At 1/9/03 09:49 PM, pewp wrote:

At 1/9/03 06:46 PM, RyoHahn wrote:

You're such a fucking loser. I was the one that started submitting TrickyClown movies after Sulkoma created it. A couple of other people started to follow because they thought it was funny and then Synj made one. He only made 2 movies in total. Get a life n00g.

Its amazing how many people think Synj started the Tricky craze, when in reality, it was you and Sulkoma, with Synj joining in later. Then the reaction was OMFG I HATE THAT TRICKYCLOWN, and the only name they remember is Synj.

See previous statement about standard NG user IQ/Brainpower.

Tom Stop bitching and start working on Pico 2 if you dont do it it'll never get done. Newgrounds is fine as it is, so shhhh, mister fulp. Get to work you lazy ass 20 year old. If you work somewhere other than NG quuit posting and get to work, or if you work only at NG get to work on Pico 2. Help Juan or whomever out.

I have to agree i personally don't vote as often as i like but people who vote zeros are just ignorant and prob have never made a flash movie. I haven't but i know the work that goes into them so don't be assholes and vote fair

At 1/9/03 09:53 PM, RyoHahn wrote: At 1/9/03 09:49 PM, pewp wrote:Get a life n00g.

get a life? I have a life unlikemost of you. I have a girl who I am marrying. I have my own house. I have a life. unlike those of you who live with your mom's and beat off teh hentai

Dear RyoHahn,

Plz stfu.

Love,
KDOG

Just thought I'd post part of the blam club code of conduct. Maybe everybody should read it from time to time and stop these petty arguments.
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"5) Is there a code of conduct?

There is, and it goes something like this:

a) We vote how we feel. If a movie is good, we vote accordingly, if it sucks, we also vote accordingly. After all, we are individuals. A lot of times, we post targets at the webpage or the BLAM club thread.

b) We also give proper reviews. We utilize constructive criticism to the fullest extent of our abilities. None of this "f*** you, you pig******" or "This is gay" business. To do so will cost you your membership in BLAM club.

c) We have no amnesty for crap flash made by our own members. In other words, you get the same chance of keeping your movies as everyone else in the Portal. This was a problem for Rancidpsychojosh, who was unable to grasp this concept. As one of our members points out: "You make crap, you get BLAM!"

d) We have no grudges with any groups. Not the clocks, not the Rancidpsychos...No one! We will not be used as an engine for any internecine feuds. We judge flash, not people.

e) It isn't the number of BLAMs you get, but helping to get rid of crap flash that matters.

That is the code of conduct we adhere to."

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http://www.sheltered-life.com/blam/faq.htm#4

-->KDOG

There is definitely something amiss. Last I saw on the movie submitting FAQ, the were already a number of restrictions: one vote per day, no submitting stolen movies, no auto-directs, don't make tons of useless reviews, etc., etc. However, the majority of these restrictions keep potential tidal waves of flak from coming in while still keeping the saving voice of thought-out opinion alive. Perhaps, Tom was vague in his message. However, the negative possibilities of such a watchdog program can definitely destroy any chance of free voting all-round. Searching for full session periods of people simply voting zero will definitely result in a lot of dropped users. Sure, maybe a lot of people who never even bothered to actually screen anything will get their just desserts. However, it could very well result in the loss of certain more seasoned users whose voting power was used purely because of their own opinion with no prejudice otherwise. Thus, such unwarranted regression could result in possibly losing even some of the better flash artists who don't bother with the voting experience system or Blam/Save system at all. All things considered... I would prefer a further explanation on the actions the Fulps are considering, but I'd definitely like it sooner rather than later.

On a note of complete and utter irony: "Also be sure to vote as soon as you can! There is no reason to hold back your vote any more to try to get a BLAM! If you hold back to be the deciding vote you may miss your chance at gaining a point!" - Portal FAQ

There were definitely some suggestions I preferred over tracking voting habits:

1. Scrap the Blam/Save program altogether
2. Seek out the IP addresses of multiple users who strictly vote zero
3. Implement a system that requires you to actually experience the flash creation before voting (Under Judgement is counter-productive)
4. Search for votes that are made within 3 seconds of a movie being published on the portal (a.k.a. search for auto-voting programs)
5. ...finish Pico 2?

pardon if I was particularly difficult to read, so here it is leyman's terms:

No

I worded suggestion #2 incorrectly.

what I meant to say was: seek out those multiple usernames are directly sourced to a single IP address (can be used for those who strictly vote either 0 or 5)

Even more simply said, some people task away at making username after username for the pure purpose of making a virtual army of blammers/protectors all under the guidance of the single IP address that represents them all. Seek out the one IP address composed of 100-or-so strict zero voters, and that's a definite save in unfair distribution of voting power.

