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Why EDM is 70% garbage.

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Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-17 22:12:57


I feel it's because the application is weak compared to all other forms of instrumentation. Even when you get down to the hardware, it's just pushing buttons, and far to easy to fall into weird pitfalls that are non-existent on other mediums. What I mean to say is that the level of involvement with digitalized artwork in general is very weak.

I suppose this argument has been beaten over the heads of artists for years. How do you feel about it and how can you see software competing live with real string instruments in the futue or even now?

Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-17 22:51:25


hoo boy...

Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-17 23:35:34


cant tell if trolling


The worth of a man can be measured by the length of his reverb, and the girth of his waveform

Thees waveforme iz veri dangerous. Ve must deal vit it. squash

Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 00:15:05 (edited 2016-01-18 00:15:54)


Watch this amazing performance!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCawU6BE8P8


Salut!

I create 3D art here, and you can listen to my album there! Comments/Feedback appreciated.

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Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 00:27:45


got a peer reviewed source for that 70% statistic or did you pull it from the same orifice your stupid opinion came from?

can this thread now be about "EDM" artists who do amazing performances (with or without typical "EDM" setups) instead of the same shitty pseudo-discussion circlejerk that comes around every time somebody espouses this dumb af notion?


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Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 00:43:17


to clarify: the notion that popular dance music is garbage because "duhhh it's just button pressing lol" is what's dumb


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Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 03:25:23


Thank god for the 30% though right. Steve Aoki, Paris Hilton & David Guetta.


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Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 05:41:21


At 1/17/16 10:12 PM, Dubsyn wrote: when you get down to the hardware, it's just pushing buttons

Your right. Just like how piano is nothing more than hitting a bunch of keys, and playing the trombone is buzzing you lips and pulling a slide up and down.


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Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 06:39:00


Clickbait. You folks fell for it.

Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 06:44:50


At 1/18/16 06:39 AM, Troisnyx wrote: Clickbait. You folks fell for it.

wow good on you for totally not "falling for it" or whatever you're heaps cool!


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Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 06:58:09


At 1/18/16 06:44 AM, midimachine wrote: wow good on you for totally not "falling for it" or whatever you're heaps cool!
At 1/18/16 06:43 AM, Lich wrote: The only thing I've fell for this morning is the copious amount of Extra-Mature Marmite that I spread on my crumpets when I first tasted it. Usually I behave myself and counter-balance it with a 50/50 Marmite/butter ratio but it was more like 60/40 today for some reason. It makes me question many things, more so my ingredient-spreading process.

This thread has been done before and in fact, locked. Chances are, it may have been deleted. We all know the answer to OP's trolling. It's just pointless to continue. Whatever happened to us not entertaining threads like OP's? Turns out it's all completely fizzled out, has it?

Obviously because it's been looked at, I'd actually come in to summon @BrokenDeck once more, inb4 this thread turns into some sort of cesspool.

Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 07:51:33 (edited 2016-01-18 07:52:25)


At 1/18/16 06:58 AM, Troisnyx wrote: Whatever happened to us not entertaining threads like OP's? Turns out it's all completely fizzled out, has it?

when was that ever mandated lmfao

like how would you even enforce that
do you get to decide which threads we shouldn't post in because you think they're pointless?


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Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 08:46:58 (edited 2016-01-18 08:47:54)


At 1/18/16 06:39 AM, Troisnyx wrote: Clickbait. You folks fell for it.

I dont understand hows its "click bait?" The topic title is exactly what is discussed by the content of the users post. And if we class that as click bait, then all topic titles are because a subjects title is created to summarize and draw attention to it.

I dont think he/she's a troll either. They just seem to think EDM takes less skill than playing a physical instrument, maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. That's the discussion. I keep seeing a lot of posts summarized as "Trolling" or "Click Bait" because the person disagrees with the post. Not here, just on the net in general, it seems to be the new comeback.


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Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 09:18:25


At 1/17/16 10:12 PM, Dubsyn wrote: I feel it's because the application is weak compared to all other forms of instrumentation

Fair enough but what exactly do you base said feeling on, you have performed electronica live perhaps, or you've attended a live perfomance?


