At 1/17/20 09:52 PM, Aaron-Chandler wrote: Wait. What story are you even talking about? The OP is just asking about gun rights.
The story is on this page and it’s only a couple of posts above your own.
@Mr-Horror either totally ignored my question to his post or didn’t understand the news story. From his second response, it seems to be the latter.
At 1/18/20 02:40 PM, EdyKel wrote:At 1/18/20 12:15 PM, Mr-Horror wrote:At 1/18/20 04:59 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:At 1/18/20 12:15 AM, Mr-Horror wrote:... but the story isn’t about taking AR-15s away! It’s about removing the ability of individuals getting the sack when they go on strike!At 1/17/20 09:52 PM, Aaron-Chandler wrote: When it come right down to it, I don't want to give a government anymore power over its people than is absolutely necessary.If someone doesn't understand why giving the government to power to take away AR-15s is a bad idea, maybe they should ask themselves how they'd feel if the government could take uterine currettes away.Thank youPeople don't need weapons to hurt others just look at any antifa riots, they use any objects because people can kill other people, taking away protection make the people sitting ducks, just waiting to get attacked, but hey why would democrats admit that logic.The whole argument is that gun activists have become worst than SJWs by crying wolf over every small thing with the argument they are being persecuted, even when it has nothing to do with something unrelated other than trying to get attention for their own cause.
And nor can people justify why they need an AR-15, or how it is for self defense, when they are increasingly being used in the biggest mass shootings in this country's history.
Just because some people will use them in an incorrect or harmful way doesn't justify getting rid of them.
AR-15s have the same relationship with mass murder as Discord has with child porn. There are people using Discord to share child porn, but that doesn't mean Discord is for child porn, or that shutting Discord down will reduce the circulation of child porn in any meaningful way.
At 1/18/20 02:54 PM, Aaron-Chandler wrote:At 1/18/20 02:40 PM, EdyKel wrote:Just because some people will use them in an incorrect or harmful way doesn't justify getting rid of them.At 1/18/20 12:15 PM, Mr-Horror wrote:At 1/18/20 04:59 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:At 1/18/20 12:15 AM, Mr-Horror wrote:... but the story isn’t about taking AR-15s away! It’s about removing the ability of individuals getting the sack when they go on strike!At 1/17/20 09:52 PM, Aaron-Chandler wrote: When it come right down to it, I don't want to give a government anymore power over its people than is absolutely necessary.If someone doesn't understand why giving the government to power to take away AR-15s is a bad idea, maybe they should ask themselves how they'd feel if the government could take uterine currettes away.Thank youPeople don't need weapons to hurt others just look at any antifa riots, they use any objects because people can kill other people, taking away protection make the people sitting ducks, just waiting to get attacked, but hey why would democrats admit that logic.The whole argument is that gun activists have become worst than SJWs by crying wolf over every small thing with the argument they are being persecuted, even when it has nothing to do with something unrelated other than trying to get attention for their own cause.
And nor can people justify why they need an AR-15, or how it is for self defense, when they are increasingly being used in the biggest mass shootings in this country's history.
AR-15s have the same relationship with mass murder as Discord has with child porn. There are people using Discord to share child porn, but that doesn't mean Discord is for child porn, or that shutting Discord down will reduce the circulation of child porn in any meaningful way.
I think you have more people arrested for child porn than people who own an AR-15, with the latter being manufactured, sold at stores, instead of being at your fingertips on the internet.
No laws are perfect. if people are desperate they will always find a way around those laws. But why make it easy and cheap? This is why we are seeing an increase in use of AR-15 in the biggest mass shooting in this country's history, which are only getting bigger, and more frequent. They are a cheap alternative, and a loophole, in another firearm ban over full autos - which has still held up to this day since it was enacted in 1939.
At 1/18/20 03:20 PM, EdyKel wrote:At 1/18/20 02:54 PM, Aaron-Chandler wrote:I think you have more people arrested for child porn than people who own an AR-15, with the latter being manufactured, sold at stores, instead of being at your fingertips on the internet.At 1/18/20 02:40 PM, EdyKel wrote:Just because some people will use them in an incorrect or harmful way doesn't justify getting rid of them.At 1/18/20 12:15 PM, Mr-Horror wrote:At 1/18/20 04:59 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:At 1/18/20 12:15 AM, Mr-Horror wrote:... but the story isn’t about taking AR-15s away! It’s about removing the ability of individuals getting the sack when they go on strike!At 1/17/20 09:52 PM, Aaron-Chandler wrote: When it come right down to it, I don't want to give a government anymore power over its people than is absolutely necessary.If someone doesn't understand why giving the government to power to take away AR-15s is a bad idea, maybe they should ask themselves how they'd feel if the government could take uterine currettes away.Thank youPeople don't need weapons to hurt others just look at any antifa riots, they use any objects because people can kill other people, taking away protection make the people sitting ducks, just waiting to get attacked, but hey why would democrats admit that logic.The whole argument is that gun activists have become worst than SJWs by crying wolf over every small thing with the argument they are being persecuted, even when it has nothing to do with something unrelated other than trying to get attention for their own cause.
And nor can people justify why they need an AR-15, or how it is for self defense, when they are increasingly being used in the biggest mass shootings in this country's history.
AR-15s have the same relationship with mass murder as Discord has with child porn. There are people using Discord to share child porn, but that doesn't mean Discord is for child porn, or that shutting Discord down will reduce the circulation of child porn in any meaningful way.
