At 10/23/02 05:29 PM, TomFulp wrote: Many of you may have noticed the new poll by now! That's right, we finally replaced the poll about video game mascots! Expect to see new polls on a much more regular basis from now on, as we finally have a good system in place for creating polls. Are there any burning questions on anyone's minds? I'm open to poll suggestions!

Tom, Tom, Tom...We, the fans, would majorly like to know what's going on with Pico 2. It's been in the making for a long time now. You didn't scrap it did you? Maybe you should make a poll about how many people think it should be made?

How about a poll about how long you should post new polls.
(Example:
1 Day
1 Week
2 Weeks
1 Month etc)

Did you happen to read my post Laertes? For all of you who don't remember what happened with W's father was president, our economy went down and he put us into a war. We are in a worse economic state than we were with his dad and instead of Iraq just having bio-chemical warfare, they now have nukes!! It's nice to see that there are people like you Laertes who know what's really going on.

At 10/23/02 09:49 PM, Draolf wrote: Did you happen to read my post Laertes? For all of you who don't remember what happened with W's father was president, our economy went down and he put us into a war. We are in a worse economic state than we were with his dad and instead of Iraq just having bio-chemical warfare, they now have nukes!! It's nice to see that there are people like you Laertes who know what's really going on.

Thank you Draolf. Sincerely, I thank you.
I have another question for the people who are such avid supporters of Bush's decision: how the fuck are we going to go to war with Iraq if we can't afford it? Go further into national debt? We are seriously financially screwed here America, we're like a rich actor whose glory days are over but we still like to maintain the same lifestyle. If we slip even further into national debt, we can never recover. By the time the 1st person reads this post, the United States will have slipped close to $1/2 million in debt. I'm estimating about 30 seconds here, so go ahead and do some math about how much America is losing PER SECOND. Go ahead, I'll wait for you to divide.

Thank you Draolf. Sincerely, I thank you.
I have another question for the people who are such avid supporters of Bush's decision: how the fuck are we going to go to war with Iraq if we can't afford it? Go further into national debt? We are seriously financially screwed here America, we're like a rich actor whose glory days are over but we still like to maintain the same lifestyle. If we slip even further into national debt, we can never recover. By the time the 1st person reads this post, the United States will have slipped close to $1/2 million in debt. I'm estimating about 30 seconds here, so go ahead and do some math about how much America is losing PER SECOND. Go ahead, I'll wait for you to divide.

um well isnt that the essence of being a democrat? ah how nice it is to know that under clinton billions were lost in the education department. literally lost. what about his patriotic move that armed chinas ICBM missiles. not that bush is any better but it not his fault the goverment is shit. until people realize that 40-50% taxes and big goverment will never work the country will be a cesspool of politicians sucking the dicks of the only people who vote.....geezers( social security that cant be privitized just loses money, PRESCRIPTION DRUG CARE!!? the only way that the ole USA can get out of debt is to treat the goverment like a business. get out of fedral education get the military out of germany and korea and fuckin japan because they are wastes of money to defend developed nations(cold wars over) . now go out and join the libertarian party. less goverment more freedom. not to much passion but the goverment was always supossed to be the peoples servant anyway. only way to achive a govermental eutopia because you keep open market sociaty plus that socialism and communisim dont work because everyone gets lazy. why the hell work if your guarenteed pay? hmmm seemed to ramble my view but oh well. oh yes republicans and democrats both suck alike because neither arer against making smaller goverment. i think ill move to vatican city thankyou.

At 10/23/02 09:49 PM, Draolf wrote: Did you happen to read my post Laertes? For all of you who don't remember what happened with W's father was president, our economy went down and he put us into a war. We are in a worse economic state than we were with his dad and instead of Iraq just having bio-chemical warfare, they now have nukes!! It's nice to see that there are people like you Laertes who know what's really going on.

