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Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-27 13:30:54 Reply

After looking around in the AP and such, I've noticed that there aren't a lot of active reviewers. IMO, it shouldn't take that long to review a few songs with a few helpful suggestions.

Maybe that is what other new artists need. They follow older artists as an example and they will notice that nobody actively reviews. Then they will do the same. However, if all of us just reviews a couple songs per day, the community would be much stronger for the new folks.

I'm not an experienced member on this site so that's probably why I don't mind reviewing stuff at the moment, and I am in no position to tell people what to do since I'm new here, but I hope this post will help pump up other members to start reviewing again.

Thoughts?

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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-27 13:55:08 Reply

Reviews aren't all that common around here unfortunately. You need to build up a good fanbase to get reviews, or have your song frontpaged or something. Reason being that the Audio Portal isn't such a big community. There are plenty of people who just post their music and maybe a newspost here and there, but few are the ones who post their music, review other music, post in the forums, and actively take part in the community.

There isn't much motivation to review other than doing it as a kind gesture or to get a review back in return. Clubs like the Review Request Club try to help, but one club consisting of a handful of members can only go so far.

However, being motivated to review like you are is certainly a great attitude and I wish more people had that attitude.


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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-27 14:15:31 Reply

The AP has not changed for many years and is not about to change if ever. Sometimes if you want a review, you just need to ask for one...and not in your song description. PM is much more personal. Since the common age group in the AP is of the young teens, you may have to find another place to go to find more constructive reviews. If anything, I find one constructive review is better than a hundred one liner reviews.

At 1/27/13 01:55 PM, Step wrote: Reviews aren't all that common around here unfortunately. You need to build up a good fanbase to get reviews, or have your song frontpaged or something. Reason being that the Audio Portal isn't such a big community. There are plenty of people who just post their music and maybe a newspost here and there, but few are the ones who post their music, review other music, post in the forums, and actively take part in the community.

There isn't much motivation to review other than doing it as a kind gesture or to get a review back in return. Clubs like the Review Request Club try to help, but one club consisting of a handful of members can only go so far.

However, being motivated to review like you are is certainly a great attitude and I wish more people had that attitude.

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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-27 14:28:20 Reply

At 1/27/13 02:15 PM, Music-story wrote:

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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-27 16:45:01 Reply

At 1/27/13 02:15 PM, Music-story wrote: The AP has not changed for many years and is not about to change if ever. Sometimes if you want a review, you just need to ask for one...and not in your song description. PM is much more personal.

I feel like that will just annoy them. If you just review often they will come back to you eventually.

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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-27 17:59:35 Reply

You need to build up a good fanbase to get reviews, or have your song frontpaged or something.

One of my songs has been on the page for a few days now and i've seen 0 more reviews. Just no one reviews songs any more. And as to OP, it doesn't matter if you think you are good enough to review. You dont have to tell some one what is wrong to leave a review. You can simply tell people what you liked or what stuck out in that song. Something that you listend to that would make you want to listen to more or that made it unique. Good information about what made a song good is as powerful as what makes a song bad. If you scroll down through the forum posts here and find SonicJ, he has an amazing house of information on this subject.

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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-27 19:47:43 Reply

I ate them.


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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-27 19:51:54 Reply

At 1/27/13 07:47 PM, sweet21 wrote: I ate them.

You fatty! D:

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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-27 20:42:57 Reply

At 1/27/13 07:47 PM, sweet21 wrote: I ate them.

Mommy, I'm scared :'(

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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-27 20:57:48 Reply

At 1/27/13 07:47 PM, sweet21 wrote: I ate them.

Pfft. Step and I are still here. What are you talking about?


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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-27 21:30:05 Reply

At 1/27/13 01:30 PM, Rhoder wrote: After looking around in the AP and such, I've noticed that there aren't a lot of active reviewers. IMO, it shouldn't take that long to review a few songs with a few helpful suggestions.

Maybe that is what other new artists need. They follow older artists as an example and they will notice that nobody actively reviews. Then they will do the same. However, if all of us just reviews a couple songs per day, the community would be much stronger for the new folks.

I'm not an experienced member on this site so that's probably why I don't mind reviewing stuff at the moment, and I am in no position to tell people what to do since I'm new here, but I hope this post will help pump up other members to start reviewing again.

Thoughts?

I feel the same way. I've been trying to listen and review a few songs a day myself. We all need some form of constructive criticism not just a pat on the back to ignore the issues no matter how small they may be. Because that's what we're here for, to get better. If I wanted to make music to only get praise in return, I'd just show it to my mom. I hope to improve from any advice that I may receive from this community.

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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-27 22:05:12 Reply

i review tons - i would say that once most of the active people on here get a big fanbase and see their stuff on the front page etc.. they no longer care to take a look at anyone's stuff. sad but true (notice i said "most").


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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-27 22:49:32 Reply

At 1/27/13 10:05 PM, DoxOfficial wrote: i review tons - i would say that once most of the active people on here get a big fanbase and see their stuff on the front page etc.. they no longer care to take a look at anyone's stuff. sad but true (notice i said "most").

laziness at its finest.

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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-27 23:48:44 Reply

At 1/27/13 10:05 PM, DoxOfficial wrote: i review tons - i would say that once most of the active people on here get a big fanbase and see their stuff on the front page etc.. they no longer care to take a look at anyone's stuff. sad but true (notice i said "most").

It's sadly true, i rarely see many of the popular artists review much of anything.

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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-28 08:10:35 Reply

I made a thread shortly before this one with the same exact subject matter and how we would improve the situation
right here . You (all of newgrounds) ARE the reviewer. The community is and always was the reviewer. A lot of people upload music and choose not to review other people songs. These same people end up soliciting their own music as well. Neither actions contribute.