No laws are perfect. if people are desperate they will always find a way around those laws. But why make it easy and cheap? This is why we are seeing an increase in use of AR-15 in the biggest mass shooting in this country's history, which are only getting bigger, and more frequent. They are a cheap alternative, and a loophole, in another firearm ban over full autos - which has still held up to this day since it was enacted in 1939.
The problem is when you take away a thing from the people, because bad people did bad things with them, the law only screws over law binding citizen, just look at England for banning knives, it ridiculous the lengths their going at.
At 1/18/20 03:48 PM, Mr-Horror wrote:At 1/18/20 03:20 PM, EdyKel wrote:The problem is when you take away a thing from the people, because bad people did bad things with them, the law only screws over law binding citizen, just look at England for banning knives, it ridiculous the lengths their going at.At 1/18/20 02:54 PM, Aaron-Chandler wrote:I think you have more people arrested for child porn than people who own an AR-15, with the latter being manufactured, sold at stores, instead of being at your fingertips on the internet.At 1/18/20 02:40 PM, EdyKel wrote:Just because some people will use them in an incorrect or harmful way doesn't justify getting rid of them.At 1/18/20 12:15 PM, Mr-Horror wrote:At 1/18/20 04:59 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:At 1/18/20 12:15 AM, Mr-Horror wrote:... but the story isn’t about taking AR-15s away! It’s about removing the ability of individuals getting the sack when they go on strike!At 1/17/20 09:52 PM, Aaron-Chandler wrote: When it come right down to it, I don't want to give a government anymore power over its people than is absolutely necessary.If someone doesn't understand why giving the government to power to take away AR-15s is a bad idea, maybe they should ask themselves how they'd feel if the government could take uterine currettes away.Thank youPeople don't need weapons to hurt others just look at any antifa riots, they use any objects because people can kill other people, taking away protection make the people sitting ducks, just waiting to get attacked, but hey why would democrats admit that logic.The whole argument is that gun activists have become worst than SJWs by crying wolf over every small thing with the argument they are being persecuted, even when it has nothing to do with something unrelated other than trying to get attention for their own cause.
And nor can people justify why they need an AR-15, or how it is for self defense, when they are increasingly being used in the biggest mass shootings in this country's history.
AR-15s have the same relationship with mass murder as Discord has with child porn. There are people using Discord to share child porn, but that doesn't mean Discord is for child porn, or that shutting Discord down will reduce the circulation of child porn in any meaningful way.
No laws are perfect. if people are desperate they will always find a way around those laws. But why make it easy and cheap? This is why we are seeing an increase in use of AR-15 in the biggest mass shooting in this country's history, which are only getting bigger, and more frequent. They are a cheap alternative, and a loophole, in another firearm ban over full autos - which has still held up to this day since it was enacted in 1939.
Again, can you justify the need for an AR-15, other than for hedonistic pleasures, knowing that such things will be abused and hurt the general public in huge, terrorist like, attacks? We are not talking about other type of firearms, or knives, you can justify self defense with, we are talking about something that has promoted an increase in large mass shooting in the past decade that people can't argue self defense for - or even hunting, or sporting.
As for England... I don't think most pointy knives have been banned there. There were calls by the church of England to ban them all, but I haven't seen that translate into political action to legislate them into a ban for all pointy knives.
At 1/18/20 04:03 PM, EdyKel wrote:At 1/18/20 03:48 PM, Mr-Horror wrote: The problem is when you take away a thing from the people, because bad people did bad things with them, the law only screws over law binding citizen, just look at England for banning knives, it ridiculous the lengths their going at.As for England... I don't think most pointy knives have been banned there. There were calls by the church of England to ban them all, but I haven't seen that translate into political action to legislate them into a ban for all pointy knives.
Before you two crack on with the argument about English-knives (congrats if you're playing the Gun Control Arguments Drinking Game, kids!), I would just like to point out that as an Englishman and a food lover, I've never had a problem buying knives in the shop.
Oi mate you got a loicense to post in a forum about them knoves?
At 1/18/20 06:23 PM, JosephStarr wrote: So are AK and SKS style firearms never used in mass shootings/domestic terrorist activity?
All I see in here are discussions about the AR-15.
Is AR-15 simply used as a synonym of semi automatic now?
Sure it's easier to type, but it also seems like a buzzword to catch peoples attention.There are many kinds of semi automatic rifles out there that can accept high-cap mags.
(With little to no changes made to the firearm itself.)
Honestly, I feel the issue is that people assume a republican fueled horror show of police swat teams breaking into people homes and forcibly taking away legally bought guns even when a gun control measure may just be a simple background check, or something to allow government agencies to enforce currently existing laws, or close loopholes, or just lists of serial numbers so we can better track a gun if it's stolen.
Even just a simple permit that shows you know how to properly handle, use and store a firearm is demonized as some totalitarian nonsense.
Rights can and do come with responsibilities.
Also, as a side note, I've used plenty of M-4s and own an SKS, and the 7.62 is a much more scary round. I've heard stories of the wounds they leave and they are horrific.
At 1/18/20 04:22 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Oi mate you got a loicense to post in a forum about them knoves?
@TurkeyOnAStick can mods ban someone for being this unfunny?
At 1/18/20 06:23 PM, JosephStarr wrote: So are AK and SKS style firearms never used in mass shootings/domestic terrorist activity?
All I see in here are discussions about the AR-15.