I stopped posting for a while 'cause 1) people were just starting to whine, 2) they were exaggerating the original post, and 3) it was getting a little off-topic, and I was just helping that. So, here's exactly what Tom says:

"We've noticed there are users who vote 0 on EVERY SINGLE movie that comes in to the Portal, so we are now tracking your voting habits. Don't be surprised if your experience points become a big fat 0, just like your votes. :)

If you vote fairly, there is nothing to worry about. It is very obvious when a user votes 0 on everything."

Now, read what Wade has just recently posted on the frontpage. They've sent *warnings*. There has been no one who was banned/got their experience taken away as of yet. Wade notes in his letter that people voting zero got warnings.

I'd also like to congrat those intelligent individuals that thought voting zero or one would show Tom who's boss. Is it not obvious he is? The whole idea of his post was to lower blamming. You're voting 1. That doesn't blam it. That means if everyone followed you, everything would be at a steady 1, which would just be on the verge of death, therefor he wins, unless I'm mistaken, which has happened a lot, lately...

I'm baffled by how Tom's post is considered 'bitching'. He told you abusing '0' would get your in trouble! How's that bitching? It's like a kid that's never cleaned his room for 5 years is asked to clean it. It should be easy, but as soon as mommy asks you if you could do something for her, you freak out. I'm really surprised at how much people flip out when Tom/Wade ask something of us. I'm still laughing a little bit after reading the post from the guy that said something along the lines of 'Man I used to love this place but then you started the whole watch the movie before voting thing. That's gay'.

Toms post was nice enough... For Christsakes, he even used a smiley face! And I still don't think insulting the person who has complete control of whether or not you can even view the site is too bright.

Wade's post asked to vote honestly. Seriously, I'm going to try and vote more honestly, although I usually just get my 5 votes of the day in, 'cause everything loads slow as hell on my computer, 'cause I have dial-up. Bleh. But once in a while I go for stuff that is just asking for a blamming (read my post on page... 4, I think) to get my voting power up a little. Power hungry internet dweebs! W00t!

I just reread this, and noticed I sound like a real kiss-ass. Hrmph. Well, I'm too lazy to revise it to make it not sound like that, 'cause I think I made at least one good point in that incredibly long post. And I just may be a kiss-ass... Who knows. Heh.

Thanks for reading...

Tom I used to hate this site because I submitted games that may not have been the best ever, but were not total zero's and they would be blammed. I would spend months working on games and blam, their gone. In the past few months you have fixed so many of the problems that plagued the portal, and I must simply say BRAVO!

Fair enough you want us to vote fairly.
but the amount of effort put into a lot of the movies posted is minimal, id say that a lot of people just post crappy movies so they get blammed by everyone and everyone gets blam points.

Ill admit its not fair that people who work hard at theyre movies end u having them blammed, but ur forgetting the ratio of crappy movies to good movies, i mean, its way off, everyone is trying to make the next "B" or other crap, so they submit bullshit.

I think its unfair to remove someones experience points, but id also say its unfair that someone who does good work has theyre work ruined.

A + or - system woud be ok, but i saywe stick with our system, maybe only making voting available when the person has watched the movie, becuase im sure a lot of people blam withoout whatching the movie.

on another note, those of us who have made movies and have a higher batting average should have a better understanding of how much effort is put into an animation.

So maybe a system with those who make movies and submit them, giving those people more power would be a nice idea.

Id say a lot of the major blammers have never made a movie in theyre life.

I stopped reading replies after a few pages, since I don't like reading the same things over and over. When I read Tom and Wade's posts, the first thing that came to my mind was not censorship and favoritism, just making sure that the movies are being judged fairly. I tend to blam stuff I don't like as much as the next guy, but I try to look at things objectively. I won't blam a movie or game solely based on the music chosen or my beliefs on the subject matter, I look at the quality of the art and the animation as well.

I do believe Tom and Wade made the comments not to attack those who vote 0 on lots of films, just for those who randomly choose 5 entries to blam just to get the experience points. Voting 0 just because you haven't joined the new millenium and gotten DSL or cable modem service to speedily download large files, you don't like tricky clown/stick movies/music choices or whatever else, or just because you want another blam point is a complete waste of time not only for yourself but for the person who created it.

