This petition will help stop tax-payer funding to Planned Parenthood. I just signed it, it's a good cause.
http://www.stopplann..thoodtaxfunding.com/

Even if you support abortion, would you really want your tax dollars going to fund it?

At 4/30/06 05:50 AM, Redbob86 wrote: This petition will help stop tax-payer funding to Planned Parenthood. I just signed it, it's a good cause.
http://www.stopplann..thoodtaxfunding.com/


Even if you support abortion, would you really want your tax dollars going to fund it?

They provide free condoms, preventative shots to certain STDs, treatment, couseling, and other things--

Yes.
Let's take those too...

But I will sign this because I like to see a girl die with a wire stuck in her vagina in her house instead of a clean office. But whatever--

They provide free condoms, preventative shots to certain STDs, treatment, couseling, and other things--

Yes.
Let's take those too...

But I will sign this because I like to see a girl die with a wire stuck in her vagina in her house instead of a clean office. But whatever--

Planned Parenthood makes millions of dollars a year on abortion alone. Do you honestly think they will take serious efforts to prevent that from happening? You can get condems and vaccinations elsewhere. And that "treatment" is counseling after they abort your kid, taking advantage of your emotional state to ensure you they did nothing wrong.

And about the wire-hanger remark, do you not think behavior won't change when new actions are taken? It's a simple matter of giving the baby up for adoption. I recomend callings in advance to organizations such as The Cradle.

But then again, fli, I can't expect much from you. After all, you are extremely biased and are one of the few people I have ever met that actually WANT Hillary Clinton to be president.

You want planned parenting to end then you need to spread the word of Buddha, it is the only way that will actually work.

I'll sign this petition right after I invest some money into back alley real estate and buy stock in wire coathanger manufacturers.

I'd sign this thing, but I believe you have to be eighteen. I've always been somewhat pro-choice, however, this is a huge waste of tax dollars. And liberals are bitching about how we're running up a debt.

free condoms, treatment and help for people who need it...ya i'm not signing

At 4/30/06 05:50 AM, Redbob86 wrote: Even if you support abortion, would you really want your tax dollars going to fund it?

As long as people don't go to back alley 'abortionists,' then, yes. As it's been said (by Fli), I'd rather let women have a safe abortions than die by sticking a rusty hanger inside themselves.

I mean sure, you'd expect it to back up he claim "Planned Parenthood pushes pornography onto children with shocking and offensive websites, books, and literature", but whatever.

At 4/30/06 05:57 AM, fli wrote: But I will sign this because I like to see a girl die with a wire stuck in her vagina in her house instead of a clean office. But whatever--

Yes, it's much better to die in an office with a wire in your vagina.

At 4/30/06 12:25 PM, LordXanthus wrote:

Yes, it's much better to die in an office with a wire in your vagina.

...

At 4/30/06 11:54 AM, GunCrave wrote: I'd sign this thing, but I believe you have to be eighteen. I've always been somewhat pro-choice, however, this is a huge waste of tax dollars. And liberals are bitching about how we're running up a debt.

Us liberals complain about debt being run up through no bid contracts, wars with specious evidence, and a military budget equivalent to the rest of the planets combined. Spending the money on something useful is low on my budget bitch list.

Sorry, not signing the petition.

You know whats a choice, sex is a choice. And if you choose to have sex you could alway choose to wear a condom, and if you choose to wear a condemn and you still get pregnant you could choose to put the baby up for adoption. And that is where choice should end. At no point should anyone have the option to take someone elses life, I don't care if their scared to tell their parents, that is not nearly a decent excuse to commit murder. It's a babies life, not a mothers choice. It's just plain murder.

At 4/30/06 06:03 AM, Redbob86 wrote: But then again, fli, I can't expect much from you. After all, you are extremely biased and are one of the few people I have ever met that actually WANT Hillary Clinton to be president.

You act very naive--
Just because adoption is an option and abortion becomes illegalize doesn't mean that abortion won't happen. Look at the nations with the same policies-- Mexico is right under us.

Girls die secretly from gangrene and other nasty sorts--
because they are forced to do things dangerously instead of a safer way.

I don't support abortion, but if it's a matter of a woman's health-- I prefer the abortion to be in a doctor's (or health provider's) office instead their homes or pseudo-abortion clinics.

But at least you didn't write pages ontop of pages of otherwise normally-- very trite and boring reading.

At 4/30/06 03:21 PM, fli wrote:

At 4/30/06 06:03 AM, Redbob86 wrote: But then again, fli, I can't expect much from you. After all, you are extremely biased and are one of the few people I have ever met that actually WANT Hillary Clinton to be president.

You act very naive--
Just because adoption is an option and abortion becomes illegalize doesn't mean that abortion won't happen. Look at the nations with the same policies-- Mexico is right under us.