Even when you get down to the hardware, it's just pushing buttons, and far to easy to fall into weird pitfalls that are
non-existent on other mediums.

As above, based on what exactly or whom? Playing a so called playlist can, indeed, be no more then pushing play and standing around interacting with the audience. Playing actual dj while performing a liveset will already involve turning knobs and moving sliders or in the case of employing vinyl, swapping records, beatmatching and lifting. (crates are heavy)

A liveset of just electronic instruments can involve all of the above with the added bonus of switches, voltage control and cable routing and patching instruments all in real time while hopefully not missing a beat, to say nothing of accompanying musicians who may in fact be playing traditional instruments alongside or perhaps a computer is being used as an instrument rack and one is essentially doing what a keyboard player does.

I appreciate it looks easy enough when you see others doing it right but i'd challenge anyone who hasn't yet to give it a go and let us all know just what a walk in the park it supposedly is :)


What I mean to say is that the level of involvement with digitalized artwork in general is very weak.

This statement i lend more credence to since it is a sentiment that gets voiced here with some regularity, i don't get that impression myself while working but there has to be something to it since more then a few people feel this way.

And there's flavors and varieties of it, people feeling unchallenged or perhaps that they're getting away with cheating or somethign to that effect. I'm interested in this aspect.


I suppose this argument has been beaten over the heads of artists for years. How do you feel about it and how can you
see software competing live with real string instruments in the futue or even now?

I don't know, the argument seems incredibly retro to me, like the original outcry against samplers back when they still cost as much as a ferrari sports car, ask google about the introduction of the fairlight for example.

Personally i don't see them competing at all, they can be their own thing or they can compliment each other, the logic behind them being diametrically opposed i really don't follow but i take it i'm biased as i've seen them work together in harmony with nobody batting an eye at either's presence.

As an illustration, think of cgi in movies. One can have pixar style animated ones with nothing but cgi in it or one can have a regular live action flick where the cgi compliments, or plays alongside if you will, the traditional cinematic aspects.


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Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 09:45:01


At 1/18/16 09:41 AM, dem0lecule wrote: Correction: Mainstream EDM are garbage.

This could have saved me some typing, popular music stinks. Ok, right, yes of course.

Thank you :P


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Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 09:48:29


At 1/18/16 08:46 AM, PeterSatera wrote:
At 1/18/16 06:39 AM, Troisnyx wrote: Clickbait. You folks fell for it.
I dont understand hows its "click bait?" The topic title is exactly what is discussed by the content of the users post. And if we class that as click bait, then all topic titles are because a subjects title is created to summarize and draw attention to it.

I dont think he/she's a troll either. They just seem to think EDM takes less skill than playing a physical instrument, maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. That's the discussion. I keep seeing a lot of posts summarized as "Trolling" or "Click Bait" because the person disagrees with the post. Not here, just on the net in general, it seems to be the new comeback.

I think the main reason why I called it such was because one, when this thread was made by another user in the past, it was indeed classed as such. I don't mind allowing civilised discussion, but what are the odds that we're flogging a dead horse with this sort of thing? I cannot help but ask, what makes one thread clickbait, and another exactly like it, perfectly legit?

Further irony is that Dubsyn's two latest audio submissions are... wait for it... EDM. Which takes as much knowledge to do as anyone learning a piano for the first time and making a classical song. We all know the argument doesn't really hold up. I'd be glad to discuss this civilly and I'd agree with you on a lot of fronts, in fact. But I don't know if it really has any point here.

Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 10:19:46 (edited 2016-01-18 10:23:56)


Yeah that's what i read into your comment, i like taking things at face value though, there's no smelling whose sincere and whose not anyway but this made it plain.

About an hour's worth of jean michel's hardcore synthesizer pornography

Well the stage moog's ( fatty or whatever they're called ) are not that terrible really, they have a user friendly interface and the only bad thing about them is that i don't own one. Or two.

Those collosal cable switchboard hulks like Richard James or Suzanne Ciani used are on a whole other level, i've mainly played around with ms-20s and various doepfers in terms of cable hell.