I will continue to blam the crap that gets flushed into the portal the same as I always have. The only change I will make in my voting habits from now on is that when I blam something, I will also write a review explaining why. Giving an explanation for your vote is the best way to keep from getting accused of random blamming for the sake of the blam points.

-TaoDragon

Oh yeah... One last thing...

I've seen the "free speech" banner being hoisted by a few people here and there, and feel the need to say my piece about it. Last time I checked, the Portal was owned by Tom and Wade, and as such it is not public domain. Visiting Newgrounds is not very dissimilar to visiting Tom and Wade's home. now I don't know about you, but if someone comes to my abode and starts doing things I disagree with I ask them to stop and remove them from the premises if they still continue.

If you don't like the rules, go make your own portal. See how many folks stick around when there's no control over anything...

-TaoDragon

If you vote fairly, there is nothing to worry about. It is very obvious when a user votes 0 on everything.

Tom some of that voting stuff is bullshit. I think a movie should still be able to be deleted (in some way) even after 100 votes. Like for instance the turd of the week. Ok it says Xiao Xiao game and even has some instructions to it, but then the file size is under 80 KB's and it was a picture of a gay asian couple! Ok i am tolerant of gays, but do u have to fucking lie about it>? Stupid people probably didnt even watch it and just because it says "Xiao Xiao" they gave it a good vote. So yeah i vote ZERO 0 on that shit.

Can you just make a new system to make it easier to track them who always vote zero? It would be sad to lose the experince points and I think many people would just drop NG if theyd disapear. Thanx for the time

HAHA BLAM CLUB IS GOING TO HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THIS

I really agree with this, people just don't vote fairly. I mean its real easy to get a blam point, and I guess they just go for whats easy. Good idea Tom.

Don't be surprised if your experience points become a big fat 0, just like your votes. :)

this fucking sucks!! There is billions of crappy movies, and now people are afraid to vote 0's on them!! i go to portal recents, and what i see, a stick movies with 2.40 overall, and yes, it was that kindof stick movie where is only rainbow colored big heads and no sound!!

This is so fucking lame that i think i wont even vote for anything from now on. Im not sure if i bother to visit NG anyway.

tom ur right there is crapy movies and people blam them to get blam pts. i like the idea of tracing it back to the people.

Yes! that's right!! so we can avoid cheaters.

just one question, what if i come across like 10 portal entries that deserve a 0.

At 1/9/03 07:53 PM, VikingKitten wrote:

At 1/9/03 07:09 PM, Othello wrote:

and to that fucking retard who gave a list of things he votes 0 on always, your whats wrong with this site. your the scourge destroying this community. some clock movies are very good for example yet you vote 0 on them no matter what. thats what tom is talking about with voting 0 on decent movies, but its not just clock movies. bunch of lamers and newbies.

... If that was in reply to my post (which I think it is) you are great at making assumptions.
...Did I say anything at all about the Clock Crew in that post? I don't think so... And I never said anything about any group of people. I just pointed out that Tricky was 'quickly exhausted'.

hey man, listen to yourself, you're guessing that i'm talking about you when i reffered to someone who said they voted 0 on all cc movies. you didnt put that as one of your rules, so i'm not talking about you, you're just assuming i am.

Yo, I'm not related to the NG administrators at all but I want to set one thing straight.

You blammers are all talking about being afraid of voting 0 on crappy movies from now on. It's not that!!! If you find a movie's stupidly bad, vote 0. Tom probably won't have problems with that!!! The problem here is the people who, regardless if it's good or bad, vote 0! And plus, there's no way you only get to see crap in the portal!!! Some movies may not be great but most aren't total crap!!! If it's bad, vote 1!!! If it deserves to be blammed, vote 0!!! 0's there to blam things, not to simply vote just because you didn't like it!!! If you didn't like it but it's not bad, vote 2!!! But 0, that DOES deserve you to lose experience points!!! Live with it!!! Don't make him sound unfair!!!