Just because murder is illegal doesn't mean it won't happen either. Should we legalize murder to prevent people from duying from stray bullets or misfires.

Girls die secretly from gangrene and other nasty sorts--
because they are forced to do things dangerously instead of a safer way.

Someone walks into their home and forces them to have an abortion, news to me.

I don't support abortion, but if it's a matter of a woman's health-- I prefer the abortion to be in a doctor's (or health provider's) office instead their homes or pseudo-abortion clinics.

You got me there.

At 4/30/06 03:24 PM, The_Tank wrote: Just because murder is illegal doesn't mean it won't happen either. Should we legalize murder to prevent people from duying from stray bullets or misfires.

Just because cheese is illegal doesn't mean it won't happen either... Should we legalize cheese to prevent people from duying from stray deliciousness or satisfaction?

C'mon--
This false analogy was much more better just because it's wittier...
Anyways-- BACK on the issue to abortion.

Girls die secretly from gangrene and other nasty sorts--
because they are forced to do things dangerously instead of a safer way.

Someone walks into their home and forces them to have an abortion, news to me.

My god--
"because they force themselves to take dangerous abortion options instead of safer alternatives."
Just... my god--

I don't support abortion, but if it's a matter of a woman's health-- I prefer the abortion to be in a doctor's (or health provider's) office instead their homes or pseudo-abortion clinics.

You got me there.

You don't understand what?
People are able to perform abortions? Even if illegal?

It's as simple as eating wild Queen Ann's lace (found abundantly growing everywhere in the United States) and drinking a tea from its flowers.

And then... there's the other more gruesome ways--

At 4/30/06 03:42 PM, fli wrote:

At 4/30/06 03:24 PM, The_Tank wrote: Just because murder is illegal doesn't mean it won't happen either. Should we legalize murder to prevent people from duying from stray bullets or misfires.

Just because cheese is illegal doesn't mean it won't happen either... Should we legalize cheese to prevent people from duying from stray deliciousness or satisfaction?

Abortion is murder. If women occasionaly die from commiting abortion illegaly that does suck, but not any worse than millions of babies being murdered legaly.

C'mon--
This false analogy was much more better just because it's wittier...
Anyways-- BACK on the issue to abortion.

Your analogy sucked. And I kinda like you so don't take that personaly.

Girls die secretly from gangrene and other nasty sorts--
because they are forced to do things dangerously instead of a safer way.

Someone walks into their home and forces them to have an abortion, news to me.

My god--
"because they force themselves to take dangerous abortion options instead of safer alternatives."
Just... my god--

They are not forced to commit abortion, it is not a legal mandate that they abort their child so why should they feel forced to do it. For one reason or another they WANT to do it, and I don't approve of this when they could just as easily choose adoption and then no one would have to die.

I don't support abortion, but if it's a matter of a woman's health-- I prefer the abortion to be in a doctor's (or health provider's) office instead their homes or pseudo-abortion clinics.

You got me there.

You don't understand what?
People are able to perform abortions? Even if illegal?

I meant I agree with you.

At 4/30/06 11:54 AM, GunCrave wrote: I'd sign this thing, but I believe you have to be eighteen. I've always been somewhat pro-choice, however, this is a huge waste of tax dollars. And liberals are bitching about how we're running up a debt.

$260 million to abortion clinics vs. $15 billion in subsidies to oil companies in Bush's energy plan.
Not to mention the $80 billion to station troops in countries we're protecting from communist invasion (WWII ended 60 years ago!) each year.

Yes, it's all the liberals' fault, because they're obviously here to be blamed when conservatives fail at everything.

I'm against abortion, but I'm not signing the petition. In the end, if said tax money is cut from them, they'll cut important programs like sex education and distribution of free condoms and counseling rather than cutting abortion programs.

At 4/30/06 12:29 PM, shi_huangdi wrote:

At 4/30/06 12:25 PM, LordXanthus wrote:

Yes, it's much better to die in an office with a wire in your vagina.

...

Even in the best of situations, abortions aren't safe procedures.

But you know what, we've got to many idiots walking the face of the earth anyway. If people want to do this to themselves, let them. No skin off my nose anymore.

OH LOOK! One of the side effects is infirtility! YAY!!!!!!

At 4/30/06 05:50 AM, Redbob86 wrote: This petition will help stop tax-payer funding to Planned Parenthood. I just signed it, it's a good cause.
http://www.stopplann..thoodtaxfunding.com/


Even if you support abortion, would you really want your tax dollars going to fund it?

i signed and sent to the link to all the people i know.... Go me i helped stop the government from paying murder!