Is AR-15 simply used as a synonym of semi automatic now?
Sure it's easier to type, but it also seems like a buzzword to catch peoples attention.There are many kinds of semi automatic rifles out there that can accept high-cap mags.
(With little to no changes made to the firearm itself.)
It's whatever sounds popular, is available, or is the most effective in causing the most casualties. We can call them Assault rifles, to the irritation of gun enthusiasts, and gun nuts, who don't like that term, but it's what the general public knows them by, and which are used increasingly in the worst mass shootings.
Like most, I don't know the exact specifications for what makes an assault rifle an assault rifle. But I suspect that the original assault weapon ban, which expired in 2006, had it right.
Well the 2A rally in Virginia went perfectly. No gun climbed out of it's holster and shot someone. Most supporters were freely doing open carry, no fights broke out, and unlike other protesters, they picked up their trash. I know there were some saying it was going to be a false flag event or Antifa (who supposedly was protesting the anti gun measures with the 2A supporters) would start a fight. The librats are still trying to paint it in a bad light though.
Hopefully it ends with all of the laws failing and Ralph getting booted out of office.
That's right I like guns and ponies. NO NEW GUN CONTROL.
Politically correct is anything that leftists believe.Politically incorrect is anything common sense.
At 1/20/20 07:57 PM, wildfire4461 wrote: Well the 2A rally in Virginia went perfectly. No gun climbed out of it's holster and shot someone. Most supporters were freely doing open carry, no fights broke out, and unlike other protesters, they picked up their trash. I know there were some saying it was going to be a false flag event or Antifa (who supposedly was protesting the anti gun measures with the 2A supporters) would start a fight. The librats are still trying to paint it in a bad light though.
Hopefully it ends with all of the laws failing and Ralph getting booted out of office.
Picked up their trash? I kinda doubt that. I read about Neo Nazis being arrested before the event, with GOP leaders telling them they weren't welcome, though other white nationalist groups still came. Antifa didn't show up because they, despite being categorized as a domestic terrorist group, feared for the safety of their members. Other than gun activist cussing out the media, it was relatively peaceful, in part because of the heavy police presence since the state officials didn't want a repeat of Charlottesville.
At 1/20/20 08:22 PM, EdyKel wrote:At 1/20/20 07:57 PM, wildfire4461 wrote: Well the 2A rally in Virginia went perfectly. No gun climbed out of it's holster and shot someone. Most supporters were freely doing open carry, no fights broke out, and unlike other protesters, they picked up their trash. I know there were some saying it was going to be a false flag event or Antifa (who supposedly was protesting the anti gun measures with the 2A supporters) would start a fight. The librats are still trying to paint it in a bad light though.Picked up their trash? I kinda doubt that. I read about Neo Nazis being arrested before the event, with GOP leaders telling them they weren't welcome, though other white nationalist groups still came. Antifa didn't show up because they, despite being categorized as a domestic terrorist group, feared for the safety of their members. Other than gun activist cussing out the media, it was relatively peaceful, in part because of the heavy police presence since the state officials didn't want a repeat of Charlottesville.
Hopefully it ends with all of the laws failing and Ralph getting booted out of office.
Then what are they doing here?
Oh yeah just look at all of that military grade security.
Oh there were some Antifa there.
Yeah. Antifa from other places didn't show up because unlike in Portland or some other place, they couldn't attack people here without getting hammered.
Oh and so much for it being just a rally of white nationalists:
That's right I like guns and ponies. NO NEW GUN CONTROL.
Politically correct is anything that leftists believe.Politically incorrect is anything common sense.
At 1/20/20 08:38 PM, wildfire4461 wrote:At 1/20/20 08:22 PM, EdyKel wrote:Then what are they doing here?At 1/20/20 07:57 PM, wildfire4461 wrote: Well the 2A rally in Virginia went perfectly. No gun climbed out of it's holster and shot someone. Most supporters were freely doing open carry, no fights broke out, and unlike other protesters, they picked up their trash. I know there were some saying it was going to be a false flag event or Antifa (who supposedly was protesting the anti gun measures with the 2A supporters) would start a fight. The librats are still trying to paint it in a bad light though.Picked up their trash? I kinda doubt that. I read about Neo Nazis being arrested before the event, with GOP leaders telling them they weren't welcome, though other white nationalist groups still came. Antifa didn't show up because they, despite being categorized as a domestic terrorist group, feared for the safety of their members. Other than gun activist cussing out the media, it was relatively peaceful, in part because of the heavy police presence since the state officials didn't want a repeat of Charlottesville.
Hopefully it ends with all of the laws failing and Ralph getting booted out of office.
Oh yeah just look at all of that military grade security.
Oh and so much for it being just a rally of white nationalists:
Nice photo op. I'm sure they did that every where. And yes, there was a huge police presence there - there were lines of them with yellow vests. And yes, there were white nationalist groups there. Didn't say it was one huge white nationalist event.
At 1/20/20 08:38 PM, wildfire4461 wrote:At 1/20/20 08:22 PM, EdyKel wrote: Other than gun activist cussing out the media, it was relatively peaceful, in part because of the heavy police presence since the state officials didn't want a repeat of Charlottesville.Oh yeah just look at all of that military grade security.
There was heavy police presence, but it was better managed than the Baltimore protest by keeping the officers off street level and weeding out threats of violence.
Oh there were some Antifa there.
Yeah. Antifa from other places didn't show up because unlike in Portland or some other place, they couldn't attack people here without getting hammered.
