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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-02-01 07:31:30 Reply

At 2/1/13 06:44 AM, TheMaster wrote: Didn't know the complete ones were in just in sleeves. They're the worst.

The complete series box sets are considered "budget" sets. I suppose they are a fair bit cheaper than buying all the individual series but it does mean you have to tolerate the cardboard sleeves. They do leave surface scratches on the discs when you first pull them out but I went through the entire original series with no effect on the playback. We're talking very minor surface scratches.

Next Generation has been a bit different. Each disc usually freezes for a few seconds at least (usually at most) once. So you basically have to put up with the disc freezing for a few seconds once every 4 episodes or something. Although I'm not convinced that's due to the scratches because some of these discs don't even have scratches. Part of me wants to blame my Xbox, which I'm using as the player. Next time I'll watch a disc on my PC and see if that makes a difference. It also seems like little specks of paint, or whatever you want to call it, from the cardboard sleeves end up on the disc. That might be the case. In which case I'd just need to wipe them down a little. It's a tad annoying but it's not enough for it to ruin the experience.

But yea, I'd much rather have them in the slim DVD cases.

Here's how the cardboard sleeves look. They hold 8 discs at most. In the picture, discs 1-4 are still folded over just so I could fit it in the shot. I reckon if people just carelessly yank the discs out, it could cause damage but since I bought these knowing about the potential damage to discs, I've tried to be careful with them. I'm actually tempted to remove all the discs and store them in something else, but that'd be a bit of a pain.

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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-02-01 07:35:43 Reply

At 2/1/13 06:47 AM, TheMaster wrote: Oh, and regarding the TNG films

So really, with the exception of Generations, I should be avoiding these until after I've gone through DS9 or is that just how they fit in with the timeline? Unless they make strong references to the TV series or wont make sense until I've seen so much of DS9, I'll probably just watch them after I'm done with TNG. Unless you think I should hold off until later. Right now I'm more interested in the TOS films anyway.


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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-02-01 11:06:33 Reply

At 2/1/13 07:31 AM, Dean wrote: The complete series box sets are considered "budget" sets. I suppose they are a fair bit cheaper than buying all the individual series but it does mean you have to tolerate the cardboard sleeves.

When I bought my individual ones they were considered the budget version. The old complete sets were out of print, the current ones weren't out yet, and there had been fancier individual box sets too. Paid about £15 per season for the lot, which isn't too bad.

My TOS sets are the original ones, in the big plastic cases, because they hadn't had their budget rerelease when I got them. Their discs are in a CD case size plastic book, where each page is like a normal CD case.

I think I'll probably be waiting for the inevitable Blu-ray budget rereleases before upgrading, too. The current ones are so expensive, even TOS which has been out for ages.


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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-02-01 11:09:54 Reply

At 2/1/13 07:35 AM, Dean wrote:
At 2/1/13 06:47 AM, TheMaster wrote: Oh, and regarding the TNG films
So really, with the exception of Generations, I should be avoiding these until after I've gone through DS9 or is that just how they fit in with the timeline? Unless they make strong references to the TV series or wont make sense until I've seen so much of DS9, I'll probably just watch them after I'm done with TNG. Unless you think I should hold off until later. Right now I'm more interested in the TOS films anyway.

It's not a big deal. It's basically just a case of them contriving some reason for Worf to be away from DS9 so he can link up with the Enterprise crew at the start of each film. They don't link into the plot of it or anything like that.

Janeway's bit is just a cameo, too. She's gives Picard his orders at one point. No references to Voyager beyond her actually being there.


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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-02-01 19:03:28 Reply

I watched the first film and thought it was pretty average. It really felt like they were just showcasing their bigger budget and ability to use special effects. The plot felt rather dragged out too. That could have easily been achieved an a single episode rather than a film. Still, I'm aware that most people seem to consider the odd numbered films as being less impressive than the evenly numbered films. I'll get on Wrath of Khan tomorrow, hopefully.

I know in the last few posts I moaned about Amazon's current asking price for Voyager, but part of me just wants to order Voyager and Enterprise so that I have all the live action TV series. For the two of them though, it'd cost me about £130 which is about what I paid for TNG and DS9. I can't help feel as though that's a bit much, especially given that Enterprise isn't very highly regarded, but I still feel like I need to get them to be complete. Then I think that'd just leave me needing the animated series and the 2009 film. The new film is due out in a few months too, right? I'll probably go and see that at the cinema.