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I really agree with you and Laertes. For one thing, WE attacked the Mid East on a Sept. 11 back when Bush Sr. was in office, trying to exploit the countries for their oil and when we were in economic crisis, as we are now with ol' sonny boy in office now. Hmm... Now what just happened a year before on Sept. 11? Ah yes, PAYBACK. Don't think that they did this shit because they hate us and we're 'infidels'. They do hate us (for a good reason), and did this to send a message, that they aren't going to be pushed around by the U.S. for much longer. Other countries also feel this way, but didn't go as far. If we get into it with Iraq, other countries that hate us will back it up, while the U.N. goes Switzerland (which means they don't give a rat's ass, they'll remain neutral). Let me share something I talked about with a friend of mine on AIM (I'm Corona, my pal is Cyberstryker):

Corona Ra 05: All Iraq is doing is protecting what's theirs.
cyberstryker: yep
Corona Ra 05: So what if their leader is a tyrant asswipe? That's there business. We don't live there, so why should America care about kicking him out of office? And why are we tripping off of them having bio-weapons and nukes? FOR GOD SAKES, we have them too!!!
cyberstryker: i know
Corona Ra 05: All this is about is Bush trying to exploit them for their oil (rightfully theirs, on their property, not American soil at all), and look like he's has balls along with it. Stupid crackhead.
cyberstryker: i know
cyberstryker: that's why i didn't vote for him
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All Bush Jr. is doing is trying to finish what Daddy Dearest started, which is to try to steal oil, make them disarm and take apart weapons that are probably the only means they have of defending themselves against enemy countries like us, and try to look like an American hero doing it. If we go to war, we'll will suffer horribly. We are already a broke-ass scrub country, so why should we get into any more shit? Colin Powell got himself out of most of the media spotlights because he knows most, if not all, of this "War on Terrorism" stuff is propoganda. Iraq's weapons are something that we shouldn't be policing right now. It's not worth the welfare of our country. Sorry for the long-ass post, but I'm glad that some of you here realize this stuff. I had to get this rant off of my chest- er, bossom.

At 10/23/02 05:29 PM, TomFulp wrote: Many of you may have noticed the new poll by now! That's right, we finally replaced the poll about video game mascots! Expect to see new polls on a much more regular basis from now on, as we finally have a good system in place for creating polls. Are there any burning questions on anyone's minds? I'm open to poll suggestions!

How about a poll about when Pico 2 will be finished?
A:1 month
B:1 year
C:1 decade
D:Never

At 10/23/02 05:29 PM, TomFulp wrote:

Many of you may have noticed the new poll by now! Really? That took awhile, but its good that you got around to it! That's right, we finally replaced the poll about video game mascots! yay for Jesus! (don't worry i'm kidding) Are there any burning questions on anyone's minds? I'm open to poll suggestions! Do you have gas? Ashura

At 10/23/02 10:42 PM, fattony945 wrote:

Thank you Draolf. Sincerely, I thank you.
I have another question for the people who are such avid supporters of Bush's decision: how the fuck are we going to go to war with Iraq if we can't afford it? Go further into national debt? We are seriously financially screwed here America, we're like a rich actor whose glory days are over but we still like to maintain the same lifestyle. If we slip even further into national debt, we can never recover. By the time the 1st person reads this post, the United States will have slipped close to $1/2 million in debt. I'm estimating about 30 seconds here, so go ahead and do some math about how much America is losing PER SECOND. Go ahead, I'll wait for you to divide.

um well isnt that the essence of being a democrat? ah how nice it is to know that under clinton billions were lost in the education department. literally lost. what about his patriotic move that armed chinas ICBM missiles. not that bush is any better but it not his fault the goverment is shit. until people realize that 40-50% taxes and big goverment will never work the country will be a cesspool of politicians sucking the dicks of the only people who vote.....geezers( social security that cant be privitized just loses money, PRESCRIPTION DRUG CARE!!? the only way that the ole USA can get out of debt is to treat the goverment like a business. get out of fedral education get the military out of germany and korea and fuckin japan because they are wastes of money to defend developed nations(cold wars over) . now go out and join the libertarian party. less goverment more freedom. not to much passion but the goverment was always supossed to be the peoples servant anyway. only way to achive a govermental eutopia because you keep open market sociaty plus that socialism and communisim dont work because everyone gets lazy. why the hell work if your guarenteed pay? hmmm seemed to ramble my view but oh well. oh yes republicans and democrats both suck alike because neither arer against making smaller goverment. i think ill move to vatican city thankyou.

