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How do YOU make a song?

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How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-04 22:44:27


i don't know how to make music... it evades me completely. I have the tools! I've tinkered in so many programmes, jammed with so many instruments, but i've never put the pieces together in a way that feels good. sometimes I feel like those people who say they have aphantasia and can't "imagine an apple" image in their head... I have no idea how to turn the quiet into something that sounds okay! even if i try to make something that sucks, it doesn't even feel like a song to me, just some noise. i'd like to try, though.


Anyway, enough about me, tell me about YOU! What's your workflow? How do you get in the zone to make music? do you start with a drumbeat, do you start with a melody? how do you know when a song is done? what's your favourite part of making music? is music is your artistic medium of choice, tell me about it! maybe i'll understand a little more about the art if i listen to the artists? :) (also this is my first ng forum topic! hello!)

Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-05 00:32:28


At 11/4/23 10:44 PM, cccmccc wrote: i don't know how to make music... it evades me completely. I have the tools! I've tinkered in so many programmes, jammed with so many instruments, but i've never put the pieces together in a way that feels good. sometimes I feel like those people who say they have aphantasia and can't "imagine an apple" image in their head... I have no idea how to turn the quiet into something that sounds okay! even if i try to make something that sucks, it doesn't even feel like a song to me, just some noise. i'd like to try, though.

Anyway, enough about me, tell me about YOU! What's your workflow? How do you get in the zone to make music? do you start with a drumbeat, do you start with a melody? how do you know when a song is done? what's your favourite part of making music? is music is your artistic medium of choice, tell me about it! maybe i'll understand a little more about the art if i listen to the artists? :) (also this is my first ng forum topic! hello!)


Hello! And what an excellent question you have posed to us. It's funny because the advice I will give to someone who wants to make music but doesn't know how to is to just "make something anyway, even if it's eight seconds or if it's not very good", but that appears to not work for you. But never mind, maybe just reading about how other people make music will help you.


So, the thing is, my workflow is wildly inconsistent. I recently did a music project for Inktober where I wrote a song every day for each prompt and the only thing I had to go off of for each day other than the given word was a general vibe that I wanted. So for CHAINS I already knew I wanted it to be a fast song. For WANDER I had already had it in my head that I wanted it to feel a bit sad and I had even written some lyrics down that I wanted to use. However with that particular song I originally had it in my head that it was going to be a very slow, almost smooth-sounding song if that makes any sense? But what it turned out to be in the end was a sad, but somewhat upbeat song as well.


With both of the songs I just mentioned though, the first thing I did was just play around on my keyboard for a bit until something came to me that I thought would sound good. I mean it makes sense in a way, a Piano can either give you your chord progression or your melody (or both!) so why not start with it?


But another thing I noticed that I was doing, particularly for the later prompts, was that I would often start writing the Bass first. I think part of that for me was because I tend to make my bass lines very simple, so starting with Bass and making it slightly more complex then gives me a foundation for everything else. But really that's just me.


Drums are usually the second or third thing I do. I only ever do Drums first if I have a particular rhythm in my head that I want to use, but generally I find starting off with drums a bit hard. I find it's best to do melody and/or bass first and build the drums around them.


As for the other questions...how do I know a song is done? Well, I suppose for me it's "this song should end after this bit" or "Okay, now let's have all the instruments pull back and we'll end it". Stuff like that.


What's my favourite part of making music? That initial burst I get when something just clicks and I'm playing what I've made back and going "Yeah, this sounds awesome!".


Music is my artistic medium of choice mostly because I grew up with music. My father plays guitar and has written many songs with other people, he showed me how to make music at a young age with programs like eJay. I learnt how to play clarinet as a child, then self-taught myself how to play drums as a teen/young adult just because I wanted to. I listen to lot of music in my spare time. etc. I have written down MANY song and album ideas over the years that I would love to work on some day. Right now for me I'm still learning, but even for what I've made so far with my current knowledge I really like what I've done.


My advice would be, based on what you've said, is to listen to the type of music you WANT to make. Music often comes with some sort of story or message. What do you want to say? Is there a story you want to tell? Is there a message you want to convey to a listener? Do you just want to sing or rap about your own feelings or experiences? All of those and more are valid. Once you have that down, you may start forming ideas in your head. You may be able to "Imagine the Apple" as you put it. If you can do that, you will starting forging your own path.


Hope this all helps, and good luck! If you have any further questions feel free to DM me!


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Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-05 01:41:21


HI, maybe this can help you:

First I make a rithym, it can be a simple rock beat or a lofi beat or anything, you can start with 120 bpm and 4/4, if you don't like it, change bpm or the other thing i don't remember the name.