Imagine, if you will, Newgrounds audio portal reviews are an imaginary Ng currency. We have this Audio portal bank, and there are people willing to hand out Ng currency (reviews). Well, long story short, a lot of people stick their hands out for reviews, and don't put anything back in the back in them selves. Too many people, infact.

There is not a review crew that spends the day only perusing NG audio for reviewing purposes, that is a contribution everyone should make.


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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-30 00:18:18 Reply

At 1/28/13 08:10 AM, SonicJ wrote: There is not a review crew that spends the day only perusing NG audio for reviewing purposes, that is a contribution everyone should make.

I know I review :) can't change anyone but myself.


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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-30 02:40:13 Reply

I review stuff every now and then, but a lot of people simply don't put any effort in "selling" their music: the descriptions are often short and non-informative, and / or they just dump their song in the Audio Advertisements Thread without putting some effort in the post itself. If you (meaning folks in general) want your stuff reviewed, be a nice guy and make it atleast somewhat appealing to do so: writing good reviews takes both effort and time from the reviewer's side as well.


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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-30 12:36:11 Reply

At 1/30/13 02:40 AM, EagleGuard wrote: I review stuff every now and then...

This guy's reviews are incredible. :D


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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-30 15:36:47 Reply

I enjoy reviewing pieces that leave an impact on me.

Video game, menu, loading screen, or looping pieces (techno I'm okay with occasionally) are ones that do not impact me so much; there seems to be more of these than anything else in the A.P..

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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-30 17:08:16 Reply

At 1/30/13 03:36 PM, FooRight wrote:
Video game, menu, loading screen, or looping pieces (techno I'm okay with occasionally) are ones that do not impact me so much; there seems to be more of these than anything else in the A.P..

Look at the demographics of NG and that should explain it.


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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-30 17:11:53 Reply

At 1/30/13 05:08 PM, Envy wrote: Look at the demographics of NG and that should explain it.

It's not an explanation I myself am looking for, but is one that those who made this thread need to know about to stop the confusion of "Where are the reviewers?"

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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-30 22:10:52 Reply

Personally I would review a lot more if I thought I was qualified to criticize some of the excellent material on here. I'm still learning the ropes myself and I've been absent quite a lot. I guess since you brought up this thread however I could muster up a few reviews.


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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-30 22:42:09 Reply

At 1/30/13 10:10 PM, Mushraven wrote: Personally I would review a lot more if I thought I was qualified to criticize some of the excellent material on here. I'm still learning the ropes myself and I've been absent quite a lot. I guess since you brought up this thread however I could muster up a few reviews.

Hey! Don't worry, reviewing helps you learn, actually. Besides, commenting on what you like is as important as what you don't like.

To be honest, I reviewed a ton before I actually was very good... it helped me get some friends AND taught me to understand what I used more deeply! :)


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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-31 00:44:55 Reply

When I first started out posting music on newgrounds in 2008, I used to receive decent number of reviews per song with no name recognition, it gradually dropped down over the years, and then suddenly after the redesign they almost died out completely.


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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-31 01:01:29 Reply

At 1/31/13 12:44 AM, krssvr wrote: When I first started out posting music on newgrounds in 2008, I used to receive decent number of reviews per song with no name recognition, it gradually dropped down over the years, and then suddenly after the redesign they almost died out completely.

maybe it was the redesign then?

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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-31 01:20:31 Reply

At 1/27/13 10:05 PM, DoxOfficial wrote: i review tons - i would say that once most of the active people on here get a big fanbase and see their stuff on the front page etc.. they no longer care to take a look at anyone's stuff. sad but true (notice i said "most").

I never cared to look at anyone's stuff. Is a perk of not taking my anti-psychotics.

I'll review on request sometimes though.

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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-31 04:33:12 Reply

At 1/30/13 12:36 PM, Ectohelix wrote: This guy's reviews are incredible. :D

Ha, you flatter me! Anyway, as has been suggested before on this forum, perhaps we need some kind of positive reinforcement / reward system to motivate people to leave more reviews?


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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-31 07:54:52 Reply

Thing is, enforcement isn't necessarily going to move anyone to leave a review. If anything, it'll turn them off from reviewing completely. Reviews are meant to be what they're meant to be -- voluntary, out of the listener's ears and heart/mind.

Someone suggested in the Audio Adverts thread once that for every piece of audio we submit, we review five before us. Now granted, some of us are less versed in some genres (I wouldn't review hip-hop or dubstep, for example), but we can at least try to look back and tackle what we know, and if need be, look further back. I've taken up that idea ever since.

If everyone did this, then we'd have loads of reviews in no time.


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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-31 08:15:23 Reply

At 1/27/13 01:30 PM, Rhoder wrote: After looking around in the AP and such, I've noticed that there aren't a lot of active reviewers.

But...but...I'm still around...I was part of the RRC a long time ago...

IMO, it shouldn't take that long to review a few songs with a few helpful suggestions.

For me, it takes 20~30 minutes to write a review because I keep re-reading my review in search of misunderstandings and stuff like that, so I don't review that often.

However, if all of us just reviews a couple songs per day, the community would be much stronger for the new folks.

Not everyone has the spare time to review, especially if they intend to provide long, constructive criticism and not one-line reviews.

Honestly, I would have over 300 reviews if I kept on one-line 'reviewing'.

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Response to Where are the reviewers? 2013-01-31 09:09:24 Reply

At 1/31/13 07:54 AM, TroisNyxEtienne wrote: Thing is, enforcement isn't necessarily going to move anyone to leave a review.

Not enforcement, but reinforcement, meaning we reward people for leaving good reviews. For example, if the creator rates a review as 'helpful', then the one that left that review might get more voting power in return. Another idea is to have awards like 'reviewer of the month'.


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