HEY AMERICANS...

What happens if you get a weird sickness like meningitis or ... some work related illness from working at the ol' 'finery for years (just recently laid off) and you don't have medical coverage?

Now me I am from another part of the world that has health care (PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE HAS IT) and I can walk into a doctors office if I'm sneezing funny and be served in... 1 hour or so for pretty much anything, for completely free.

Now... I realize the U.S. is 100% free economic policy (capitalism) but how can you put a price on the human dignity of diagnosing and serving a broke ass mofucka such as myself?

Now I don't live in America. Maybe this works for you there I don't know. BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO KNOW IS:

just what exactly would happen if I didn't have health insurance provided by my employer or what if I owned a small business and didn't have health coverage and was in a car accident or something, bla bla bla, JUST WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENS WHEN A POOR ASS MOFO GETS HURT AND CANT PAY?

At 2/27/15 08:52 PM, Cordyceps wrote: If you're bleeding from every orifice or you got hit by a car, its not like they're going to turn you away. You'll get the medical treatment needed and you pay it back afterward.

So if you can't pay?

At 2/27/15 08:52 PM, oneoneoneoneoneone wrote:

At 2/27/15 08:52 PM, Cordyceps wrote: If you're bleeding from every orifice or you got hit by a car, its not like they're going to turn you away. You'll get the medical treatment needed and you pay it back afterward.

So if you can't pay?

Instant, on the spot, whatever way possible, death.

At 2/27/15 08:54 PM, Cordyceps wrote:

At 2/27/15 08:52 PM, oneoneoneoneoneone wrote: So if you can't pay?

They'll take their plasters back and slap you for wasting their time.

OKAY

SAY YOU GOT BEAT UP BAD AND SHOT... Incurred hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical bills. Mistaken identity a gang thought you were someone else.

Then...

Next week you get hit by a car in your wheel chair because the driver couldn't see you over his lifted trucks dash. Thankfully you were ok because he only clipped you and you spun out. But he rebroke your rib cage in the process (more costly medical damages)

BUT NO HEALTH CARE. The week before you walked off the job because your boss was making homosexual advances on you.

WHAT. Happens. To. Your. Life. Then? When the doctor sees you in the ambulance does he go "send him to the next hospital he's a broke ass mofo who already cost us millions" (in a nicer tone obviously like oh we just don't have room... For him)

At 2/27/15 09:24 PM, supergandhi64 wrote: yeah right! you'd take any excuse to write a bunch of words which are usually not even true. troll harder, baka

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I am no Baka. You are the stupid. Stupid Baka.

WHAT. Happens. To. Your. Life. Then? When the doctor sees you in the ambulance does he go "send him to the next hospital he's a broke ass mofo who already cost us millions" (in a nicer tone obviously like oh we just don't have room... For him)

It depends on where you are at but some places might have free clinics, from what I understand a lot of times it's just volunteers and it would work much like your health care does.

There are state funded hospitals that might be best anyway for trauma like you mentioned, gun shots, etc. After 2 years the state might pick up the bill on it but it may show on your credit. If they want to garnish wages then you can pay the minimum, might be a dollar a month even, to keep them from taking your shit.

I think the doctors tend to take the hypocratic oath and won't technically refuse.

Everyone will always and adamantly tell you to go to the hospital no matter what is wrong but honestly I'd just as soon get some penicillin from a pet store, find an alternative or just lay there and see if I die. If someone doesn't tell you how important it is to go seek medical attention for whatever reason then they know a lawyer will find out and immediately sue your ass. I can't count how many times someone said to go see a doc, like it was my last day on earth and like they were the only being capable of handling my salvation or I would probably die and it turned out not to be true.

Western medicine and the cloud of vultures it attracts is sickening..but now I'm going to have to tell you all to go to the hospital immediately, do not delay, just in case, so no one sues my ass. Tell them I said to fuck themselves when you get there.