I’m not keen on hypotheticals, because the inference here is if someone starts picking a fight, somebody else would whip out a gun. Just be proud that the guys on site handled it amicably.
At 1/20/20 08:38 PM, wildfire4461 wrote:At 1/20/20 08:22 PM, EdyKel wrote:Then what are they doing here?At 1/20/20 07:57 PM, wildfire4461 wrote: Well the 2A rally in Virginia went perfectly. No gun climbed out of it's holster and shot someone. Most supporters were freely doing open carry, no fights broke out, and unlike other protesters, they picked up their trash. I know there were some saying it was going to be a false flag event or Antifa (who supposedly was protesting the anti gun measures with the 2A supporters) would start a fight. The librats are still trying to paint it in a bad light though.Picked up their trash? I kinda doubt that. I read about Neo Nazis being arrested before the event, with GOP leaders telling them they weren't welcome, though other white nationalist groups still came. Antifa didn't show up because they, despite being categorized as a domestic terrorist group, feared for the safety of their members. Other than gun activist cussing out the media, it was relatively peaceful, in part because of the heavy police presence since the state officials didn't want a repeat of Charlottesville.
Hopefully it ends with all of the laws failing and Ralph getting booted out of office.
Oh yeah just look at all of that military grade security.
Oh there were some Antifa there.
Yeah. Antifa from other places didn't show up because unlike in Portland or some other place, they couldn't attack people here without getting hammered.
Oh and so much for it being just a rally of white nationalists:
Thanks man
It really doesn't matter the GOA and NRA and VCDL are suing the State over it, its stupid drama being stupid. They can if they pass illegal weapons ban and red flag laws under various 2nd like the Heller and McDonald Ruling and 4th Amendment and how you need probable cause for a seizure especially one thats deemed a right by Heller, and 5th Amendment especially DUE PROCESS you only have things after you have your day in court not before and your guilty until proven innocent, this is bedrock case law set by SCOTUS that cements our rights by the Constitution.
At 1/20/20 08:22 PM, EdyKel wrote:At 1/20/20 07:57 PM, wildfire4461 wrote: Well the 2A rally in Virginia went perfectly. No gun climbed out of it's holster and shot someone. Most supporters were freely doing open carry, no fights broke out, and unlike other protesters, they picked up their trash. I know there were some saying it was going to be a false flag event or Antifa (who supposedly was protesting the anti gun measures with the 2A supporters) would start a fight. The librats are still trying to paint it in a bad light though.Picked up their trash? I kinda doubt that. I read about Neo Nazis being arrested before the event, with GOP leaders telling them they weren't welcome, though other white nationalist groups still came. Antifa didn't show up because they, despite being categorized as a domestic terrorist group, feared for the safety of their members.
Hopefully it ends with all of the laws failing and Ralph getting booted out of office.
Good! Let's hope the trend continues well into the future, until they are no longer a political entity worthy of notice.
Squash those spook-cultivated spooks like the apple-headed oafs they are!
Western media has descended to the level of Soviet media, pre-Glasnost, except the American people largely still drink from that poisoned well, thinking it provides "news."
At 1/21/20 06:27 PM, OpusFreiling wrote: Squash those spook-cultivated spooks like the apple-headed oafs they are!
...are you a radio-host from the 30s?
At 1/21/20 04:56 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: It really doesn't matter the GOA and NRA and VCDL are suing the State over it, its stupid drama being stupid. They can if they pass illegal weapons ban and red flag laws under various 2nd like the Heller and McDonald Ruling and 4th Amendment and how you need probable cause for a seizure especially one thats deemed a right by Heller, and 5th Amendment especially DUE PROCESS you only have things after you have your day in court not before and your guilty until proven innocent, this is bedrock case law set by SCOTUS that cements our rights by the Constitution.
I agree, it was a lot of drama, mostly from gun groups, who decide to dress up in military gear, armed to the teeth, on MLK day, like the proverbial angry mob with pitchforks and torches, intimidating lawmakers over things that were being floated around but not likely to be included in any gun bill given how they would be struck down by most courts.
Hell, Trump did the same shit by publicly musing about taking away due process, and supporting red flag laws, and we didn't see the same reaction, other than him piping in the other day on Virginia to scare people into supporting him for things he said himself.
At 1/18/20 03:20 PM, EdyKel wrote:At 1/18/20 02:54 PM, Aaron-Chandler wrote:I think you have more people arrested for child porn than people who own an AR-15, with the latter being manufactured, sold at stores, instead of being at your fingertips on the internet.At 1/18/20 02:40 PM, EdyKel wrote:Just because some people will use them in an incorrect or harmful way doesn't justify getting rid of them.At 1/18/20 12:15 PM, Mr-Horror wrote:At 1/18/20 04:59 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:At 1/18/20 12:15 AM, Mr-Horror wrote:... but the story isn’t about taking AR-15s away! It’s about removing the ability of individuals getting the sack when they go on strike!At 1/17/20 09:52 PM, Aaron-Chandler wrote: When it come right down to it, I don't want to give a government anymore power over its people than is absolutely necessary.If someone doesn't understand why giving the government to power to take away AR-15s is a bad idea, maybe they should ask themselves how they'd feel if the government could take uterine currettes away.Thank youPeople don't need weapons to hurt others just look at any antifa riots, they use any objects because people can kill other people, taking away protection make the people sitting ducks, just waiting to get attacked, but hey why would democrats admit that logic.The whole argument is that gun activists have become worst than SJWs by crying wolf over every small thing with the argument they are being persecuted, even when it has nothing to do with something unrelated other than trying to get attention for their own cause.