At 4/30/06 01:07 PM, SevenSeize wrote: Okay, well, here's a girl's perspective. (if one hasn't already, sorry, I didn't check profiles.) I agree with the folks talking about coat hangers. I understand what you mean about they can just got put it up for adoption. But, the girls who are shoving coat hangers up their vaginas are the girls who don't want people to know they are pregnant, so adoption is not an option for them. They don't want anyone to know they are pregnant period. In larger cities, there are tons of places to get condoms etc. But I live in a bible belt city and it is an act of congress to get condoms, birth control, and pregnancy tests here if you are under 18. We need a good program for this. Also, alot of folks may not know this, but Volunteers of America (the adoption people), provide free pregnancy tests, information on your options, and should you keep the baby, they'll give you any help you need.

I doubt women under the age of 18 should be getting pregnant period. I mean the reason why these girls are getting pregnant is because they are retarded and their parents aren't controlling them well enough. I mean it's different under the circumstance of rape, but true rape happens much less often than you would think it does. About a hundredth or so. In most of these rape situations, the girl and guy are actually intentionally doing it TOGETHER without considering any protection at all. And some girls do this deliberately to get attention or from the fear of losing this so called magneficent guy that is worth more to them that their own lives. And I've heard of cases where the guy was the actual victim, but because the girl was able to gain testimony and confront police official before the guy even had a chance to that he became the perpetrator. And this happens more oftenly as women are given more and more rights over men. And you would think, "oh well atleast he's enjoying it." Do you think he would be enjoying it if he was forced to pay child support to a child that he was forced to help produce?

But back to teen-pregnancy. I believe women under the age of 18, just like men under the age of 18 do not have the right to do to their body as they please. But it isn't their fault they act like such, it's their parents fault for being lazy and not properly educating and disciplining them on such issues.

But this is expected, because almost all americans are lazy and would rather have someone else taking care of their problems. I mean you know, most guys are slobs and most women are whiny bastards.

But enough of that, I would think it would be wise to bring complete fear and horror to the subject of teen-pregnancy or pregnancy at all while they are at the easy age of a teenager. And then while they are becoming an adult to easily release the pressure they were inflicted upon so they can enjoy the fine life of adulthood.

And this does not require lying or fabrication. Making boys watch things like Bondage Game 1 and 2 is enough to make them not desire sex until much later in their life. Of course the subject of becoming a homosexual from the sort can only come about do to other things that have occured while being a child. Like being raped by another male or forced upon by a female in a sort of dom/sub environment, involving toys and such. And there are many others, being isolated from girls is another part that may lead to such things. And another would be constantly afraid of women due to their imposing nature and horrific ability to make a man feel complete at fault for something he didn't even do. But like I said this is all psychological and comes about during the crucial ages of a child's developement.

But I think the best step is to encourage homosexuality upon women or atleast in bisexual terms. Boys can just jack off as they normally do while girls just go and make out. Nothing wrong there aslong as no penetration from the boys ever takes place and as long as they are afraid of the things they've seen in bondage game 1 and 2, they'll probably never think of doing actual sex until they are much older.

At 4/30/06 05:57 AM, fli wrote: But I will sign this because I like to see a girl die with a wire stuck in her vagina in her house instead of a clean office. But whatever--

Yes. Because if we stop funding Planned Parenthood by federal tax dollars, that will happen. For serious.

They provide free condoms, preventative shots to certain STDs, treatment, couseling, and other things--

So do other places. Your point?

Yes.
Let's take those too...

Because without taxpayer funding they'll immediately close. It's a multi-billion dollar industry. Be real.

But I will sign this because I like to see a girl die with a wire stuck in her vagina in her house instead of a clean office. But whatever--

Yes, because the end of government funding for abortion automatically means that people will flee from abortion clinics and die in back alleys.

Dear Jesus your post was assinine.

At 4/30/06 12:18 PM, x_Toadenalin_x wrote: I mean sure, you'd expect it to back up he claim "Planned Parenthood pushes pornography onto children with shocking and offensive websites, books, and literature", but whatever.

Well, seeing as it's a petition, not an informative page, it's really not that surprising. Have you ever signed a petition? Half the time they don't even really say what you're signing in any detail. However, I believe this is referring to Planned Parenthood affiliate www.teenwire.com, which has been criticized in the past for it's content.

At 4/30/06 03:21 PM, fli wrote: You act very naive--
Just because adoption is an option and abortion becomes illegalize doesn't mean that abortion won't happen. Look at the nations with the same policies-- Mexico is right under us.

And you act purposefully blind. Of course it will still happen, what IS your point? Well gee, Bert, there's an inherent danger to breaking the law. Maybe we should just get rid of law altogether. And since I saw you respond to the murder thing, no it's a really close comparison.

Girls die secretly from gangrene and other nasty sorts--
because they are forced to do things dangerously instead of a safer way.

And? Kids huff paint because they don't have access to other drugs. Being stupid is dangerous. As is breaking the law.

