Im really getting sick of this kinda shit. Its going to be a really long time before someone steps up and fights this shit. what ever happened to the original cause of America, freedom? but if you look back there never has been really, us minors dont have rights. Land Of The Free? my ass.
Relax buddies. This isnt the first crazy scheme i have heard, and it certainly wont be the last. Its just news and hype. More than likely it wont pass. Or it will be ammeded so much that it would have the power of a kitten on valium, and fade away in to fineprint. The government will end up printing warning labels on CD burners "it is illegal to copy CD's" ect.
Dont get ya knickers in knots. Once i heard a similar thing about banning pornography on the internet. Did they? Hell no! hahahh YEAH RIGHT! That half cocked idea lasted a good nanosecond and contradicted all our beliefs in truth and freedom (and porn). Relax, these ideas come and go and are just news hype.
I already have my hardware and software. Just as you guys do. They cant take that away from us. We already own it. Be practical. Just dont buy "copywrite safe" software and hardware. Stick to the old stuff. No matter how they construct software and hardware to avoid piracy, there is always a way around it. There are always hackers and backyard manufacturers out there doing a great service to society. Remember playstation mod chips? Remember 'unhackable' microsoft security on software, in which patches were released from pirates within weeks?
Buddy's. Take it from Uncle Disco. Its a big fat nothing. Its just a curious article and rumour in the newspaper.
like this is going to stop anything, so many groups (IRC being my favorite) have already found ways around it. removing files from here, tweaking that burner there, they STILL are going to have to deal with piracy but now it's personal :-P
This whole situation is similar to the recent reports of "policeware" a new plan to include speiclaised chips within all hardware that will monitor and control use of electronic data. Meaning that while they wont be able to see exactly what your doing, they will be able to stop you doing it. I'm not sure of the exact details or truths but I think it's either being pushed by or is called the SCSAA. goto www.userfriendly.org. They have a small article on it.
At 3/25/02 09:22 AM, Reaper-n wrote: This whole situation is similar to the recent reports of "policeware" a new plan to include speiclaised chips within all hardware that will monitor and control use of electronic data. Meaning that while they wont be able to see exactly what your doing, they will be able to stop you doing it. I'm not sure of the exact details or truths but I think it's either being pushed by or is called the SCSAA. goto www.userfriendly.org. They have a small article on it.
I've done a bit more research and it seems that this new act used to be called the "sssca" but has now been reformed to the "CBDTPA" If this law was passed it would be another blow to digital freedom. The net is the last bastion of true free speech. It's up to us to defend it.
Dont get ya knickers in knots. Once i heard a similar thing about banning pornography on the internet. Did they? Hell no! hahahh YEAH RIGHT! That half cocked idea lasted a good nanosecond and contradicted all our beliefs in truth and freedom (and porn). Relax, these ideas come and go and are just news hype.
It didnt GO anywhere. internet groups, Civil liberties advocates, and perverts all united to put this kitten down now we have to do it again. Now's not the time to say 'aint gonna happen.' We, the people, must always be prepared for any threat to liberty, be it saddam hussein or joe lieberman.
At 3/24/02 08:53 AM, fire wrote: fuckj them I can burn CD's and rip mp3's If I want bastards Fuck you
MP3's are frickin' kewl :s
I don't think that will be much of a problem here.
I live in Holland :D.
Holy shit this is bad. I have always enquired my media by legal means, and i support copyright and stuff, but this will leave us with no rights. What sucks even more is that im british, and i cant do that fax thing! noooooooo
At 3/23/02 07:37 PM, TomFulp wrote: There is currently something going on that everyone should be aware of. Please read this statement by my friend Rob:
Recently introduced legislation in the Senate by Sen. Fritz Hollings, D-S.C. (aka "The Senator from Disney"), entitled "Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Act" is aimed at enforcing government mandated copy protection to be built into consumer devices. This means things like computers, pdas, and other home electronics will disallow copyrighted media duplication at the hardware level. No more burning either for the sake of blatant copying or genuinely backing up your media. No more MP3 ripping, etc. I don't pretend that duping copyrighted material for the wrong purposes is not wrong, but the media industries using the government to enforce the issue is. There are such things as fair use, and the legal right to back up copies. These rights are being infringed upon. Major supporters for include Walt Disney and the RIAA, major supporters against include the Business Software Alliance, the Consumer Electronics Association (as well as many technology firms in general).