Then I make a melody, don't think too much it, play some notes until it sounds good for you, I usually choose a guitar or a piano and add some fx.

After that I make the chords, usually I just copy the melody track and move notes to make chords that sound good, with 2 chords you can make a song that sounds good to you, I usually use a bass, pads or leads for the chords.

Then the bassline, make a bassline that sounds similar to the melody, also don't think it too much.

I usually this structure: intro-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus.

Here are some tips if you want to make it better:

1- Make it SIMPLE, complex music doesn't mean good music or succesful music.

2- Watch videos about composing.

3- Get inspirations, things to use in your songs.

4- Last but not least, MAKE MUSIC YOU LIKE.

I hope that this text helped you.

Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-05 12:22:48


At 11/5/23 12:32 AM, TheJayJay wrote:
Hello! And what an excellent question you have posed to us. It's funny because the advice I will give to someone who wants to make music but doesn't know how to is to just "make something anyway, even if it's eight seconds or if it's not very good", but that appears to not work for you. But never mind, maybe just reading about how other people make music will help you.

So, the thing is, my workflow is wildly inconsistent. I recently did a music project for Inktober where I wrote a song every day for each prompt and the only thing I had to go off of for each day other than the given word was a general vibe that I wanted. So for CHAINS I already knew I wanted it to be a fast song. For WANDER I had already had it in my head that I wanted it to feel a bit sad and I had even written some lyrics down that I wanted to use. However with that particular song I originally had it in my head that it was going to be a very slow, almost smooth-sounding song if that makes any sense? But what it turned out to be in the end was a sad, but somewhat upbeat song as well.

With both of the songs I just mentioned though, the first thing I did was just play around on my keyboard for a bit until something came to me that I thought would sound good. I mean it makes sense in a way, a Piano can either give you your chord progression or your melody (or both!) so why not start with it?

But another thing I noticed that I was doing, particularly for the later prompts, was that I would often start writing the Bass first. I think part of that for me was because I tend to make my bass lines very simple, so starting with Bass and making it slightly more complex then gives me a foundation for everything else. But really that's just me.

Drums are usually the second or third thing I do. I only ever do Drums first if I have a particular rhythm in my head that I want to use, but generally I find starting off with drums a bit hard. I find it's best to do melody and/or bass first and build the drums around them.

As for the other questions...how do I know a song is done? Well, I suppose for me it's "this song should end after this bit" or "Okay, now let's have all the instruments pull back and we'll end it". Stuff like that.

What's my favourite part of making music? That initial burst I get when something just clicks and I'm playing what I've made back and going "Yeah, this sounds awesome!".

Music is my artistic medium of choice mostly because I grew up with music. My father plays guitar and has written many songs with other people, he showed me how to make music at a young age with programs like eJay. I learnt how to play clarinet as a child, then self-taught myself how to play drums as a teen/young adult just because I wanted to. I listen to lot of music in my spare time. etc. I have written down MANY song and album ideas over the years that I would love to work on some day. Right now for me I'm still learning, but even for what I've made so far with my current knowledge I really like what I've done.

My advice would be, based on what you've said, is to listen to the type of music you WANT to make. Music often comes with some sort of story or message. What do you want to say? Is there a story you want to tell? Is there a message you want to convey to a listener? Do you just want to sing or rap about your own feelings or experiences? All of those and more are valid. Once you have that down, you may start forming ideas in your head. You may be able to "Imagine the Apple" as you put it. If you can do that, you will starting forging your own path.

Hope this all helps, and good luck! If you have any further questions feel free to DM me!


Ooooh thank u so much for this breakdown! And thank you for linking your october project... a song every day is something that feels totally unfeasible to me haha! truly not my medium xDD I think growing up playing music and having fun w instruments is a really important aspect to making your own songs. I've always enjoyed drawing and I think the act the just putting something on paper has always been fun, so I feel that I zoomed past the "idk how to make a picture" phase as a kid without trying.... Sounds like it's the same for you with music as a kid!


I am listening to WANDER right now and theres such a comforting... i guess... synergy? Between the piano notes (the way the low notes compliment the high ones without just being chords) that feels like magic to me! Esp the bridge(?) part at 2:19! Like... sometimes when I try to make a song I don't know how to make all the different parts feel like they fit together rather than just being different sounds that are fine being played at the same time.. This is all very technical I think but I hope I'm doing a good job of explaining what I like and what i personally struggle with haha.


