At 4/8/05 07:28 PM, AloneInTheDark wrote:
You are basically deciding wether people are in or not by saying 'It needs more. I'm sorry, that just doesn't cut it for the expectations Amin has for this collab'.... I mean wtf, who are you anyway? If you want to tell people that, start your own collab and tell it to the people who joined.
No, I'm telling him he should work on it. Plus, you left out an important part. I'm just talking from my experience with the 5 Shades of __ collabs. If you want to be in a collab with poor quality submissions, go ahead. Be in some shitty collab that doesn't get front page and no one likes.
A collab is only as good as it's worst flash.
And no, collabs are not about the participating artists giving blunt criticism to each other, it is about creating a flash with different styles and working together.
Not solely.
And if you do give criticism, give it in a constructive way and not just by saying 'that needs more work, that doesnt cut it' or 'ew ew ew, that looks bad'. That doesnt help an artist one single bit
It seems not constructive because I already told him what he needs to improve on earlier. the ew part, that was because anyone could look at that picture (if I remember correctly), and it was just plain ugly. As if whoever drew it spent 15 seconds drawing it.
At 4/8/05 07:52 PM, Fierras wrote:
Dude you don't need to render to show the hole thing, just take some screenshors, that takes you 2min max.
Screenshots of the guy's I was criticizing were fine. Screenshots don't show anything. You could have wonderful drawings but no animation. That's not good.
At 4/8/05 07:52 PM, kc_0045 wrote:
What are you talking about? it takes full movies a while to render in 3d, but say your animation part is... 20secs, well if it took an hour to render(which is not very long at all) and its set at...24 fps
no, i said it was 2 secs
20*24=480 frames.
3600(one hour rendering time)/480=7.5 secs for each frame to render
thats rather slow
no it's not. Not only is my computer slow, but The average individual frame rendered by Pixar (on their superfast renderfarm using their superfast renderer "RenderMan") takes 6 hours to render. That's one frame. Six hours. The longest one EVER took was 90 hours for a single frame. On their superfast stuff. Do you even know 3d at all?
considering that walking aniamtion you show us doesnt have anything speical in it.
How many times do I have to say that I just had that walking animation lying around, it has nothing to do with my animation.
iv seen better rendering in doom3, which is realtime. soo i think you need to cut down your model alittle, or get a better computer
1: They use expensive renderers such as DirectX or OpenGL.
2: They use hardware rendering. I'm not going to use hardware rendering, and don't get me started on why (mostly because my graphics card isn't good enough)
3: I can't get a better computer, because I don't have the money. I can't get the money because my parents won't let me get a job because they think I'll fail school.
because that is a super slow rendering speed.(PS im not trying to flame or anything, i just think thats a little odd)
As I always say, EVERYONE underestimates the length of 3d rendering until they try it themselves.
At 4/8/05 08:09 PM, djamin wrote:
Thanks AloneInTheDark for the backup.
backup? What did I do, assault you? Jesus christ man.
Ive decided, TwinsenDude, to remove you from the collab.
Roger Roger.
For many reasons. Firstly a walk cycle is not an example of what your line will be like and if it is then even more of a reason.
I told you, that walk cycle is not representative, it is just what I had lying around because you wanted to see what the 3d would look like.
Secondly all the other animators are sticking to 2d and I have decided to keep it that way.
Lol, it's not like it'd be THAT different... I wasn't like gonna have the camera angle rotate or anything...
Thirdly you keep saying your gonna show a proper example and you still haven't.
I told you, I can't take the time to render it. It slows down my computer mad crazy and takes a long time. I'd rather be doing other things. Besides, the deadline isn't till the end of the month. You're really impatient.
Fourthly to be honest I do not like your attitude which I have observed from your posts.
Gimme a break. Other people bring out the worst in me.
Everyone defends themselves, and AloneInTheDark was attacking me. I try to be a nice guy, but it doesn't always work out.
Besides, you don't know me. If you did, you'd know that I'm a completely different person online and offline. Online, I tend to get more aggressive because I don't see the people face to face and in my mind they end up being annoying people trashtalking while sitting around their computer all day.
This collab is about bringing newground artists together to support one another in order to create one fine piece of work and I do not think your contributions to this collab have been anything but negative so far.
What do you expect when I was textually assaulted?
Thankyou,
Amin
Thanks for what? Being kicked out, having all the work I've done so far for nothing including the work I did on line 17 before you told me you were just going to give it away to someone else?
Yeah that was a pisser too. I had a bad attitude from the beginning when I called a line and you afterwards gave it away to someone else.
It's really hard to believe you're 16.