lol, I'm not saying the Democratic party is without fault, in fact it's quite the opposite. However, I'd take the democratic party over the republican every day. Honestly, if all elections come down to the Dems and the Reps, especially if they are close elections, you are going to want to vote for the 1 of the 2. No matter how much you can like a 3rd party, they're not going to get to do shit officially (or at least not on a large scale)if they're not elected to some sort of public office. And 90%+ of the time it's one of the 2 parties. SO, basically the only real difference we can make as voters is to simply vote for the party we disagree with the least. Sad, for we should be able to make a bigger difference than that with our opinions, but it's simply the way our system works. HAVE FUN IN THE VATICAN!!! Hear it's a great place to spend the summer.

At 10/23/02 10:42 PM, fattony945 wrote:

um well isnt that the essence of being a democrat? ah how nice it is to know that under clinton billions were lost in the education department. literally lost. what about his patriotic move that armed chinas ICBM missiles. not that bush is any better but it not his fault the goverment is shit. until people realize that 40-50% taxes and big goverment will never work the country will be a cesspool of politicians sucking the dicks of the only people who vote.....geezers( social security that cant be privitized just loses money, PRESCRIPTION DRUG CARE!!? the only way that the ole USA can get out of debt is to treat the goverment like a business. get out of fedral education get the military out of germany and korea and fuckin japan because they are wastes of money to defend developed nations(cold wars over) . now go out and join the libertarian party. less goverment more freedom. not to much passion but the goverment was always supossed to be the peoples servant anyway. only way to achive a govermental eutopia because you keep open market sociaty plus that socialism and communisim dont work because everyone gets lazy. why the hell work if your guarenteed pay? hmmm seemed to ramble my view but oh well. oh yes republicans and democrats both suck alike because neither arer against making smaller goverment. i think ill move to vatican city thankyou.

You also have to remember that the 40-50% taxes are one of the reasons europeans settled here. Most of the people that "formed our country" were, essentially, whiny Brits (not that Brits are whiny, but ours were). You say that 40-50% isn't going to work, but would YOU be willing to pay the difference if our government changed that much? We've already become so accustomed to our way of life that I doubt we'd actually to smoothly shift styles. I think that, in a way, our government is hypocritic in the fact that we claim to be a diversified people, and yet every leader we have had over the centuries has been an OLD WHITE GUY FROM A PREDOMINATELY WHITE, CHRISTIAN FAMILY. I think the candidates should be forbidden to state where they're from and their views on religious beliefs during the duration of the campaign & election, being freely able to state it afterwards. Otherwise, we're going to have more presidents like W, honestly he was elected because of 1.) his dad 2.) the fact that he was the governor of texas beforehand and 3.) the fact that his self and his family (not so sure about his daughters) were heavy Christians. Most people didn't bother watching the presidential debates and such because they fault they "already had a grasp on political issues", even when the only thing they had to go on was their first impression of that president. W came off as a homegrown family guy, and AL Gore came out as an unemotional intellectual robot. Sad, but don't deny it. This comes from personal experience, I did a survey several years ago for a project in which i asked who voted and if they bothered gathering thorough information on the candidates before doing so. maybe 1 in 3 people bothered searching out of those that voted. the system doesn't always work :-P

At 10/23/02 10:00 PM, Laertes wrote:

At 10/23/02 09:49 PM, Draolf wrote: Did you happen to read my post Laertes? For all of you who don't remember what happened with W's father was president, our economy went down and he put us into a war. We are in a worse economic state than we were with his dad and instead of Iraq just having bio-chemical warfare, they now have nukes!! It's nice to see that there are people like you Laertes who know what's really going on.