As much as I love Star Trek, it hasn't been cheap. To think that I only started watching in December and I've already got myself TOS, TNG, DS9 and the 10 films. Worth it though I reckon.


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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-02-01 20:53:35 Reply

At 2/1/13 07:03 PM, Dean wrote: I watched the first film and thought it was pretty average. It really felt like they were just showcasing their bigger budget and ability to use special effects. The plot felt rather dragged out too. That could have easily been achieved an a single episode rather than a film. Still, I'm aware that most people seem to consider the odd numbered films as being less impressive than the evenly numbered films. I'll get on Wrath of Khan tomorrow, hopefully.

I wasn't hugely impressed with TMP the first time I saw it, but it's definitely grown on me over time. Khan is an immense step up and probably the best bit of the entire Trek franchise.

The odd/even really doesn't hold up either. 3 is perfectly okay and just happens to be sandwiched between two excellent films, 10 is shit, and I while 8 is fine it isn't in the same league as 2, 3, 4 and 6.

I know in the last few posts I moaned about Amazon's current asking price for Voyager, but part of me just wants to order Voyager and Enterprise so that I have all the live action TV series. For the two of them though, it'd cost me about Ã'£130 which is about what I paid for TNG and DS9. I can't help feel as though that's a bit much, especially given that Enterprise isn't very highly regarded, but I still feel like I need to get them to be complete. Then I think that'd just leave me needing the animated series and the 2009 film. The new film is due out in a few months too, right? I'll probably go and see that at the cinema.

Enterprise is a hell of a lot better than Voyager, in my opinion. Especially season 4. Into Darkness is out in May, and I'm not very hopeful based on the trailers. Will still definitely see it, though.


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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-02-02 17:33:45 Reply

At 2/1/13 08:53 PM, TheMaster wrote: I wasn't hugely impressed with TMP the first time I saw it, but it's definitely grown on me over time. Khan is an immense step up and probably the best bit of the entire Trek franchise.

The Wrath of Khan was most definitely a set up. A big one. I just felt a whole lot more professional. There was no messing about with excessive display of special effects and it just felt like an overall much better film. Even though I know that we've still not seen the last of Spock, the ending was a little sad. If I was watching that film in the cinema back then, I'd have been gutted that they killed off Spock!

Enterprise is a hell of a lot better than Voyager, in my opinion. Especially season 4. Into Darkness is out in May, and I'm not very hopeful based on the trailers. Will still definitely see it, though.

I'm a little surprised to hear you say that. I think most opinions that I've read consider Enterprise to bad or they only consider season 4 to be good and wish all the seasons were more like that. I suppose a lot of people would have just dismissed it before getting to season 4 though. I'd still like to see it eventually.


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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-02-02 18:15:24 Reply

At 2/2/13 05:33 PM, Dean wrote: I'm a little surprised to hear you say that. I think most opinions that I've read consider Enterprise to bad or they only consider season 4 to be good and wish all the seasons were more like that. I suppose a lot of people would have just dismissed it before getting to season 4 though. I'd still like to see it eventually.

Really? I always got the impression Voyager was the most despised series. At worst Enterprise is boring, Voyager causes physical pain.


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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-02-03 13:26:09 Reply

At 2/2/13 06:15 PM, TheMaster wrote:
At 2/2/13 05:33 PM, Dean wrote: I'm a little surprised to hear you say that. I think most opinions that I've read consider Enterprise to bad or they only consider season 4 to be good and wish all the seasons were more like that. I suppose a lot of people would have just dismissed it before getting to season 4 though. I'd still like to see it eventually.
Really? I always got the impression Voyager was the most despised series. At worst Enterprise is boring, Voyager causes physical pain.

Enterprise Season 2 is the worst season of any of the franchises, though the series got WAY better with seasons 3 and 4. Voyager didn't reach quite the lows of that one season of Enterprise, but on the whole it was more disappointing. That's my two cents ;)

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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-02-03 13:35:29 Reply

Speaking of Voyager hate, if you want to hear the funniest Star Trek discussion you've ever heard, check out this old episode of Gamewank. It's the off-topic outtakes from a video games show.

http://gamewank.com/2009/11/gamewank-unheard-shenanigans-off -cuts-clip-show/

There's other stuff in there too, but there's 3 clips where they talk about Star Trek. One directed at Abrams Trek, and two at Voyager, all hilarious.


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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-02-09 11:41:53 Reply

Caught half of an episode of Enterprise on TV yesterday, the first Augment one.