And nor can people justify why they need an AR-15, or how it is for self defense, when they are increasingly being used in the biggest mass shootings in this country's history.
AR-15s have the same relationship with mass murder as Discord has with child porn. There are people using Discord to share child porn, but that doesn't mean Discord is for child porn, or that shutting Discord down will reduce the circulation of child porn in any meaningful way.
No laws are perfect. if people are desperate they will always find a way around those laws. But why make it easy and cheap? This is why we are seeing an increase in use of AR-15 in the biggest mass shooting in this country's history, which are only getting bigger, and more frequent. They are a cheap alternative, and a loophole, in another firearm ban over full autos - which has still held up to this day since it was enacted in 1939.
Ok, I'm not sure why your kind has such a problem understanding what everyone else says. I have trouble reconciling how someone who can so drastically misinterpret such a simple comparison can survive to adulthood.
Just the same I'll explain what I was saying and what everyone else understood. I was comparing AR-15s to Discord. I was comparing the use of AR-15s in mass shootings to the use of Discord in the distribution of child pornography. I'm sure if I went around telling people who have never heard of Discord that it's used to traffic child porn, they would start calling for it to be legalized. I could use their ignorance to mislead them. Just how someone has used your ignorance (and your self righteousness, arrogance, pseudo intellectualism, and other political traits) to make you and various other dumb fucks advocate against everyone else's rights.
At 1/21/20 09:45 PM, Aaron-Chandler wrote:At 1/18/20 03:20 PM, EdyKel wrote:
No laws are perfect. if people are desperate they will always find a way around those laws. But why make it easy and cheap? This is why we are seeing an increase in use of AR-15 in the biggest mass shooting in this country's history, which are only getting bigger, and more frequent. They are a cheap alternative, and a loophole, in another firearm ban over full autos - which has still held up to this day since it was enacted in 1939.Ok, I'm not sure why your kind has such a problem understanding what everyone else says. I have trouble reconciling how someone who can so drastically misinterpret such a simple comparison can survive to adulthood.
Just the same I'll explain what I was saying and what everyone else understood. I was comparing AR-15s to Discord. I was comparing the use of AR-15s in mass shootings to the use of Discord in the distribution of child pornography. I'm sure if I went around telling people who have never heard of Discord that it's used to traffic child porn, they would start calling for it to be legalized. I could use their ignorance to mislead them. Just how someone has used your ignorance (and your self righteousness, arrogance, pseudo intellectualism, and other political traits) to make you and various other dumb fucks advocate against everyone else's rights.
My kind? If you don't understand what I am saying it is simply because you are naive. I have been in this discussion for over a decade. I have seen almost every argument there is, for and against. Your kind is relatively new to the discussion, only offering superficial arguments based entirely on egotism and self-victimization, while offering zero solution to problems - other than making a lot of noise. And I will treat you accordingly, from one asshole to another.
This discussion over guns is about everyone rights versus the interpretations of certain rights by a few - You can apply this to other rights. If you can't understand that simple concept, then you are dumber than hell.
Both child porn and ARs can be defended as a right, one under 1st amendment and the other under the 2nd amendment, while both can't be justified, and with both taking away rights from others. Yet, one one is legal, the other isn't.
Lets correct your silly comparison. If Discord did nothing to prevent child porn on it's platform then it would liable for enabling it, and can be open up to posecution. If AR manufactures did nothing to prevent mass shootings, then shouldn't they be held accountable for a device that enabled it? That is the difference.
Yet, unlike child pornography, the argument over guns often leads to minority groups being vilified, or other rights to be taken away, all because of identity politics to defend a certain groups rights over other rights. That is what my kind is trying to point out.
I'll leave you with the following to think about:
At 1/21/20 11:44 PM, EdyKel wrote:At 1/21/20 09:45 PM, Aaron-Chandler wrote:At 1/18/20 03:20 PM, EdyKel wrote:My kind? If you don't understand what I am saying it is simply because you are naive. I have been in this discussion for over a decade. I have seen almost every argument there is, for and against. Your kind is relatively new to the discussion, only offering superficial arguments based entirely on egotism and self-victimization, while offering zero solution to problems - other than making a lot of noise. And I will treat you accordingly, from one asshole to another.No laws are perfect. if people are desperate they will always find a way around those laws. But why make it easy and cheap? This is why we are seeing an increase in use of AR-15 in the biggest mass shooting in this country's history, which are only getting bigger, and more frequent. They are a cheap alternative, and a loophole, in another firearm ban over full autos - which has still held up to this day since it was enacted in 1939.Ok, I'm not sure why your kind has such a problem understanding what everyone else says. I have trouble reconciling how someone who can so drastically misinterpret such a simple comparison can survive to adulthood.
Just the same I'll explain what I was saying and what everyone else understood. I was comparing AR-15s to Discord. I was comparing the use of AR-15s in mass shootings to the use of Discord in the distribution of child pornography. I'm sure if I went around telling people who have never heard of Discord that it's used to traffic child porn, they would start calling for it to be legalized. I could use their ignorance to mislead them. Just how someone has used your ignorance (and your self righteousness, arrogance, pseudo intellectualism, and other political traits) to make you and various other dumb fucks advocate against everyone else's rights.