Thank you Draolf. Sincerely, I thank you.
I have another question for the people who are such avid supporters of Bush's decision: how the fuck are we going to go to war with Iraq if we can't afford it? Go further into national debt? We are seriously financially screwed here America, we're like a rich actor whose glory days are over but we still like to maintain the same lifestyle. If we slip even further into national debt, we can never recover. By the time the 1st person reads this post, the United States will have slipped close to $1/2 million in debt. I'm estimating about 30 seconds here, so go ahead and do some math about how much America is losing PER SECOND. Go ahead, I'll wait for you to divide.

This problem is way more complicated than most people think. George push has found a golden opportunity to boost our economy. We have a history of going into war when our economy is in the pits. When we go into war we actually make money. Tanks, bombs, planes, and equipment all need to be made before we attack. Someone has to make them. This creates jobs, puting more money into the investors pockets. This will jumpstart the economy and have a ripple effect to the businesses around them. It brought us out of the depressing for god sake! Nobody complained because we had a "noble" way to boost our economy while destroying the economy of another country. But wait theres more. Our oil supply is in that area. Our oil based economy would be crippled if the arabian community took away our oil. But if this happened the US would cut off the food supply to the other countrys who don't have the climate or space to make there own food. example: desert climates such as iraq, saudia arabia, and Iran. If this trade off wasn't in affect, the US's industrial base would decinigrate. But Arabians would starve to death. Not good ether way. Im not saying its right to bomb iraq but if it will help the us and its allies against potential nuclear and biological weapons from terrorist that affect our economy, im all for it. Terrorism will never go away because there will always be people who will use religion as a scape goat to kill other people to make money. Terrorist do it by running planes into buildings, Americans do it by turning Iraq into one big peace of glass. So basicly we're all barbaric apes with BIG sticks to hit with. Its human nature to kill other beings for self gain. Im just glad im the one who has the money to buy the bombs, not steal them. anyway im off subject. national debt was created when FDR came up with the new deal to pull us out of it. while our economy pull itself back up after all the shit that happened in the great depression. But the debt still remained into WW2 where economy grew. The national debt will never be paid off, and neither will the other countrys debt they have to us. shit we give away millions of dollars to poor ass countrys and they get pissed and say "Ignorant captalistic Pigs! 100 million? 200 million!" damn the world is messed up. whatever i hope my history teacher is reading this.

I am SO sorry for my long posts... it's hard to stop me after I get started on politics. But really, I congratulate those who learn enough about politics to be active in the countries government. I encourage you all to vote in the upcoming election, but please, find out what the hell you're voting for or else you're going to waste your vote. Most 18 year old potheads are constantly trying to pass a vote for free medical marijuana (here in AZ), but most people that vote yes don't consider the checks and balances to that bill...

At 10/23/02 05:51 PM, blkwolf21 wrote:

YES!!! But u know that Bush isnt attacking Iraq, he's just invading and killin Saddam and then quickly getting outta there. Thats dumb as hell. he should tear up the whole fuckin place. And kill innocent people, no way. It's clear to me that you obviously know nothing about this issue. You can't just take out a ruler because you don't like him . Bush needs to combat this problem with diplomacy. It's a good idea to kill him in theory, much like communism, but in the real world baby it will upset the balance of power (duh). DO you know why they hate us so much, you don't do you? Its because we have to butt into everyone's affairs and act like we own the fucking place. If we kill him, can you imagine what they'll do to us? I shudder to think of it. You thought 9-11 was bad? you just wait until bush kills him and then you'll realize that 9-11 was nothin. They can do much worse. It's ignorant (not knowing) people like you that start wars. ... Saddam is a major factor in world terrorism, especially in financing terrorists. who do u think gives palestinians and the Islamic Jihad money for shit? SADDAM HUSSEIN Really? What are you talking about? Palestine's war has nothing to do with us, they're fighting for their independence from their enemy (who isn't the US). Let them fight! If anything, i hope Israel wins against Israel. I have friends over there

whats the point of the war against terror if u dont kill ALL ARABS? The arabs don't hate us, man! Its Osama bin laden's group that is in Afganistan! All Afgani's don't hate us anyway...We should punish him and his group, not the innocent civilians! Think before you speak, and know the real facts