I like the idea of switching up where you start from, going from piano to bass... It seems like a different way of forming a song's identity. Turning a message into a series of sounds that help support the message is an incredibly difficult task for me, so I appreciate you breaking down how you might come across the right melody for a feeling you want. Super cool


Thank you again! This really helps me a lot, I love hearing artists talk about their processes!

Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-05 12:26:49


At 11/5/23 01:41 AM, ironmmlp wrote: HI, maybe this can help you:
First I make a rithym, it can be a simple rock beat or a lofi beat or anything, you can start with 120 bpm and 4/4, if you don't like it, change bpm or the other thing i don't remember the name.
Then I make a melody, don't think too much it, play some notes until it sounds good for you, I usually choose a guitar or a piano and add some fx.
After that I make the chords, usually I just copy the melody track and move notes to make chords that sound good, with 2 chords you can make a song that sounds good to you, I usually use a bass, pads or leads for the chords.
Then the bassline, make a bassline that sounds similar to the melody, also don't think it too much.
I usually this structure: intro-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus.
Here are some tips if you want to make it better:
1- Make it SIMPLE, complex music doesn't mean good music or succesful music.
2- Watch videos about composing.
3- Get inspirations, things to use in your songs.
4- Last but not least, MAKE MUSIC YOU LIKE.
I hope that this text helped you.


Thank you so much for this! Perhaps I'm a little too uh..... methodical about this, but a step-by-step breakdown really helps me with my own experiments.. Also, keeping it simple is such good advice haha. Sometimes I think "maybe if I add this it'll sound like something" but that's probably making it harder for me xD


Do you rec any videos or articles about composing? I've tried watching a few but I'm always happy to watch more!

Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-05 14:14:30


Usually I just randomly go to FL and start to find some sounds. And after I find two or three interesting ones I'm trying to add everything else around them. Not gonna go very deep in details, but the main process looks just like this.


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Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-05 15:14:13


At 11/5/23 12:26 PM, cccmccc wrote:
At 11/5/23 01:41 AM, ironmmlp wrote: HI, maybe this can help you:
First I make a rithym, it can be a simple rock beat or a lofi beat or anything, you can start with 120 bpm and 4/4, if you don't like it, change bpm or the other thing i don't remember the name.
Then I make a melody, don't think too much it, play some notes until it sounds good for you, I usually choose a guitar or a piano and add some fx.
After that I make the chords, usually I just copy the melody track and move notes to make chords that sound good, with 2 chords you can make a song that sounds good to you, I usually use a bass, pads or leads for the chords.
Then the bassline, make a bassline that sounds similar to the melody, also don't think it too much.
I usually this structure: intro-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus.
Here are some tips if you want to make it better:
1- Make it SIMPLE, complex music doesn't mean good music or succesful music.
2- Watch videos about composing.
3- Get inspirations, things to use in your songs.
4- Last but not least, MAKE MUSIC YOU LIKE.
I hope that this text helped you.
Thank you so much for this! Perhaps I'm a little too uh..... methodical about this, but a step-by-step breakdown really helps me with my own experiments.. Also, keeping it simple is such good advice haha. Sometimes I think "maybe if I add this it'll sound like something" but that's probably making it harder for me xD

Do you rec any videos or articles about composing? I've tried watching a few but I'm always happy to watch more!


Thanks for the comment!! I recomend the videos from a guy called "Jaime Altozano" he is a spanish guy that makes great videos about music, music production, and that all. There's also a guy named Alex Rome, he makes videos about music production and that all.

Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-05 22:56:08


You said you've jammed with many things. Do you have favourites so far? Start with these. Pick two or three of them. Maybe its a piano, a synth, a yukulele, a drum kit, some effect tools.


Use these "instruments" to tell us exactly what you wrote in your opening post, instead of using your voice.


Salut!

I create 3D art here, and you can listen to my album there! Comments/Feedback appreciated.

Merci!

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Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-06 07:55:33


At 11/4/23 10:44 PM, cccmccc wrote: i don't know how to make music... it evades me completely. I have the tools! I've tinkered in so many programmes, jammed with so many instruments, but i've never put the pieces together in a way that feels good. sometimes I feel like those people who say they have aphantasia and can't "imagine an apple" image in their head... I have no idea how to turn the quiet into something that sounds okay! even if i try to make something that sucks, it doesn't even feel like a song to me, just some noise. i'd like to try, though.

Anyway, enough about me, tell me about YOU! What's your workflow? How do you get in the zone to make music? do you start with a drumbeat, do you start with a melody? how do you know when a song is done? what's your favourite part of making music? is music is your artistic medium of choice, tell me about it! maybe i'll understand a little more about the art if i listen to the artists? :) (also this is my first ng forum topic! hello!)