I don't support abortion, but if it's a matter of a woman's health-- I prefer the abortion to be in a doctor's (or health provider's) office instead their homes or pseudo-abortion clinics.

Actually, we have no clue whether or not abortion became "safer" when it became legal. I mean it's not like people actually reported fatal abortions before it became legal. And even now there's not a hell of a lot of reporting.

At 4/30/06 05:51 PM, WolvenBear wrote: Yes, because the end of government funding for abortion automatically means that people will flee from abortion clinics and die in back alleys.

Dear Jesus your post was assinine.

And you're being naive.
NO abortion will occur because NO place LEGALLY exists?

My post maybe assinine very marginally--
but Jesus... it's wholly puerile to believe that what I've described neither hasn't happened, nor will not happen if abortion is illegalized.

I've provided Mexico's dirty abortions as a real life example that's happening now.
I've yet seen the contrarary where what you believe happens in real life.

Hey-- Abortions maybe illegal. Adoption can be a McProcess: fast and conveniant.
But that's not going to stop abortions from happening, or putting the lives at risk of woman who does this.

At 4/30/06 03:58 PM, Proteas wrote:

Even in the best of situations, abortions aren't safe procedures.

Since when? "Death occurs in 0.0006% of all legal abortions." (
Linky)

At 4/30/06 06:08 PM, fli wrote:

At 4/30/06 05:51 PM, WolvenBear wrote: Yes, because the end of government funding for abortion automatically means that people will flee from abortion clinics and die in back alleys.

Dear Jesus your post was assinine.

And you're being naive.
NO abortion will occur because NO place LEGALLY exists?

no...but abortions will go down.

My post maybe assinine very marginally--
but Jesus... it's wholly puerile to believe that what I've described neither hasn't happened, nor will not happen if abortion is illegalized.

I've provided Mexico's dirty abortions as a real life example that's happening now.
I've yet seen the contrarary where what you believe happens in real life.

Hey-- Abortions maybe illegal. Adoption can be a McProcess: fast and conveniant.
But that's not going to stop abortions from happening, or putting the lives at risk of woman who does this.

you can die if you overdose on crack, but the only persons whose fault it is are the user and the provider. in this instance the abortionist, and the girl's fault for her life being at risk. if she doesnt want to go through with the risk, have the baby, wich is what the governments intended purpose anyway .

Still, abortion risks are negligible.

At 4/30/06 07:19 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: Still, abortion risks are negligible.

Not really...

# Heavy Bleeding - Some bleeding after abortion is normal. However, there is a risk of hemorrhage, especially if the uterine artery is torn. When this happens, a blood transfusion may be required.
# Infection - There is a risk that bacteria may get into the uterus from an incomplete abortion resulting in infection. A serious infection may lead to persistent fever over several days and extended hospitalization.
# Incomplete Abortion - There is a risk that some fetal parts may not be removed by the abortion. Bleeding and infection may occur. RU486 may fail in up to 1 out of every 20 cases.
# Allergic Reaction to Drugs - There is a risk of an allergic reaction to the anesthesia used during abortion surgery. These risks include convulsions, heart attack and, in extreme cases, death.
# Tearing of the Cervix - There is a risk that the cervix may be cut or torn by abortion instruments.
# Scarring of the Uterine Lining - There is a risk that suction tubing, curettes, and other abortion instruments may cause permanent scarring of the uterine lining.
# Perforation of the Uterus - There is a risk that the uterus may be punctured or torn by abortion instruments. The risk of this complication increases with the length of the pregnancy. If this occurs, major surgery, including a hysterectomy, may be required.
# Damage to Internal Organs - When the uterus is punctured or torn, there is also a risk that damage will occur to nearby organs such as the bowel and bladder.
# Death - In extreme cases, there is a risk of other physical complications from abortion including excessive bleeding, infection, organ damage from a perforated uterus, and adverse reactions to anesthesia may lead to death. This complication is very rare and occurs, on average, in less than 20 cases per year

At 4/30/06 06:18 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:

At 4/30/06 03:58 PM, Proteas wrote:

Even in the best of situations, abortions aren't safe procedures.

Since when? "Death occurs in 0.0006% of all legal abortions." (
Linky)

death occurs in every abortion no? really bad jokes aside; he means aside from death, physical defects, such as never being able to give birth again, mentel problems like depression, and other diseases like various forms of cancer

At 4/30/06 07:26 PM, therealsylvos wrote:

At 4/30/06 06:18 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:

death occurs in every abortion no? really bad jokes aside; he means aside from death, physical defects, such as never being able to give birth again, mentel problems like depression, and other diseases like various forms of cancer

Extreme depression has a 100% of occuring after an abortion, unless the woman has no functional part of her brain to allow her to fell shame and regret for allowing offspring to die.