This discussion over guns is about everyone rights versus the interpretations of certain rights by a few - You can apply this to other rights. If you can't understand that simple concept, then you are dumber than hell.
Both child porn and ARs can be defended as a right, one under 1st amendment and the other under the 2nd amendment, while both can't be justified, and with both taking away rights from others. Yet, one one is legal, the other isn't.
Lets correct your silly comparison. If Discord did nothing to prevent child porn on it's platform then it would liable for enabling it, and can be open up to posecution. If AR manufactures did nothing to prevent mass shootings, then shouldn't they be held accountable for a device that enabled it? That is the difference.
Yet, unlike child pornography, the argument over guns often leads to minority groups being vilified, or other rights to be taken away, all because of identity politics to defend a certain groups rights over other rights. That is what my kind is trying to point out.
I'll leave you with the following to think about:
AR-15s are explicitly legal. Discord is explicitly legal. Murder is explicitly illegal. Child porn is explicitly illegal. You wouldn't take Discord away from everyone because some people use it for child porn. You shouldn't take guns away from everyone because some people use them for murder.
Believe whatever you want about me. If reality meant anything to you, you wouldn't vote for democrats or republicans. You're the one trying to take rights away from people. Punish people for stabbing. Not for owning knives.
You seem to think you know what kind of person I am. So let's have a little test. How do you think I feel about abortion and Mexican immigrants?
At 1/22/20 03:17 AM, Aaron-Chandler wrote:At 1/21/20 11:44 PM, EdyKel wrote:AR-15s are explicitly legal. Discord is explicitly legal. Murder is explicitly illegal. Child porn is explicitly illegal. You wouldn't take Discord away from everyone because some people use it for child porn. You shouldn't take guns away from everyone because some people use them for murder.At 1/21/20 09:45 PM, Aaron-Chandler wrote:At 1/18/20 03:20 PM, EdyKel wrote:My kind? If you don't understand what I am saying it is simply because you are naive. I have been in this discussion for over a decade. I have seen almost every argument there is, for and against. Your kind is relatively new to the discussion, only offering superficial arguments based entirely on egotism and self-victimization, while offering zero solution to problems - other than making a lot of noise. And I will treat you accordingly, from one asshole to another.No laws are perfect. if people are desperate they will always find a way around those laws. But why make it easy and cheap? This is why we are seeing an increase in use of AR-15 in the biggest mass shooting in this country's history, which are only getting bigger, and more frequent. They are a cheap alternative, and a loophole, in another firearm ban over full autos - which has still held up to this day since it was enacted in 1939.Ok, I'm not sure why your kind has such a problem understanding what everyone else says. I have trouble reconciling how someone who can so drastically misinterpret such a simple comparison can survive to adulthood.
Just the same I'll explain what I was saying and what everyone else understood. I was comparing AR-15s to Discord. I was comparing the use of AR-15s in mass shootings to the use of Discord in the distribution of child pornography. I'm sure if I went around telling people who have never heard of Discord that it's used to traffic child porn, they would start calling for it to be legalized. I could use their ignorance to mislead them. Just how someone has used your ignorance (and your self righteousness, arrogance, pseudo intellectualism, and other political traits) to make you and various other dumb fucks advocate against everyone else's rights.
This discussion over guns is about everyone rights versus the interpretations of certain rights by a few - You can apply this to other rights. If you can't understand that simple concept, then you are dumber than hell.
Both child porn and ARs can be defended as a right, one under 1st amendment and the other under the 2nd amendment, while both can't be justified, and with both taking away rights from others. Yet, one one is legal, the other isn't.
Lets correct your silly comparison. If Discord did nothing to prevent child porn on it's platform then it would liable for enabling it, and can be open up to posecution. If AR manufactures did nothing to prevent mass shootings, then shouldn't they be held accountable for a device that enabled it? That is the difference.
Yet, unlike child pornography, the argument over guns often leads to minority groups being vilified, or other rights to be taken away, all because of identity politics to defend a certain groups rights over other rights. That is what my kind is trying to point out.
I'll leave you with the following to think about:
According to your argument, people should freely buy a nuke by that same reasoning if they were legal. And who said "taking them away". I simply want them off the market, along with high capacity mags, because no one needs easy access to them. They just makes it easier for people to get them and abuse them, and commit mass atrocities, which then leads your "polies" making laws, and taking away other rights, to protect a minorities right to buy that AR 15.
Believe whatever you want about me. If reality meant anything to you, you wouldn't vote for democrats or republicans. You're the one trying to take rights away from people. Punish people for stabbing. Not for owning knives.
You whine too much, and you make silly generalizations that don't reflect what is being argued over.