At 10/23/02 11:42 PM, JoseTheHorrible wrote:

This problem is way more complicated than most people think. George push has found a golden opportunity to boost our economy. We have a history of going into war when our economy is in the pits. When we go into war we actually make money. Tanks, bombs, planes, and equipment all need to be made before we attack. Someone has to make them. This creates jobs, puting more money into the investors pockets. This will jumpstart the economy and have a ripple effect to the businesses around them. It brought us out of the depressing for god sake! Nobody complained because we had a "noble" way to boost our economy while destroying the economy of another country. But wait theres more. Our oil supply is in that area. Our oil based economy would be crippled if the arabian community took away our oil. But if this happened the US would cut off the food supply to the other countrys who don't have the climate or space to make there own food. example: desert climates such as iraq, saudia arabia, and Iran. If this trade off wasn't in affect, the US's industrial base would decinigrate. But Arabians would starve to death. Not good ether way. Im not saying its right to bomb iraq but if it will help the us and its allies against potential nuclear and biological weapons from terrorist that affect our economy, im all for it. Terrorism will never go away because there will always be people who will use religion as a scape goat to kill other people to make money. Terrorist do it by running planes into buildings, Americans do it by turning Iraq into one big peace of glass. So basicly we're all barbaric apes with BIG sticks to hit with. Its human nature to kill other beings for self gain. Im just glad im the one who has the money to buy the bombs, not steal them. anyway im off subject. national debt was created when FDR came up with the new deal to pull us out of it. while our economy pull itself back up after all the shit that happened in the great depression. But the debt still remained into WW2 where economy grew. The national debt will never be paid off, and neither will the other countrys debt they have to us. shit we give away millions of dollars to poor ass countrys and they get pissed and say "Ignorant captalistic Pigs! 100 million? 200 million!" damn the world is messed up. whatever i hope my history teacher is reading this.

yes... but... who do you suppose is paying the peoples pay checks? The Government!!! They can't fucking pay for it, whether or not the jobs are there the money is coming out of our treasury one way or another. Not to mention the fact that the market is so god damn unstable that even though many people have the money to invest they can't trust most large companies anymore, which are responsible for a HUGE percent of the market itself. If we can't trust the big guys in the market, then giving people jobs to "invest" is going to be spent on other things... you know, like people feeding their FAMILIES! people care less now about the end outcome of the country's welfare and more about what they can do for themselves. But you have to admit, Ole W can't do math that well. Not just the wars themselves, but he has messed up the economy even before the nationwide "strife" came up. The "economic stimulus package" he did in 2001? Most people claimed that they used it to pay the rent. Big help that did, and spent more unnecessary U.S. Dollars. isn't there a guy in washington that's supposedly regulating this unnecessary spending?

Also, the CIA said that there are at least 1000 agents of Saddam's that are living in the US. And all of them are said to have a Biological weapon of some sort. If we kill him, they'll have no problems setting them off and killing us all. If we go to war with them, do know how many people that will die? that country has so many goddamn people, its like trying to attack China. That would take weeks and weeks to do. I don't think any of you guys want to be shipped off to war do you?

DUDE!!! There should be a poll that asks:
"WHAT HAPPEN?"

with answers like,

1. someone set up us the bomb
2. its peanut butter jelly time
3. telly bubbies are cool

At 10/24/02 12:00 AM, Aeon_Flux wrote: Also, the CIA said that there are at least 1000 agents of Saddam's that are living in the US. And all of them are said to have a Biological weapon of some sort. If we kill him, they'll have no problems setting them off and killing us all. If we go to war with them, do know how many people that will die? that country has so many goddamn people, its like trying to attack China. That would take weeks and weeks to do. I don't think any of you guys want to be shipped off to war do you?