At 2/27/15 08:52 PM, oneoneoneoneoneone wrote:

At 2/27/15 08:52 PM, Cordyceps wrote: If you're bleeding from every orifice or you got hit by a car, its not like they're going to turn you away. You'll get the medical treatment needed and you pay it back afterward.

So if you can't pay?

You end up with bills out the ass and then whoever you owe pretty much owns you. But then again, I have no insurance and unpaid medical bills and I'm still managing. I'm not sure if, since Obamacare, not having insurance is even legal, but I'm pretty sure your taxes end up being astronomical.

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There is no such thing as "free" healthcare, as that comes out of taxes. Just because you don't pay anything up front doesn't mean that you aren't necessarily paying for it. This is one of the many reasons why socialist programs will never work in America, it's simply too unwieldy and no one wants to foot the massive bill for a system that isn't any better than what we have now.

Plus, paying for a self destructive idiot's healthcare is a viable enough reason why Universal Health Care doesn't work.

I can't pay. Thanks Obama.

At 2/27/15 10:41 PM, orangebomb wrote: There is no such thing as "free" healthcare, as that comes out of taxes. Just because you don't pay anything up front doesn't mean that you aren't necessarily paying for it. This is one of the many reasons why socialist programs will never work in America, it's simply too unwieldy and no one wants to foot the massive bill for a system that isn't any better than what we have now.

Plus, paying for a self destructive idiot's healthcare is a viable enough reason why Universal Health Care doesn't work.

Um, wot?
So lemme get this straight...you're okay with having others foot a massive bill when they get hospitalised (or otherwise) through all/some/no fault of theirs, and having the same bills stuck to you when it happens to you but you're not okay with everyone paying a much smaller amount periodically to prevent this from happening?

Weird country.

At 2/27/15 08:50 PM, oneoneoneoneoneone wrote: HEY AMERICANS...

Hello loser.

What happens if you get a weird sickness like meningitis or ... some work related illness from working at the ol' 'finery for years (just recently laid off) and you don't have medical coverage?

Well either your workplace was forced to give you medical coverage or you bought some from the government.

FACT If you work full-time in America and are a citizen your employer must insure you.

Now me I am from another part of the world that has health care (PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE HAS IT).

Not Africa.

and I can walk into a doctors office if I'm sneezing funny and be served in... 1 hour or so for pretty much anything, for completely free.

If I spend more than twenty minutes in the waiting room, pediatrician or specialist, I get pissed off. Congratulations on your medical assembly line.

Now... I realize the U.S. is 100% free economic policy (capitalism)

No it is not. From the very beginning, it has always been a combination of citizens and government in business.

but how can you put a price on the human dignity of diagnosing and serving a broke ass mofucka such as myself?

You're a fucking scoundrel, and natural selection should have wiped the slate clean on your DNA last century.

Jk America has good Medicare and Medicaid programs, though. I mean people (Republicans) say we are spending too much on the poor right now.

Now I don't live in America. Maybe this works for you there I don't know. BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO KNOW IS:

just what exactly would happen if I didn't have health insurance provided by my employer or what if I owned a small business and didn't have health coverage and was in a car accident or something, bla bla bla, JUST WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENS WHEN A POOR ASS MOFO GETS HURT AND CANT PAY?

Like I said, employers (like real, certified businesses) HAVE to pay insurance. Ra! Socialism! Communism! Ra! Yeah, it's all in there. America is only partially a free market democracy. That's arguably its ideal, but it's never ONLY been that way, ever!

TL;DR -- 'Murica rules. Sorry for all the war.

But why would I want to be a European?

At 2/28/15 04:12 AM, Hydecka wrote: I think the other people replying to this thread did a good job answering your question but I feel like your tone and they way you wrote it implied the way our laws work sometimes is everyone's fault.

"You Americans"

To be far though, you do vote for your elected officials so it could be argued everything in the system is the fault of the voting public.