Fuck I wish this show had gotten the full 7 seasons it deserved. There's so much to like despite the flaws.


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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-02-11 23:29:10 Reply

Abrams can't direct movies in general, nevermind Trek movies. :P

IMHO, they should try and get Nicholas Meyer to do another one. A nitty gritty Trek movie but without cheesy sex and action scenes would be a welcome return IMO

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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-02-11 23:38:18 Reply

At 1/23/13 10:05 PM, Frenzy wrote: Alright, what's everyone favourite Star Trek episode of all time?

I know I'm late ot this, but heck this is a slow moving thread anyways :P

"The Inner Light"

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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-02-12 08:05:00 Reply

At 2/11/13 11:29 PM, BrokenDeck wrote: Abrams can't direct movies in general, nevermind Trek movies. :P

IMHO, they should try and get Nicholas Meyer to do another one. A nitty gritty Trek movie but without cheesy sex and action scenes would be a welcome return IMO

Duncan Jones would be my first pick for a Trek director. He's probably the best sci-fi writer/director currently working.


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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-03-03 12:30:04 Reply

Today would have been James Doohan's 93rd birthday. He seemed like a pretty nice guy.


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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-03-03 13:55:49 Reply

I've been rewatching season 5 of TNG.

One of the most consistently brilliant seasons of TV ever. Every episode is great.


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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-03-04 22:46:55 Reply

At 3/3/13 01:55 PM, TheMaster wrote: I've been rewatching season 5 of TNG.

One of the most consistently brilliant seasons of TV ever. Every episode is great.

Definitely. Though I would probably say that The Best of Both World, Part 1, then Part 2, then Family, was the best three episode stretch of TNG. Then again, I haven't watched all the episodes in a while.

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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-03-18 09:56:19 Reply

At 3/3/13 01:55 PM, TheMaster wrote: I've been rewatching season 5 of TNG.

I got back to watching some Star Trek again over the last few days. Been a while since I last watched any. I'm on season 5 of TNG now. Just got done with both parts of Unification. I was nice to see an episode featuring Spock in TNG.

I also got done with the TOS films as well. I rather enjoyed The Undiscovered Country. I'll probably get started on the TNG movies once I've finished with the TV series. I'm quite keen to get started on DS9 too, but it'll probably take me a while before I'm done with TNG.


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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-03-18 14:52:09 Reply

At 3/18/13 09:56 AM, Dean wrote: I also got done with the TOS films as well. I rather enjoyed The Undiscovered Country. I'll probably get started on the TNG movies once I've finished with the TV series. I'm quite keen to get started on DS9 too, but it'll probably take me a while before I'm done with TNG.

Reportedly, Gene wasn't too happy with ST6:TUC because of a) blatant racism (in this case Speciesism towards the Klingons), and b) top Starfleet officials in a conspiracy to murder. These were the sort of things that in his vision of the 23rd century that mankind would have evolved beyond.

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At 3/18/13 02:52 PM, BrokenDeck wrote: Reportedly, Gene wasn't too happy with ST6:TUC because of a) blatant racism (in this case Speciesism towards the Klingons), and b) top Starfleet officials in a conspiracy to murder. These were the sort of things that in his vision of the 23rd century that mankind would have evolved beyond.

I think this is one of the biggest controversies among Star Trek fans. How important is it for Trek to stay true of Roddenberry's vision? Section 31 and the Dominion War made for great TV, but they would never have been featured had Roddenberry still been at the helm.


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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-03-21 16:11:04 Reply

Season 5 has been great so far, until I hit Cause And Effect. Wasn't such a fan of that episode. I mean the concept was kinda cool but having to watch a very similar series of events unfold 4 times got a bit much for me. Although maybe it achieved the desired effect because I kinda felt like I was stuck in a time loop and just wanted it to be over.


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Response to Star Trek Crew 2013-03-25 11:01:27 Reply

Got a copy of Star Trek (2009) off of eBay for £3. I've already seen it a few times and I actually went to see it at the cinema when it was released, despite me not being into Star Trek at all back then. Anyway, since Into Darkness isn't all that far away, I thought I better give the 2009 film another watch.

Into Darkness is the first film I've actually been excited to see in a while. Excited is maybe too strong a word but I'm pretty certain I'll actually make the effort to go and see this at the cinema when it's released. I never go to the cinema any more.