In general this legislation will take rights away from consumers and put undue restrictions on technology companies who must now implement copy protection schemes into their products. Where do you think the money to R&D and implement this is going to come from? The media industry certainly isn't going to be paying for it. We as consumers are already paying surcharges on media products to cover the costs related to piracy.
Even if you are a staunch supporter of copyright, you have to realize that the government getting involved will not solve the issue. If you have a moment, drop your senators a quick e-mail. You can find them at www.senate.gov.
BUT WAIT... There is more! Here is an update from DIGITALCONSUMER.ORG:
On March 21st, the CBDTPA became an official bill. This is bad news because it means that there's a real chance that it could become a law. Not only will this bill further erode your personal use rights, but it will mandate that every electronic media device must be built with goverment-standardized security technology. If passed, this bill will be very bad news for those of us who are concerned about our rights in the digital age.
Please fill out this form to have a FAX sent on your behalf:
http://www.digitalconsumer.org/cbdtpa/mfax.html
It just takes a second - so please do it!
BTW, Ripping MP3s is both Legal and (more importantly) NOT BAD. You only move into the darkness when you start distributing them. This Law will allow the media companies to stop you from doing something you have every right to do.
Having said that, I live in Ireland and my Government couldn't find it's own dick with out at least 4 tribunals, let alone introduce a complex law like this so I should be safe for a while.....
....Hang on, most media comes from the US!!! ah shit I'm fucked too, NOOOOOOOOOO!
Alright. I already wrote a letter to one of my senators. Now I'm going to commentate on what I see in these message postings.
For those of you who say it doesn't matter because everyone will figure a way around the chip, you're right & wrong. You're right in a de facto sense. This is how you're wrong:
You're wrong because what we are talking about here is not a proceedure, it's a principle. Hey, I'll pretend I'm a senator. I don't like Felix the Cat, so I'm going to outlaw viewing his show. You can still watch it. But if you get busted, it's a crime. Probably not much of a crime. Probably just a lot of paperwork and some time out of your busy evening. But now---in case you weren't before---you're a criminal.
It gets worse. The reason I outlawed watching Felix the Cat is because he is not connected with a big agency like Disney or Warner Bros. See, what I am saying with my little law is those big agencies are legitimate, but small family ones ain't. I am not saying that expressly.
I am framing it through inference.
Which means I am saying it, nonetheless.
Is it againt the law to use copyright material without the owner's permission?
Sure.
But it is against the spirit of the law to completely outlaw the effective parodying of large corporate icons. This is America. This is where you are supposedly guaranteed the pursuit of happiness. Guaranteed liberty. Those are abstractions---but nonetheless, I don't remember voting for the Walt Disney corporation as President of the United States, I don't remember voting for Time/Warner as one of my state senators. I did not see where it was written in the constitution that life, liberty and the pursuit of at least a modicum of contentedness are the registered trademarks of businesses with a certain international accounting rating in their bookkeeping.
I didn't see that at all. And if I did, that sure as shit isn't America.
For those of you who are anarchists, who think you will never have any use for the law, I got news for you: there is no such thing as a career criminal. Sooner or later, you will obey some system of law---even rogue nations have representatives who speak for the people, even tyrants have lieutenants who act with consideration to their subordinate foot soldiers.
For those of you planning on writing your senator, I have some advice. First thing: try to spell his name right. Second thing: don't try to sound learned and brilliant if you're neither. Third: try to find the spinal fortitude to mail the thing. Just because you're young doesn't mean you're not a potential voter. Most senators are senators for life. You are their future constituency.
Or, if you do nothing else, at least sign the damn petition. This nation is supposed to be about something besides money. It's high-time it started looking that way.
At 3/23/02 07:37 PM, TomFulp wrote: There is currently something going on that everyone should be aware of. Please read this statement by my friend Rob:
Recently introduced legislation in the Senate by Sen. Fritz Hollings, D-S.C. (aka "The Senator from Disney"), entitled "Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Act" is aimed at enforcing government mandated copy protection to be built into consumer devices. This means things like computers, pdas, and other home electronics will disallow copyrighted media duplication at the hardware level. No more burning either for the sake of blatant copying or genuinely backing up your media. No more MP3 ripping, etc. I don't pretend that duping copyrighted material for the wrong purposes is not wrong, but the media industries using the government to enforce the issue is. There are such things as fair use, and the legal right to back up copies. These rights are being infringed upon. Major supporters for include Walt Disney and the RIAA, major supporters against include the Business Software Alliance, the Consumer Electronics Association (as well as many technology firms in general).