Welcome to the NG Audio forum, so lets start on how I do my stuffs

I have a great workflow of starting a song from an idea, jamming and refining that idea then start a new one then refine the new idea, completely abandoning the first one, jam to my second idea then make a new idea and process repeats. So I cant really release any song except for one thing, deadlines, they drive me to work on an idea whether I like it or not. And those deadlines are good because it forces you to like work efficient, fast while pumping those creative fluids, basically like Speed Painting. I give myself a time limit or join a competition, join a Collab like this new Break It Up Collab, this forces my brain to think about fear of getting rejected because I didnt finished a task intended for me. Thats how my workflow is, so which is why most of my songs came from either a competition or a collab thing.


So while my time is ticking how do I start a song, depends on what I feel like, I sometimes start with a drum beat if I want to get the feel of the groove and if I want that as my main focus of my songs, if I want to make a song which is main focus is melodical then I start with a Chord Progression and a melody, If I want it to be sound design centered then I just design random weird sounds then if I have a bunch of them I just sort them, make a pattern, melody or a groove. Most of my ideas are inspirations or accidents which is fine but if you are trying to make something as exactly as what on my mind, I couldnt or I can but its extremely difficult. I dont really know if I have Aphantasia because I certainly imagine but its more of an abstract than realistic. How do I know if my song is done? If deadline is very near and if I feel like I couldnt add any more, I like adding ear candies but theres a limit or it will sound very messy, most of the time I export the song then put it on my phone then play it so I can hear what my track sounds like in a different view and if I dont like something then too bad because I cant change because this hour is deadline, but I learn from those mistakes and apply those things Ive learned in a new idea. Thats basically it.

Hope you read and enjoyed and find it helpful.


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Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-06 09:11:56


At 11/4/23 10:44 PM, cccmccc wrote: i don't know how to make music... it evades me completely. I have the tools! I've tinkered in so many programmes, jammed with so many instruments, but i've never put the pieces together in a way that feels good. sometimes I feel like those people who say they have aphantasia and can't "imagine an apple" image in their head... I have no idea how to turn the quiet into something that sounds okay! even if i try to make something that sucks, it doesn't even feel like a song to me, just some noise. i'd like to try, though.

Anyway, enough about me, tell me about YOU! What's your workflow? How do you get in the zone to make music? do you start with a drumbeat, do you start with a melody? how do you know when a song is done? what's your favourite part of making music? is music is your artistic medium of choice, tell me about it! maybe i'll understand a little more about the art if i listen to the artists? :) (also this is my first ng forum topic! hello!)


I start with a beat. Then in my head I think what sounds can I put in that beat to make it sound good and I try to find the good sound that can mix with the beat. And I do it again, again and again until the song sounds good for me. Probably is not the best way to do a song but is the most easy for me Dx


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Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-06 09:19:29 (edited 2023-11-06 09:24:33)


When coming up with songs I have two principles that make my workflow super fast:


  1. Melody informs language and prosody,
  2. Prosody informs melody.


Let me break it down for you:


Melody informs language and prosody


If I write a melody, I listen for where the strong beats on it fall. I try and compare it to speech, especially on a given subject, and then I write my words based on the strong and weak points I hear.


Typically when this happens I'd go for chords first to set the mood, then write a melody up top that will inform the words I write.


I'm bilingual and write in English and French. Some melodies lend themselves better to French because of stronger beats in second syllables, and when you're singing in multiple languages you understand strong and weak points in melodies better, and how they relate to language.


Prosody informs melody


Sometimes I can only have a set of lyrics, words that come strongly to me. But, like speech, those words will have their strong and weak points.


By those alone — no chord notation, nothing — am I able to come up with a melody and hear the whole song structure in my head.


All of this, by the way, was taught to me with a simple example. Say for example you have the phrase "My heart leaps up when I behold a rainbow in the sky."


The prosody of this would be:


My heart leaps up when I behold a rainbow in the sky


So then, you can write melodies that fall in the same strong and weak points as this, and then everything else just flows from there.

Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-06 12:09:08


I find the best way for me is to try humming the melody / imagining it singed by someone. I like starting with the melody and especially the rhythm aspect of it.


although sometimes I might start by laying down piano chords and melodies without thinking too much but just by feel. There's time later to make adjustment, so starting out should be more about letting dem creative juices flow imo.


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Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-06 12:32:53


Hi there! I personally usually start with a riff or lyrics. I write a lot, and so words usually come to me long before any music does. Sometimes I'll try to write music that fits the words or words that fit the music. However, what usually happens is that I come up with a guitar riff or chord progression and then another, and then another, and then I'll try to stitch together the ones that fit and make... something that makes sense? I'm quite new to this myself, but the main bit of advice I can give to you is that you just have to fuck around. Hit random keys/play random notes until you stumble on something interesting, music theory be damned.