At 1/22/20 03:47 AM, EdyKel wrote:At 1/22/20 03:17 AM, Aaron-Chandler wrote:According to your argument, people should freely buy a nuke by that same reasoning if they were legal. And who said "taking them away". I simply want them off the market, along with high capacity mags, because no one needs easy access to them. They just makes it easier for people to get them and abuse them, and commit mass atrocities, which then leads your "polies" making laws, and taking away other rights, to protect a minorities right to buy that AR 15.At 1/21/20 11:44 PM, EdyKel wrote:AR-15s are explicitly legal. Discord is explicitly legal. Murder is explicitly illegal. Child porn is explicitly illegal. You wouldn't take Discord away from everyone because some people use it for child porn. You shouldn't take guns away from everyone because some people use them for murder.At 1/21/20 09:45 PM, Aaron-Chandler wrote:At 1/18/20 03:20 PM, EdyKel wrote:My kind? If you don't understand what I am saying it is simply because you are naive. I have been in this discussion for over a decade. I have seen almost every argument there is, for and against. Your kind is relatively new to the discussion, only offering superficial arguments based entirely on egotism and self-victimization, while offering zero solution to problems - other than making a lot of noise. And I will treat you accordingly, from one asshole to another.No laws are perfect. if people are desperate they will always find a way around those laws. But why make it easy and cheap? This is why we are seeing an increase in use of AR-15 in the biggest mass shooting in this country's history, which are only getting bigger, and more frequent. They are a cheap alternative, and a loophole, in another firearm ban over full autos - which has still held up to this day since it was enacted in 1939.Ok, I'm not sure why your kind has such a problem understanding what everyone else says. I have trouble reconciling how someone who can so drastically misinterpret such a simple comparison can survive to adulthood.
Just the same I'll explain what I was saying and what everyone else understood. I was comparing AR-15s to Discord. I was comparing the use of AR-15s in mass shootings to the use of Discord in the distribution of child pornography. I'm sure if I went around telling people who have never heard of Discord that it's used to traffic child porn, they would start calling for it to be legalized. I could use their ignorance to mislead them. Just how someone has used your ignorance (and your self righteousness, arrogance, pseudo intellectualism, and other political traits) to make you and various other dumb fucks advocate against everyone else's rights.
This discussion over guns is about everyone rights versus the interpretations of certain rights by a few - You can apply this to other rights. If you can't understand that simple concept, then you are dumber than hell.
Both child porn and ARs can be defended as a right, one under 1st amendment and the other under the 2nd amendment, while both can't be justified, and with both taking away rights from others. Yet, one one is legal, the other isn't.
Lets correct your silly comparison. If Discord did nothing to prevent child porn on it's platform then it would liable for enabling it, and can be open up to posecution. If AR manufactures did nothing to prevent mass shootings, then shouldn't they be held accountable for a device that enabled it? That is the difference.
Yet, unlike child pornography, the argument over guns often leads to minority groups being vilified, or other rights to be taken away, all because of identity politics to defend a certain groups rights over other rights. That is what my kind is trying to point out.
I'll leave you with the following to think about:
Believe whatever you want about me. If reality meant anything to you, you wouldn't vote for democrats or republicans. You're the one trying to take rights away from people. Punish people for stabbing. Not for owning knives.You whine too much, and you make silly generalizations that don't reflect what is being argued over.
There are certain things I can't say because someone who deserves disrespect will inconvenience me.
Suffice to say telling someone they make silly generalizations after comparing gun ownership to owning your own nuke is fucking hilarious.
And thanks for giving me all the answer I need to my last question.
At 1/22/20 09:28 AM, Aaron-Chandler wrote:At 1/22/20 03:47 AM, EdyKel wrote: According to your argument, people should freely buy a nuke by that same reasoning if they were legal. And who said "taking them away". I simply want them off the market, along with high capacity mags, because no one needs easy access to them. They just makes it easier for people to get them and abuse them, and commit mass atrocities, which then leads your "polies" making laws, and taking away other rights, to protect a minorities right to buy that AR 15.There are certain things I can't say because someone who deserves disrespect will inconvenience me.
Believe whatever you want about me. If reality meant anything to you, you wouldn't vote for democrats or republicans. You're the one trying to take rights away from people. Punish people for stabbing. Not for owning knives.You whine too much, and you make silly generalizations that don't reflect what is being argued over.
Suffice to say telling someone they make silly generalizations after comparing gun ownership to owning your own nuke is fucking hilarious.
And thanks for giving me all the answer I need to my last question.
In the end, all you do is whine about yourself. You made a silly generalization between a weapon that's been used increasingly in the worst mass shootings in american history to a software program, while contradicting yourself over rights being taken away. What else is there to understand about your argument, and about you?
And yes, I dealt with people who who tried to justify nukes as a right, rather than draw the line when a weapon became too powerful, and destructive, for any one person in society to own. People don't have the right to own any and all types of guns, especially those they can't justify - which you have continuously failed to do.
It looks like a bunch of white nationalist were hoping the Virginia pro gun rally would start a civil war, with one bragging on tape about how he would kill a bunch of people, poison the water supplies, and derail trains... I wish that this was an isolated case, but I have been hearing this type of stuff for over a decade, mostly from the right.
At 1/22/20 12:09 PM, EdyKel wrote:At 1/22/20 09:28 AM, Aaron-Chandler wrote:In the end, all you do is whine about yourself. You made a silly generalization between a weapon that's been used increasingly in the worst mass shootings in american history to a software program, while contradicting yourself over rights being taken away. What else is there to understand about your argument, and about you?At 1/22/20 03:47 AM, EdyKel wrote: According to your argument, people should freely buy a nuke by that same reasoning if they were legal. And who said "taking them away". I simply want them off the market, along with high capacity mags, because no one needs easy access to them. They just makes it easier for people to get them and abuse them, and commit mass atrocities, which then leads your "polies" making laws, and taking away other rights, to protect a minorities right to buy that AR 15.There are certain things I can't say because someone who deserves disrespect will inconvenience me.
Believe whatever you want about me. If reality meant anything to you, you wouldn't vote for democrats or republicans. You're the one trying to take rights away from people. Punish people for stabbing. Not for owning knives.You whine too much, and you make silly generalizations that don't reflect what is being argued over.