In general this legislation will take rights away from consumers and put undue restrictions on technology companies who must now implement copy protection schemes into their products. Where do you think the money to R&D and implement this is going to come from? The media industry certainly isn't going to be paying for it. We as consumers are already paying surcharges on media products to cover the costs related to piracy.
Even if you are a staunch supporter of copyright, you have to realize that the government getting involved will not solve the issue. If you have a moment, drop your senators a quick e-mail. You can find them at www.senate.gov.
BUT WAIT... There is more! Here is an update from DIGITALCONSUMER.ORG:
On March 21st, the CBDTPA became an official bill. This is bad news because it means that there's a real chance that it could become a law. Not only will this bill further erode your personal use rights, but it will mandate that every electronic media device must be built with goverment-standardized security technology. If passed, this bill will be very bad news for those of us who are concerned about our rights in the digital age.
Please fill out this form to have a FAX sent on your behalf:
http://www.digitalconsumer.org/cbdtpa/mfax.html
It just takes a second - so please do it!
This shit is gay like Nathan Lane. wut a bunch of dog shit, fuck fuck fuck
At 3/23/02 07:37 PM, TomFulp wrote: There is currently something going on that everyone should be aware of. Please read this statement by my friend Rob:
Recently introduced legislation in the Senate by Sen. Fritz Hollings, D-S.C. (aka "The Senator from Disney"), entitled "Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Act" is aimed at enforcing government mandated copy protection to be built into consumer devices. This means things like computers, pdas, and other home electronics will disallow copyrighted media duplication at the hardware level. No more burning either for the sake of blatant copying or genuinely backing up your media. No more MP3 ripping, etc. I don't pretend that duping copyrighted material for the wrong purposes is not wrong, but the media industries using the government to enforce the issue is. There are such things as fair use, and the legal right to back up copies. These rights are being infringed upon. Major supporters for include Walt Disney and the RIAA, major supporters against include the Business Software Alliance, the Consumer Electronics Association (as well as many technology firms in general).
In general this legislation will take rights away from consumers and put undue restrictions on technology companies who must now implement copy protection schemes into their products. Where do you think the money to R&D and implement this is going to come from? The media industry certainly isn't going to be paying for it. We as consumers are already paying surcharges on media products to cover the costs related to piracy.
Even if you are a staunch supporter of copyright, you have to realize that the government getting involved will not solve the issue. If you have a moment, drop your senators a quick e-mail. You can find them at www.senate.gov.
BUT WAIT... There is more! Here is an update from DIGITALCONSUMER.ORG:
On March 21st, the CBDTPA became an official bill. This is bad news because it means that there's a real chance that it could become a law. Not only will this bill further erode your personal use rights, but it will mandate that every electronic media device must be built with goverment-standardized security technology. If passed, this bill will be very bad news for those of us who are concerned about our rights in the digital age.
Please fill out this form to have a FAX sent on your behalf:
http://www.digitalconsumer.org/cbdtpa/mfax.html
It just takes a second - so please do it!
I just want to say a big Fuck you to the senate so we have our own write to burn what we chose assholes
At 3/23/02 07:37 PM, TomFulp wrote: There is currently something going on that everyone should be aware of. Please read this statement by my friend Rob:
Recently introduced legislation in the Senate by Sen. Fritz Hollings, D-S.C. (aka "The Senator from Disney"), entitled "Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Act" is aimed at enforcing government mandated copy protection to be built into consumer devices. This means things like computers, pdas, and other home electronics will disallow copyrighted media duplication at the hardware level. No more burning either for the sake of blatant copying or genuinely backing up your media. No more MP3 ripping, etc. I don't pretend that duping copyrighted material for the wrong purposes is not wrong, but the media industries using the government to enforce the issue is. There are such things as fair use, and the legal right to back up copies. These rights are being infringed upon. Major supporters for include Walt Disney and the RIAA, major supporters against include the Business Software Alliance, the Consumer Electronics Association (as well as many technology firms in general).