Seriously people, Iraq isn't some pushover country. Afghnistan was so unstable when we came in that it was easy to eliminate most of the forces there. Unfortunately, the media portrays ALL arabs as burqa wearing fanatics who use 50-year-old rifles and knives. But Iraq isn't just going to collapse "beneath our American might", they've had a lot of time to mull over a good military strategy against the U.S. believe me, if they have the bombs and we start a war then I can assure that there will be THOUSANDS of citizen casualties of U.S. citizens. This isn't something we can start and watch from afar, we are all a part of this. Even if you are not in the military, if you start a war then you are running the risk of dying for your country (whether or not you're masturbating while they drop a bomb on you). The government represents us, so any mistake THEY make is a mistake that WE make. "Go to war? SURE!!! HAVE FUN!!! What? A draft? Naw, I'll stay at home to wait and see if my old neighborhood is in shambles tomorrow."

New polls good. People that think we need kill all Arabs are dumber than shit. I take offense to all the kill all the A-Rab comments posted. Jesus people it's been over a year, can't we stop hating innocent people and realize it's foolish. Our current situation bares some similarity to the time of Nazi Germany. True "Nazis" were in the strict minority in comparison to the rest of the public, who were simply brainwashed to believe the propoganda created by the Nazi party. Same here, the vast majority of Arabs in the middle east may not like us, they may very well hate us, but they aren't leading the charge. They are the easily manipulated majority, and we can either fight the minority that leads them, or kill them all. I prefer the first myself. Adios

At 10/23/02 07:40 PM, blkwolf21 wrote:

The USA should, infact, bomb 1- Iraq and 2- Saudi arabia

great idea! Lets kill millions of inocent people just because of their nationality! wait, who shares this point of view. Oh yeah, osama bin laden. geez, just because you got attack by a terrorist group doesn't give you the right to bomb every country you disagree with or think they might be hidding in.

At 10/24/02 12:11 AM, green_stapler wrote:

Popularity: Ranked # 220 out of 90,627 users with profiles!

take that!

Seriously people, Iraq isn't some pushover country. Afghnistan was so unstable when we came in that it was easy to eliminate most of the forces there. Unfortunately, the media portrays ALL arabs as burqa wearing fanatics who use 50-year-old rifles and knives. But Iraq isn't just going to collapse "beneath our American might", they've had a lot of time to mull over a good military strategy against the U.S. believe me, if they have the bombs and we start a war then I can assure that there will be THOUSANDS of citizen casualties of U.S. citizens. This isn't something we can start and watch from afar, we are all a part of this. Even if you are not in the military, if you start a war then you are running the risk of dying for your country (whether or not you're masturbating while they drop a bomb on you). The government represents us, so any mistake THEY make is a mistake that WE make. "Go to war? SURE!!! HAVE FUN!!! What? A draft? Naw, I'll stay at home to wait and see if my old neighborhood is in shambles tomorrow."

Very true. Most Americans think that a war with Iraq will take place way over there. They can sit behind their TVs and watch news clips or hear David Letterman's latest joke about Saddam. That's it... and after a few monthes we win and come home. Americans are happy and so what if they stepped on the toes of the rest of the countries in the world. America is not invincible. It has lost wars, despite what some say.

Ever hear of Vietnam? It was only 30 years ago that young people were being rushed over to a far off jungle to die. The undraftable 50+ year olds will have no problem sending us cannon fodder over to arab countries. It could definitely happen. Who would have thought that a draft would have been necessary for a country like Vietnam? They hardly had any resources to start with, yet we sent thousands. Another draft is always a possibility, I have my FUCKING card to prove it. I'm not going to die because W thinks he's going to take on all the troubles in the world.

I would only fight for a cause I see fit. Some fat cats aren't going to say when and why I die.

Many of you may have noticed the new poll by now! Are there any burning questions on anyone's minds? I'm open to poll suggestions!