At 2/28/15 06:50 AM, Hydecka wrote: Our voting is not fair though. Sometimes its very close almost 50%! Which leaves half the country divided into 2 (or close to it)
We also don't get to vote on whether we go to war or not. They just go without a national vote. Its not our fault.
Even if you could use that arguement, its not the people's fault who do want to make change and the right choices, they get overpowered by idiots who don't know any better.

Moral cowardice.

You're either part of the solution or part of the problem.

That's blood on your hands and stammering excuses aren't going to wash it off.

lmao the american income tax rate is higher then canadas, what a bunch of noobs.

At 2/28/15 10:21 AM, Hoodie wrote: "Hey other human! Can I annoy you?"

Yes.

At 2/28/15 01:50 AM, Gimmick wrote: Um, wot?
So lemme get this straight...you're okay with having others foot a massive bill when they get hospitalised (or otherwise) through all/some/no fault of theirs, and having the same bills stuck to you when it happens to you but you're not okay with everyone paying a much smaller amount periodically to prevent this from happening?

No amount of taxes towards socialized medicine is going to stop self destructive idiots from harming/killing themselves, and things like UHC is more or less going to give them a safety net made from our tax dollars. While I completely understand that these people are in the minority, giving them a safety net of free health care via socialist programs is completely backwards.

Weird country.

To have universal healthcare to 320 million people across the board is nothing more than a pipe dream, and would be too unwieldy and give even more control to the government, which gives most people a good reason why UHC will (and should) not work in America.

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At 2/28/15 12:09 PM, orangebomb wrote: While I completely understand that these people are in the minority, giving them a safety net of free health care via socialist programs is completely backwards.

That's like saying "I know that the risk of having a train/plane/car crash is 1 in 100 million which is a minority, but it's still possible so I won't use them to travel."

and give even more control to the government,

How so?

At 2/27/15 09:15 PM, Cordyceps wrote:

At 2/27/15 09:01 PM, oneoneoneoneoneone wrote: WHAT. Happens. To. Your. Life. Then? When the doctor sees you in the ambulance does he go "send him to the next hospital he's a broke ass mofo who already cost us millions" (in a nicer tone obviously like oh we just don't have room... For him)

In that case you'd probably get a big enough settlement in court to make do.

NOPE. He was blasting Taylor swift at max volume and didn't hear/feel/see anything. Weird bump on the road? Ya :( no license plate was nabbed what so ever/whitnesses etc.

At 2/27/15 09:01 PM, oneoneoneoneoneone wrote:
OKAY

SAY YOU GOT BEAT UP BAD AND SHOT... Incurred hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical bills. Mistaken identity a gang thought you were someone else.

Then...

Next week you get hit by a car in your wheel chair because the driver couldn't see you over his lifted trucks dash. Thankfully you were ok because he only clipped you and you spun out. But he rebroke your rib cage in the process (more costly medical damages)

BUT NO HEALTH CARE. The week before you walked off the job because your boss was making homosexual advances on you.

WHAT. Happens. To. Your. Life. Then? When the doctor sees you in the ambulance does he go "send him to the next hospital he's a broke ass mofo who already cost us millions" (in a nicer tone obviously like oh we just don't have room... For him)

In most states it's illegal to not have health care. Doctors care more about saving lives and don't think about the bills until after. This situation would never ever happen.

So from what I understand that medical service is totally dependent on state. You will get charged for a service but you do not have to pay, and your pay CAN be garnished but you can opt for the lowest payments ie basically zero. Weird.

You also have privatized jails. That I think is more fucked. Hospitals counting revenue is fucked alone, but privatizing the jail system? I can't knock it, because I haven't tried or seen it, but to me it's pretty ridiculously stupid from an objective stand point.

http://boingboing.net/2015/02/27/man-gets-life-in-prison-for-se.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

more than once case of judges taking bribes for sentencing people for hard to time (guilty or not) for money.

Some things should be 100% state IMO ??? or what?

At 2/27/15 09:20 PM, 24901miles wrote: Where do you live? Why do you want to know? Why do you ask?