In general this legislation will take rights away from consumers and put undue restrictions on technology companies who must now implement copy protection schemes into their products. Where do you think the money to R&D and implement this is going to come from? The media industry certainly isn't going to be paying for it. We as consumers are already paying surcharges on media products to cover the costs related to piracy.
Even if you are a staunch supporter of copyright, you have to realize that the government getting involved will not solve the issue. If you have a moment, drop your senators a quick e-mail. You can find them at www.senate.gov.
BUT WAIT... There is more! Here is an update from DIGITALCONSUMER.ORG:
On March 21st, the CBDTPA became an official bill. This is bad news because it means that there's a real chance that it could become a law. Not only will this bill further erode your personal use rights, but it will mandate that every electronic media device must be built with goverment-standardized security technology. If passed, this bill will be very bad news for those of us who are concerned about our rights in the digital age.
Please fill out this form to have a FAX sent on your behalf:
http://www.digitalconsumer.org/cbdtpa/mfax.html
It just takes a second - so please do it!
blah blah blah! Who cares.. there's only a 10% chance that this bill could become a law! Did you know that? Anyway... you should fix up your site because i can't vote or deposit!
Yea thats all fine and dandy tom but WTF is up with ng?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?! no popularity ranks no balmming no deposits?!!?!? WWWTTTFFF?!?!?!?! seriously d00d im sure this is pissing off most NG users and most share my opinion and on top of that u will most likely not read this but ow well gotta say my opinion somwhere.
Also wtf is up with "my mql" or something along those lines?!?!?!? makes no fucking sence! fix the site tom! i used to love NG now its full of errors and no blams! Ow my dear blams!!! where art tho!!?!?!!?!?
How Do You Make All Those Games? Send Me The Software Please At super_saiyan_goten_01@yahoo.com THANKS, BYE
By taking away are right to copy things such as mp3 or other things there taking away are freedom of speech. If they do install these chips they will also have to take all there networked computers and buy each computer an internet connection for each computer. Truley these companies are morons.
This just goes to show how big companies in Coporate America control the government when the government should be controlling them.
At 3/25/02 11:22 PM, Kauerz wrote: This just goes to show how big companies in Coporate America control the government when the government should be controlling them.
I'm also an aussie. Like holdenrocks69 said is his msg, with John Howard having his lips halfway up Bush's arse, not long until us Aussies will have the same thing happen to us.
Fuck this, I'll keep burning shit for as long as I want.
Copyright SUX wast amount of german hippo dick!
I mean when the recordcompany's buy cd's to sell then the cd's cost less than a condom, but still they manage to sell them for a prize so high it makes me GAG!
There should be a law AGAINST copyright!
Way to fucking go Democarcy
When will everyone learn that Democarcy only helps the rich
Sounds to me like a fancy cover for a step closer to Big Brother. What is this counrty coming to? It used to be that the people ran the government. Now it seems more the other way around. It's just another stepping stone in the road to erroded liberty.
Ok. What the fuck is this? Denying us the right to our digital media? Is that the reason CD burners are so cheap now. I support copyrights BUT I also know that we have "rights" to the material after we buy it. So should i toss my Mp3 player and my new 40x cd burner?
Thank god for digital back up because my car was broken into and my Cds were taken... all 200+ of them. Thank god I backed them up to my HD. Boycott Disney. Back up all your cds to your hard drive and use a file sharing program such as DIRECT CONNECT or WINMX. SHARE THE FILES... DO WHAT THEY WANT TO STOP... FUCK THE GOVT.
Peace out
DQ
This is a total violation of consumer rights, privacy, and enjoyment of multimedia...I hope that everyone will take the time to fax thier senator on your own behalf with complaints against this....
fuck....i didn't want the pic to be THAT big. OR in that position....oh well
At 3/26/02 03:50 PM, bl00dy_hyBriD wrote: This is a total violation of consumer rights, privacy, and enjoyment of multimedia...I hope that everyone will take the time to fax thier senator on your own behalf with complaints against this....
I did, did you?
My thoughts on the matter
At 3/24/02 11:14 PM, DiscoD wrote: Relax buddies. This isnt the first crazy scheme i have heard, and it certainly wont be the last. Its just news and hype. More than likely it wont pass. Or it will be ammeded so much that it would have the power of a kitten on valium, and fade away in to fineprint. The government will end up printing warning labels on CD burners "it is illegal to copy CD's" ect.