-
You might make a poll-page, filled with good, neutral, mindless polls. Then you'd see what polls people like to take and which ones they don't want to touch with a stick.
Example polls:

worth something:
*) Should your public profile be viewable from the Sign-In! page ? (no profile-search needed)

neutral:
*) Will you be deleting your old characters from EQ1 when Everquest 2 comes out in 2003

mindless:
*) Do you think cow-tipping is ok and a valid hobby ?
(I do)

New Polls! Yippie

At 10/24/02 01:29 AM, VasIndustries wrote:

Seriously people, Iraq isn't some pushover country. Afghnistan was so unstable when we came in that it was easy to eliminate most of the forces there. Unfortunately, the media portrays ALL arabs as burqa wearing fanatics who use 50-year-old rifles and knives. But Iraq isn't just going to collapse "beneath our American might", they've had a lot of time to mull over a good military strategy against the U.S. believe me, if they have the bombs and we start a war then I can assure that there will be THOUSANDS of citizen casualties of U.S. citizens. This isn't something we can start and watch from afar, we are all a part of this. Even if you are not in the military, if you start a war then you are running the risk of dying for your country (whether or not you're masturbating while they drop a bomb on you). The government represents us, so any mistake THEY make is a mistake that WE make. "Go to war? SURE!!! HAVE FUN!!! What? A draft? Naw, I'll stay at home to wait and see if my old neighborhood is in shambles tomorrow."

Very true. Most Americans think that a war with Iraq will take place way over there. They can sit behind their TVs and watch news clips or hear David Letterman's latest joke about Saddam. That's it... and after a few monthes we win and come home. Americans are happy and so what if they stepped on the toes of the rest of the countries in the world. America is not invincible. It has lost wars, despite what some say.

Ever hear of Vietnam? It was only 30 years ago that young people were being rushed over to a far off jungle to die. The undraftable 50+ year olds will have no problem sending us cannon fodder over to arab countries. It could definitely happen. Who would have thought that a draft would have been necessary for a country like Vietnam? They hardly had any resources to start with, yet we sent thousands. Another draft is always a possibility, I have my FUCKING card to prove it. I'm not going to die because W thinks he's going to take on all the troubles in the world.

I would only fight for a cause I see fit. Some fat cats aren't going to say when and why I die.

I agree totally... that is all.

i just want people to know that the decisions that we make, even from dumbasses and nazis, effect everyone. One guy does make a difference. It was fairly quickly that we compared all of the afghani people to osama bin laden, 1 man. it was incredibly quickly that we began to associate the Iraqi people by Saddam, one man. Just as America is viewed and compared by George W., one man. The american government can get away with LOTS of shit that we don't know about (no, this isn't a conspiracy theory) if we aren't active enough in politics.
The government makes decisions based upon the inhabitants of the country, but if the inhabitants don't care then the government can literally do whatever they want to the populus. BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND YOU OR IT WILL PASS YOU BY AND DO IT'S DAMAGE.

At 10/23/02 08:38 PM, xitosucks wrote: Because most people on NG are dumbasses that don't have strong opinions on political issues.

My opinion on the reason we should not kill Saddam is this. After some mild research I found this information on www.MSNBC.com website. It mentions information on Saddams 2 sons who are supposed to take over in Saddams place.

Saddam, a mad man when his 2 sons were children would take them to the torture chambers to watch him in work. By the age of 5 his 2 sons and already witnessed over 100 murders. As they got older though, so did there love for death and power.

Saddams oldest son, a drunk actually in drunken anger would shoot people for the hell of it. Woman fear being near him because he orders his men to grab the woman so he can rape them.

Saddams youngest son, quite, yet deadly is the actually person who is suppost to take Saddams place. He is his fathers right hand man. He controlls Saddams whole security force.

What people do not see that Saddam in power is a good thing. He may kill people, but imagine if we killed Saddam. His sons are the type who would not hesitate to use his chemicals weapons. Has Bush even bothered to look at those 2? Sure, intelligences know all about them. Is Bush planning on kill those 2? Nope, thought never crossed his mind.

A quote i remember from Bush is him talking about Saddam how he killed his neighbors, friends, and some americans who decided to cross him. But you know what he added after he said that? "And most of all, he tried to kill my father." Does this sound like a political war or just something personal?