It's a complex answer, I don't really feel like typing many sentences unless my answer is going to do work.

p sure many sentences = 2.345 Joules

PERHAPS profit isn't ALWAYS the answer. As profit only benefits the person profiting, not the whole.

At 3/1/15 03:18 PM, oneoneoneoneoneone wrote: So from what I understand that medical service is totally dependent on state. You will get charged for a service but you do not have to pay, and your pay CAN be garnished but you can opt for the lowest payments ie basically zero. Weird.

Which comes out of taxes, and it doesn't come cheap. That's not including the fact that the cost of having a Western European style healthcare system to 320 million people is simply not feasible unless you want to cut other services and budgets, which few people are willing to advocate for.

You also have privatized jails. That I think is more fucked. Hospitals counting revenue is fucked alone, but privatizing the jail system? I can't knock it, because I haven't tried or seen it, but to me it's pretty ridiculously stupid from an objective stand point.

I don't understand how they are related to each other, but we aren't the only country that does this. Not to mention, the main reason for privatization of prisons is to control costs for the community/state who are in debt, it's either this or cut services that people need, and no one wants to be the one who signs away the garbage removal or road repair to keep the prisons/jail open.

more than once case of judges taking bribes for sentencing people for hard to time (guilty or not) for money.

There are judges who also take bribes to keep people out of jail, even when they were clearly guilty. Though in either case, that's a clear minority.

Some things should be 100% state IMO ??? or what?

Neither of the things you suggest should be ran by the state, it'll just add more debt, higher taxes, and more government control, which only makes the red tape bigger among many other problems. Western Europen countries have these kinds of systems, but they are either realitively small in population, which would make it feasible, or are in crippling debt and are on the verge of being bailed out by the EU, if they haven't already.

At 3/1/15 04:53 PM, orangebomb wrote:

At 3/1/15 03:18 PM, oneoneoneoneoneone wrote: So from what I understand that medical service is totally dependent on state. You will get charged for a service but you do not have to pay, and your pay CAN be garnished but you can opt for the lowest payments ie basically zero. Weird.

Which comes out of taxes, and it doesn't come cheap. That's not including the fact that the cost of having a Western European style healthcare system to 320 million people is simply not feasible unless you want to cut other services and budgets, which few people are willing to advocate for.

You also have privatized jails. That I think is more fucked. Hospitals counting revenue is fucked alone, but privatizing the jail system? I can't knock it, because I haven't tried or seen it, but to me it's pretty ridiculously stupid from an objective stand point.

I don't understand how they are related to each other, but we aren't the only country that does this. Not to mention, the main reason for privatization of prisons is to control costs for the community/state who are in debt, it's either this or cut services that people need, and no one wants to be the one who signs away the garbage removal or road repair to keep the prisons/jail open.

more than once case of judges taking bribes for sentencing people for hard to time (guilty or not) for money.

There are judges who also take bribes to keep people out of jail, even when they were clearly guilty. Though in either case, that's a clear minority.

Some things should be 100% state IMO ??? or what?

Neither of the things you suggest should be ran by the state, it'll just add more debt, higher taxes, and more government control, which only makes the red tape bigger among many other problems. Western Europen countries have these kinds of systems, but they are either realitively small in population, which would make it feasible, or are in crippling debt and are on the verge of being bailed out by the EU, if they haven't already.

I guess that is logical. Although harsh. If you fuck up your taxes get blown to kingdom come, not surprised. Corruption is no good at any level you are right about that...

ive seen the bills though on reddit and so on, they're obscene. Millions. Screwy, very odd system. Either you're working full time or you're risking a great deal. I wonder if businesses have insurance for their employees insurance. I'll assume seniors get automatic health care somewhat because they cannot work full time? What's up with that?

Crazy confusing this all is

The system is harsh. You fuck up you're gonna get taken down pretty bad, pretty much for the rest of your life. Crazy crazy. Stress can be a good thing in the right environment sure, but in the wrong environment it's horrible. I think the state has some level of responsibility to care for its citizens.