns anyway. In fact, STATISTICALLY he was a fluke and STATISTICALLY, if he was denied the purchase he could have and would have gotten a gun through illegal means.
Statistically a fluke? are you stupid? He had EASY access to guns. EASY license. Most people could walk into a gun shop, smile politely, say they were concerned about self-protection, walk out with a gun and some bullets on the very spot or 7 days later. also has it ever occured to you that people get angry? if you have a gun in your hand and you get into a fit of rage you for one second may go out of control and shoot the instigator of said anger. its very probable.
If statistics are significant and you believe its a fluke I'd strongly suggest you make a comparison once again of USA versus non-gun wielding countries. You'll be hard pressed to find any other country with a trigger happy attitude that breeds deranged mass-murderers.
And if someone wants to get statistical then we can look at the murder per capita rate by country.
You provided no link and no context for those statistics...
Nor did you for any of your arguments. Read: Irony. Here I'll provide it now. At the end of the post. I hope you do the same for your ill-formed opinions.
Are you retarded?. Murder rates aren't only indicative of gun ownership. Murder and gun violence can be determined by race, geography, demographics, population density etc... the US has a large amount of minorities (1/3rd of the population) that statistically commit more crime and murder than whites. The US borders Mexico, which is a gigantic smuggler of drugs and guns. The US has a much higher proportion of urban-dwelling people, and MANY other factors that contribute to higher murder rates.
As i said before. Guns are PART of the problem i thought id bolden that text for people like you so you wouldnt miss it. The greater scheme of things is to address these issues as well, but Guns are part of the problem what do you think that bullet comes out of? Demographics?
Gun laws aren't the only determining factor. That is why, in the UK, which has a lower murder rate (due to a lot of variables) when they banned hanguns, handgun crime WENT UP by an exponential margin. How do you explain that then if getting rid of LEGAL gun ownership gets "rid of gun violence" huh? YOU'RE WRONG!
It temporarily spiked. The UK now has a low handgun murder rate. and posts low figures per year. Sadly youre wrong again.
If you actually read the statistics I provided, you would have realized it. But you're so bent on repeating the typical, UNFOUNDED nonsense that people like you do, that you can't even see reality.