Should we even worry about that when currently we have a threat in the united states with all these recent shootings in Washington D.C.? Nope.

Befor you vote, think about what Bush could be opening. Remember, when Japan bombed us and we used the Nuke, well imagine that but about 10 times worse using disease which can travel.

Please pardon my bad grammer, im tired. I just read that and noticed how bad it was. Read it slowly and you may understand what I said.

At 10/24/02 02:09 AM, PrinceNova wrote:

A quote i remember from Bush is him talking about Saddam how he killed his neighbors, friends, and some americans who decided to cross him. But you know what he added after he said that? "And most of all, he tried to kill my father." Does this sound like a political war or just something personal?

Should we even worry about that when currently we have a threat in the united states with all these recent shootings in Washington D.C.? Nope.

Befor you vote, think about what Bush could be opening. Remember, when Japan bombed us and we used the Nuke, well imagine that but about 10 times worse using disease which can travel.

Precisely. I had heard about his sons before, about the executions and such. I'm not saying it's not bad that Saddam is doing shit like this and I'm not saying we shouldn't do something about it, but how many people here want to risk going to war, something that might involve drafting of every male over 18, so that our leader can settle a personal vendetta with someone who threatened his father? Go ahead and say so. The truth is, it's not our business as Americans to solve the rest of the world's problems (nor do we have the capability), so why the hell are we getting ourselves into wars that don't immediately involve us? Just to jump in and play hero? We are now thought of as a JOKE in most other countries because whenever there is some sort of skirmish AMERICAN military forces always show up, trying to break up the fight as if the U.S. was the daddy and we were telling the wittle childwen to stop fighting or they need to go to their own countries and think about what they've done. Hint: most other countries have been around MUCH longer than the U.S. has, and they are truly not our responsibility, nor do we have the right to parade around everyone with our military, waving our flag. If the U.N. had requested U.S. armed forces assistance because they honestly thought they needed our help, then damn straight I would be behind George W all the way, he'd be doing his job. Standing by and watching something make a mess, and then coming in afterwards and giving a speech about it doesn't make you a leader, it makes you speech-deliverer. I will once again remind you that we don't WANT to elect a speech-giver, we want to elect someone that's honestly going to do something. In case you haven't noticed, W hasn't really been "leading" us through anything, he's merely been there to say "bomb it" and give a slow, painful speech afterward using bad english. Oh well, i didn't vote for him.

At 10/23/02 05:29 PM, TomFulp wrote: Many of you may have noticed the new poll by now! That's right, we finally replaced the poll about video game mascots! Expect to see new polls on a much more regular basis from now on, as we finally have a good system in place for creating polls. Are there any burning questions on anyone's minds? I'm open to poll suggestions!

I would also like to see a poll on changes made to the site and what everybody thinks

um well isnt that the essence of being a democrat? ah how nice it is to know that under clinton billions were lost in the education department. literally lost. what about his patriotic move that armed chinas ICBM missiles. not that bush is any better but it not his fault the goverment is shit. until people realize that 40-50% taxes and big goverment will never work the country will be a cesspool of politicians sucking the dicks of the only people who vote.....geezers( social security that cant be privitized just loses money, PRESCRIPTION DRUG CARE!!? the only way that the ole USA can get out of debt is to treat the goverment like a business.

I think this guy was against Clinton, I mean yes he messed up in the beginnning but look at how we were when he left! When he left office, we were actually able to pay off the interest on the National Debt, the first time in the history of our country! But what did good old George W. do with the surplus? Put it into the National Debt to take care of some of it like Gore was going to do? No, he gave everyone a "tax refund" which was great for the rich but for us middle-income families, it was pathetic. Also, our economy was going great thanks to Clinton's economic plan, which Bush scrapped for a plan similar to Reagans, which caused the stock market crash in 1988. Just one last thing, not all wars are helpful to the economy. Just look at WWI, it helped boom our economy while it was going on but after it ended, we went into a depression. Also, I agreee that if given a choice, if given a choice, I'd rather have Saddam in office than his sons.