So there. Vote 0 for entries that are so bad, offensive, pornographic or whatever that they deserve blamming. Vote 1 for crappy, yet don't deserve to be blammed, considering they probably got effort put into it. Vote 2 for entries you didn't like at all but are had effort put into it. Vote 3 for the entries which are decent and you liked. Vote 4 for the entries which are good. Vote 5 for masterpieces. But AVOID 0's and 5's when it comes to average entries. Even if they're kind of crappy, it's not likely they deserve a blam, considering these are exceptions!!! And so happens with the 5's, which you should avoid unless you really liked it, it's really well done, or grew in you like "The Welder" did in my case!!! If the movie doesn't fit into one of these extremes, vote from 1 to 4.

At last, for the people who are insulting Tom, what's wrong with you?! You visit this website, get experience points, play his games, make Newgrounds your main entertainment resource, and tell the website's creator to fuck off?! WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR PROBLEM?!

At 1/9/03 04:22 PM, TomFulp wrote: If you vote fairly, there is nothing to worry about. It is very obvious when a user votes 0 on everything.

THAT IS SO GAY, WHAT ABOUT BLAM CLUB MEMBERS THAT VOTE 0 ON CRAP STUFF, AND MOST STUFF ON NG IS SHIT ANYWAY
e.g my first cool movie, the worst movie ever, and several turd of the weeks.
IF ANYONE SAW "MY FIRST COOL MOVIE"(I DONT MEAN MY FIRST COOL MOVIE, SOME SAID TWAT CALLED IT THAT LOL) WAS JUST A PIC OF A FISH THAT TURNED INTO A SCREEN WITH 4 FISH! THIS IDEA IS FUCKING BOLLOX!!!
SCREW YOU!

Heh, you know what Tom? Maybe a "0" vote IS a fair vote for all the garbage that comes down the pipe. You can track my ass all you like, but if I think something deserves a "0" vote, I'm voting a "0"!

Your missing the point. If u vot 0 on EVERYTHING u get put back down. As long as u dont vote 0 on stuff that doesnt deserve a 0 ur safe.

After reading Tom 'n Wade's notes, I suppose I may have misused the "0" option. I try to vote fairly, and I don't use zero as often as others might, but I do vote zero on utter shit.
I work in Flash, and I've not yet submitted anything because I refuse to submit something that will get blammed in seconds. Fact is, NG is a tough crowd, so I'm going to bust my ass and be 500% happy with my work before sending it to the dogs. I know how difficult Flash can be, so I take people's hard work into account, but when someone spends 30 seconds on 2 stick figures and a penis, it's gonna be blammed.
I have no problem voting 1 instead of zero, but really, I can have twelve submissions in the next hour if I put absolutely no work into them.. does that mean they deserve 1's & 2's?

At 1/10/03 01:50 PM, Kai0_Shin wrote:

Your missing the point. If u vot 0 on EVERYTHING u get put back down. As long as u dont vote 0 on stuff that doesnt deserve a 0 ur safe.

And how is that gonna be determined?

Make the VOTES ONE TWO and THREE with anything below a 1.5 deleted

At 1/9/03 04:22 PM, TomFulp wrote: We've noticed there are users who vote 0 on EVERY SINGLE movie that comes in to the Portal, so we are now tracking your voting habits. Don't be surprised if your experience points become a big fat 0, just like your votes. :)

If you vote fairly, there is nothing to worry about. It is very obvious when a user votes 0 on everything.

dude i dont mean to be a jerk but y dont u let them vote on what they feel like...if they hate it, they hate it..its only their opion

If i don't like a movie, i going to vote my opinion, not what the flock of NG goers think, if it has 4.00 rating and i really don't like it, im gonna vote the way i want to, not what tom or wade tell me to. Telling people who to vote for is a dictatorship not a democracy. We should be able to see how many people have voted, not just the views. I personally vote lower than usual, but thats because i search for small file sizes and titles like "H4H4H4H4H4H4H4H4H4H4" or "it was alreadly blamd" or even "alkhalkhlayjheguyvbkagagkjhasjkash"

Hey Tom when i view a newbie movie i vote 5 just so i can give the user a bost and maybe later they will make better movies it's how everyone starts off i started by first flash movies on sfdt.com stick fighting there were actually simular to zio zio

Can I have the right to be offended at at being told I don't have have the privilege of having an opinion that dosn't agree with the mighty WADE FULP? KING ALMOGHTY OF THE portal!!!!!with the power to delete ME
oh GOD forbid that I should think for myself and vote down a flash he favors!!!!!!!! bah! if he bans me he'll soon ban many of you also!!! and where will Tom Fulp be if there no one at Newgrounds to view the popups??????