Dont get ya knickers in knots. Once i heard a similar thing about banning pornography on the internet. Did they? Hell no! hahahh YEAH RIGHT! That half cocked idea lasted a good nanosecond and contradicted all our beliefs in truth and freedom (and porn). Relax, these ideas come and go and are just news hype.
Actually, I saw a documentery/commentary on PBS stating that Ashcroft and all of his govt. cronies were going to go all out DEFCON 5 on PORN in the fall of 2001. However, since 9/11 happened...their focus has been on more important things (i.e. Blasting the hell out of Afghanistan)
So, it's only a matter of time before they come back around to censor the internet.
At 3/26/02 06:53 PM, ElCaudillo wrote: So, it's only a matter of time before they come back around to censor the internet.
It'll never happen :) Internet is pretty much impossible to censor completely. Anyway, there's soooo much money in the sex industry, no government would seriously consider trying to destroy it. It'd be like stabbing yourself 'cause you don't like the look of your belly-button!
I'm glad other people are getting pissed about this. This is pure and utter bullshit and this isn't the beginning or the end. What about DVD Jon? He was the kid in Norway who put DVD macrovision (copy protection) code on his website and was arrested for it. Protestors wore t-shirts with the source code outside the police station. Or what about Dmitry Sklyarov, the Russian who was arrested for selling a program which cracked Adobe e-books? If those assholes would have spent half their lawyer $ on security and programming, the shit would not have happened. What the hell is up with pay-per-view books anyway? This is not just a USA issue, corporations are global and so is their reach and policies. Writing senators is not enough. Check out http://www.rtmark.com for more ideas. It's time for a cyber tea party gentlemen...
Let me start out by saying is Texas is different. We stone infants for jaywalking. However, personal freedom is different. We are pretty big on that, including no state tax.
I personally have two rather ineffectual senators representing my state, Kay Bailey Hutchinson (who supports big oil) and Phil Graham (who runs in any party he can win with). However, there are alternatives to just Senators.
Governers have lots of power, rivaling federal power. If Wallace can stupidly bar segregation, if Huey P Long can run such a huge political machine in Louisiana and if the Governer of Illinois can pull a moratorium on the death penalty in his state, then they are closer to your issues, and they can be beneficial. Don't rule them out.
Don't stop there either. The judicial branch is a major power that is rare to have corruption. True they make stupid mistakes, like Jim Crowe laws, but they are more likely to be less biased than a bunch of fat congressmen on a committee taking potshots like a bunch of Joseph McCarthys. Petition the courts, get your justice.
This is what I wrote to my senators:
"Senator,
I am writing to voice my feelings on the Consumer Broadband and Digital
Television Act, a shortsighted bill that will create more problems then it will solve. I
for one am all for copywrites, as I feel it is important that any creative ventures I
attempt should be protected from plaguerism, but this overzealous act will cost the
taxpayers more money that is stretched thin as it is, and cause more antipathy with
the tech industry and the consumer in general.
In addition, those in my generation, the burgeoning college-age voters, have a
strong feeling about this subject, not for simple piracy, but because it not only limits
our freedom and choice in entertainment, it does not allow consumers to choose.
Older computers will become more in demand and the price will likely drop for
these new so-called "crippled" technologies.
I think we are not that silent of a majority. if 9% of a population of 500 million can
vote for a third party candidate, then you can see that those in my age and
demographic do feel strongly and will take action when we feel our words are not
heard.
I feel confident that my representative, of my state and of my people, will make
the right decision, despite my position. I have faith you will.
Respectfully,
Jacob Land
Austin, Texas"
Keep the hacker ethic. No, not some software cracking moron. I am talking Steve Wozniak, the "Wizard of Woz". Freedom of information, there is nothing more important than knowledge. Knowledge is power, as Bacon said. Computers are nothing but pure knowledge, don't let special interest groups cripple the power you hold intrinsically in your mind.
I tell you what, if Nader was president, he would have NEVER let the consumers be screwin the pooch like this. Don't just vent your anger here, run a candidate with your platform, write letters, VOICE YOUR OPINION!
Enough of my ramblings,
Jake