"If the world can't provide you comfort, find someone who can comfort you in spite of the world." - Me lol

Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-07 10:18:35


It isn't easy to make something when you're staring at a blank page or project. Before I even sit down at my workstation, the first thing I do is write down a very general plan. It doesn't have to be complicated or too specific, it just needs enough information to remind me of what I'm doing, so I can stay on track. This plan usually consists of things like:


  1. The mood and/or message I want to send.
  2. The primary and secondary genres.
  3. The target length of the track.
  4. Key, modes to use, timing, and modulation.


Once I have that, I put it somewhere in front of me to reference in case I forget or get distracted.


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Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-07 16:04:13


it kinda just comes to me random, ill usually start with a random melody i make up and then try to add on to it. i tend to add the beat more towards the final part of the production but sometimes ill start with it first so i can have a more clear view on the tone and timing of the song

Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-07 19:35:09


In my case, I usually begin with a melody, since I like to tell stories or share feelings in my works. The next thing I do is a percussion base, to adjust the kind of "movement" I want in a song. I describe it this way because usually the percussion helps people move along to a song and feel a similar message in many different ways. Think of it like the pepper condiment of a song.


After that comes the hardest part for me, which is adding accompaniment instruments. My struggle in that part usually has to do most with finding a set of chords that's actually noticeable, but doesn't foreshadow the main melodies of the song, as well as picking instruments that actually fit in the song.


One important thing to remember is to make the progression in a song in a "non-linear movement". In nature, things don't move instantly to their highest speed, since they have something called "acceleration", and many other forces, which makes 'em move slow, and gradually gain speed until they reach their top. The same applies to our brains. A song must feel like it's building slowly, even if it's fastpaced, and equally, when the song is ending, you show deconstruct it carefully (not doing this causes the effect of a song suddenly stopping, which you can agree is never satisfactory).


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Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-09 01:18:00


At 11/4/23 10:44 PM, cccmccc wrote: i don't know how to make music... it evades me completely. I have the tools! I've tinkered in so many programmes, jammed with so many instruments, but i've never put the pieces together in a way that feels good. sometimes I feel like those people who say they have aphantasia and can't "imagine an apple" image in their head... I have no idea how to turn the quiet into something that sounds okay! even if i try to make something that sucks, it doesn't even feel like a song to me, just some noise. i'd like to try, though.

Anyway, enough about me, tell me about YOU! What's your workflow? How do you get in the zone to make music? do you start with a drumbeat, do you start with a melody? how do you know when a song is done? what's your favourite part of making music? is music is your artistic medium of choice, tell me about it! maybe i'll understand a little more about the art if i listen to the artists? :) (also this is my first ng forum topic! hello!)

welcome!

It varies for me but I've been doing this for almost 20 years. Sometimes I will begin with the core melody, sometimes the backing tracks first. It depends. Sometimes I will play with a whole bunch of sounds and noodle around with the ones i like. Nothing is set in stone. I usually am free form with it. I let the music guide me. I may have a general idea or plan, but 9/10 times i deviate from the original vision. One thing i try to stick to is this order: main components (melodies, counter-melodies, rhythm, percussion), then arrangement/sequencing, then effects, then mixing, then mastering.

Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-14 00:57:25


everyone the response to this has been wonderful!!


youve all given me such a wide range of responses, its a wee bit overwhelming but im thankful for everyone who's shared their process and ideas with me! i'd like to try and respond individually with any questions or comments i have, but please know that i really REALLY appreciate you all taking the time to answer me in this!

Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-11-14 12:15:55


I approach work in various ways, but this is my usual process.


I nearly ALWAYS start by humming something and imagining a beat with it, sometimes rubbishly beatboxing my idea. If I'm at home I record this, but often I'm just out and about humming into my phone like a crazy person.


I lay down 4 tracks - drums, bass, melody, chords - usually in this order. It's gonna be MIDI tracks 99% of the time. If I record instruments, I do so at the end.


If I don't like the way it's sounding at this point, I'll normally stop working on the track and work on something new. If I do like what I'm hearing, then I'll start adding new layers, counter melodies, harmonies, weird FX, etc.


Then I sleep, get a good rest, THEN revisit the piece. I find things always sound different further down the line, so give time and space for the thing to grow.


And that's pretty much it, save for a mix and a master!


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Response to How do YOU make a song? 2023-12-19 06:22:56


I inhale the sacred herb and get in the headspace.