That also means I now have all the Star Trek movies on DVD. Still keen to get a hold of the complete Voyager and Enterprise box sets eventually but I'm not sure when that'll happen.


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At 3/25/13 11:01 AM, Dean wrote: Got a copy of Star Trek (2009) off of eBay for Ã'£3. I've already seen it a few times and I actually went to see it at the cinema when it was released, despite me not being into Star Trek at all back then. Anyway, since Into Darkness isn't all that far away, I thought I better give the 2009 film another watch.

Good plan. I thought it was great, though many hardcore fans hated the "modernization" aspect of it.

Into Darkness is the first film I've actually been excited to see in a while. Excited is maybe too strong a word but I'm pretty certain I'll actually make the effort to go and see this at the cinema when it's released. I never go to the cinema any more.

I can't wait, either. I'm hoping Benedict Cumberbatch is Gary Mitchell, and that other name they gave him is just a cover-up.


That also means I now have all the Star Trek movies on DVD. Still keen to get a hold of the complete Voyager and Enterprise box sets eventually but I'm not sure when that'll happen.

They're the two weakest series' overall, but both have very good episodes. Enterprise really picks up in quality with season 3-4.

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At 4/3/13 12:24 AM, Frenzy wrote: Good plan. I thought it was great, though many hardcore fans hated the "modernization" aspect of it.

I can see what they mean I suppose but I don't think the modernisation had a bad effect at all. It was definitely one of the better Star Trek films I've seen.

They're the two weakest series' overall, but both have very good episodes. Enterprise really picks up in quality with season 3-4.

So I've been told, but I think for the sake of completeness I'd still like to see them eventually. I suppose there's still the animated series too, but I'm not too fussed about that. Currently I'm making slow progress through season 6 of TNG. I'd be getting through it a lot faster if I wasn't back to playing video games. I'm actually looking forward to being done with TNG because I really want to see what DS9 is like but I wont be starting on it until I get TNG out of the way.


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The new Star Trek movie comes out soon... excited?

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Saw Into Darkness today.

Such a disappointment. There's some great ideas in there, but they try to cram too much in. Nothing get developed in any depth and instead it just keeps cutting away to action scenes that always seem to just out stay their welcome. It's really quite frustrating. If the film had been more focussed it could have been incredible. Performances are great all around, so much so I'd kill for a TV series with these guys playing these characters just to give them more room to breathe.


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At 5/10/13 03:29 PM, TheMaster wrote: Saw Into Darkness today.

Such a disappointment.

I've still not been to see it yet, but I'm considering it. Alternatively, I'll just wait for it to be released on DVD. I forgot how expensive the cinema has gotten these days. Wouldn't be surprised if I could get the DVD with that money when its released.

Anyway, I just for to the end of TNG. Still have the TNG films to watch but it's sad in a sense, knowing that I'll be saying goodbye to Picard and crew. Quite excited to move on to DS9 though.


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At 5/10/13 03:29 PM, TheMaster wrote: Saw Into Darkness today.

Such a disappointment. There's some great ideas in there, but they try to cram too much in. Nothing get developed in any depth and instead it just keeps cutting away to action scenes that always seem to just out stay their welcome. It's really quite frustrating. If the film had been more focussed it could have been incredible.

Nooo, don't say that! I'm really hoping this will be great. I shall keep my hopes up.

At 5/13/13 09:00 PM, Dean wrote: Anyway, I just for to the end of TNG. Still have the TNG films to watch but it's sad in a sense, knowing that I'll be saying goodbye to Picard and crew. Quite excited to move on to DS9 though.

DS9 is probably the best overall "series" in all of Star Trek-great continuity between episodes, overarching themes, etc. You'll enjoy it, I think!

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At 5/13/13 10:17 PM, Frenzy wrote: Nooo, don't say that! I'm really hoping this will be great. I shall keep my hopes up.

There's definitely enough to enjoy in there. Some really spectacular action sequences and as I said the characters are all great, but it's incredibly frustrating because the final product is less than the sum of it's parts. It could have been incredible, as it is it's just sort of okay.


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I think First Contact is probably up there as one of my favourite Star Trek films. Just got done watching it and it was pretty good. That just leaves me with Insurrection and Nemesis but seeing as I've already seen Insurrection a couple times in the past, I think I'll skip it for now. I'll get Nemesis watched tonight and then hopefully get started on DS9 tomorrow.

Hopefully by the time I'm nearing the end of DS9 I'll be employed and able to get the complete Voyager set bought.


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