As for less skill, i don't know, that deadmaus fellow spends a lot of time bolted in his studio, more then i venture most would care to. I recently sat through a bunch of current justin bieber tracks and absence of autotune aside, the production values his engineers bring to the table are pie in the sky level to me.

My point is though, it's relative, we're not privvy to the actual work these people put in nor does everyone working on said material even care about getting credited for their work. They're all fairly substantial teams, not so much the footage of let's say guetta playing three note tunes on his mini keyboard while struggling to hold onto his youth in an airplane as if the end product one hears is single handedly his.


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Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 10:20:38 (edited 2016-01-18 10:21:47)


At 1/18/16 10:01 AM, dem0lecule wrote: Also I don't get why everybody got so triggered about this topic.

i wasn't until you put fuckin' dimrain on the same level as afx and reznor. and don't get me started on "tangerine dream pioneered EDM" puh-leese, next you'll be telling me mozart pioneered prog rock :P

for real tho, let's not pretend that writing orchestral music is still the same challenge that it was 30 years ago, either. in fact i'd go as far as to say that writing for orchestra has gotten much easier comparatively. the "classical" section on NG is also a pretty good place to find examples of not really needing to know anything about music in order to make it ;)


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Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 10:54:56 (edited 2016-01-18 11:07:06)


Cocorico. Jarre is one pionneer of visual shows. In many interviews, he makes a point to talk about how having visuals and stage effects as backup helped pushing his music into recognition, not the fact that he would be playing or not an instrument.
Plus synths had bad reputation vs real instruments (just like now hardware vs software) so it's his visual identity that made him extremely successful in the first place. Of course hardcore fans were all about the electronic sound, but I remember, when there was a concert of him, tv would advertise it as "show laser" instead of electronic music!

So maybe not all artists have performance skills, but they certainly DELIVER in a way or another. Be it their personality, visual identity etc...

To answer op, yes i think software will stay relevant since its much more affordable, faster to learn, give results faster.
Why would it be bad to make music creation affordable or free for anyone btw? If you're the best guitarist in the world and lose one arm you'll be glad you can use a computer to continue creating music.


Salut!

I create 3D art here, and you can listen to my album there! Comments/Feedback appreciated.

Merci!

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Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 11:01:49


At 1/18/16 09:41 AM, dem0lecule wrote: Correction: Mainstream EDM are garbage.

Correction:

"Mainstream EDM is garbage."

Why EDM is 70% garbage.

Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 11:11:11


At 1/18/16 10:35 AM, dem0lecule wrote:
At 1/18/16 10:20 AM, midimachine wrote: i wasn't until you put fuckin' dimrain on the same level as afx and reznor. and don't get me started on "tangerine dream pioneered EDM" puh-leese, next you'll be telling me mozart pioneered prog rock :P
Please educate me why Tangerine Dream wasn't the pioneer of electronic music. I would like to hear your opinions.

couple points: firstly, EDM is electronic music, but not all electronic music is EDM - that term pretty much exclusively represents the the modern club/"bass music" sound. and since "EDM" as a term came about separate to the genres and the scenes, and encapsulates a number of movements with different musical and cultural background (e.g. dubstep's roots in reggae vs. house music's in disco), you can't really say any one artist or even group of artists "pioneered EDM". tbh the term was probably coined by music business people who wanted to distance their product from rave culture to make it more widely marketable.

so that said, you still can't really say tangerine dream were the pioneer of electronic music. i mean phillips (the company) tried their hand at developing and marketing "popular electronic music" in the late 1950's. the first "chiptune" was programmed on CSIRAC in 1951. hell, the first speech synth was created in the late 1930's. in any case, the music of tangerine dream, kraftwerk, raymond scott etc. is all chronologically related to how electronic music developed, but their music is too prototypical in terms of electronic instrumentation to really pin them as pioneering dance music. italo-disco producers like giorgio moroder were doing stuff that was closer to what dance music is today in the late 70's, and then house and techno started coming out of north america in the mid 80's.


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Response to Why EDM is 70% garbage. 2016-01-18 11:39:15


Now that everyone has let off their steam...