Suffice to say telling someone they make silly generalizations after comparing gun ownership to owning your own nuke is fucking hilarious.
And thanks for giving me all the answer I need to my last question.
And yes, I dealt with people who who tried to justify nukes as a right, rather than draw the line when a weapon became too powerful, and destructive, for any one person in society to own. People don't have the right to own any and all types of guns, especially those they can't justify - which you have continuously failed to do.
I was comparing 2 things that aren't included for crime, but are used illegally anyway. And pointing out how criminal activity doesn't justify getting rid of one anymore than it justifies getting rid of the other. If the discord comparison doesn't make sense you, I could just as easily compare guns to cars, kitchen knives, power tools, medications, cellphones, and any of the countless other things that criminals can and have used to hurt people.
Firearms will never be justified to you for the same reason abortion will never be justified to others. And you have no more right to impose your self righteousness on gun owners than pro lifers do on unfortunate women. Both you and them need to get over yourselves and stop whining about other people living their life their own way. Grow up, son.
At 1/22/20 01:08 PM, Aaron-Chandler wrote:At 1/22/20 12:09 PM, EdyKel wrote:I was comparing 2 things that aren't included for crime, but are used illegally anyway. And pointing out how criminal activity doesn't justify getting rid of one anymore than it justifies getting rid of the other.At 1/22/20 09:28 AM, Aaron-Chandler wrote:In the end, all you do is whine about yourself. You made a silly generalization between a weapon that's been used increasingly in the worst mass shootings in american history to a software program, while contradicting yourself over rights being taken away. What else is there to understand about your argument, and about you?At 1/22/20 03:47 AM, EdyKel wrote: According to your argument, people should freely buy a nuke by that same reasoning if they were legal. And who said "taking them away". I simply want them off the market, along with high capacity mags, because no one needs easy access to them. They just makes it easier for people to get them and abuse them, and commit mass atrocities, which then leads your "polies" making laws, and taking away other rights, to protect a minorities right to buy that AR 15.There are certain things I can't say because someone who deserves disrespect will inconvenience me.
Believe whatever you want about me. If reality meant anything to you, you wouldn't vote for democrats or republicans. You're the one trying to take rights away from people. Punish people for stabbing. Not for owning knives.You whine too much, and you make silly generalizations that don't reflect what is being argued over.
Suffice to say telling someone they make silly generalizations after comparing gun ownership to owning your own nuke is fucking hilarious.
And thanks for giving me all the answer I need to my last question.
And yes, I dealt with people who who tried to justify nukes as a right, rather than draw the line when a weapon became too powerful, and destructive, for any one person in society to own. People don't have the right to own any and all types of guns, especially those they can't justify - which you have continuously failed to do.
The AR is a weapon that is increasingly used in the worst mass shootings in this country's history because they are so easy, cheap, to get, while you can get child porn through almost any media platforms. But one is legal, the other isn't. And because they can't go after one of them, they have to take away other rights away to get try and prevent the end result of it. What 's not to understand?
If the discord comparison doesn't make sense you, I could just as easily compare guns to cars, kitchen knives, power tools, medications, cellphones, and any of the countless other things that criminals can and have used to hurt people.
You are not making a case for gun ownership with those things.
Firearms will never be justified to you for the same reason abortion will never be justified to others. And you have no more right to impose your self righteousness on gun owners than pro lifers do on unfortunate women. Both you and them need to get over yourselves and stop whining about other people living their life their own way. Grow up, son.
Another one of your silly generalizations. If you can't beat me on your argument for ARs, generalize it all to make me against all guns - something that gun activists do all the time.
The right to own a gun is about self defense, hunting, and sports, all of which I am okay with, not to have something to fuck, obsess over, and to pray to, when it can be misused to create a lot of casualties in mere minutes. We have more regulations over full autos, and bomb making equipment than ARs.
At 1/22/20 01:25 PM, EdyKel wrote:
The right to own a gun is about self defense, hunting, and sports, all of which I am okay with
and you can do that perfectly with the AR-15 as a normal citizen and since its also used by law enforcement and the military uses them it falls under the common use test used under the Heller Ruling on what a arm is and whether or not it falls under fair use, and was reinforced by McDonald v Chicago due to its Handgun Ban passed in the 80s.
We have more regulations over full autos than ARs
that's true but you can also legally mod it so it can thats not covered under the NFA, bump stocks (no one follows it because stocks are not part of what makes a firearm operationaland since lawsuits are in p[lay it makes the "law" made by Trump dubious), and Binary Triggers heck you can even buy new Upper Receivers for the AR-15 to Belt Feed you can see one here that can be mounted if its properly spec'd out it could be a LEGAL light machine gun.
bomb making equipment than ARs.
lol I can go to Amazon right now and buy 5 pound of iron oxide and 2 pounds of aluminum and make a huge batch of Thermite, you can also go to any sporting store to get gun powder and all you have to do is go to your local Home Depot to get any sort of piping or housing for materials, or if your feeling sassy and old school 50 pounds of Ammonium Nitrate and five gallons of diesel in a 55 gallon drum from your local Home Depot.
no we do not lol you know how easy it is to make your own C4 and Semtex? just look at the Mujahideen Explosive Handbook its all DIY for the most part you can get from your local home improvement store, there's a whole archive on it.
also am I the only here who knows how to properly edit replies?
