At 5/18/14 07:06 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 5/18/14 07:04 PM, ChalkSauce wrote: This is really cringy man. You should take that down before the other guy hears it. He's just going to laugh at you.

I'll take it down, when he takes down the monetizing.

Check mate.

I don't think that's how a check mate works.

At 5/18/14 06:58 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 5/18/14 06:44 PM, ChalkSauce wrote: There's no need to go all 'Dick Tracy' on this guy. Just wait and see if he responds to your request to remove your content. If he doesn't listen, hit him with a copyright strike.

He's still an arrogant prick with a god complex, which shows throughout his behavior and mindset towards any set of circumstances.

Also: http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/576649?updated=1

Time for a time out. I did not post this thread with the intention of harassing other users, I posted this thread to inform people their music is being monetized.

@blackhole12 +1 to everything hes saying

@Insanctuary lmaoooo calm down mate - I'm agreeing with blackhole12 - THAT MUST MEAN THIS ACCOUNT IS AN ALT OF HIS THERE IS NO OTHER EXPLANATION

use all need to calm yo tits and wait for him to just remove your videos

What?! That's terrible! I've been following Xmillsa for years. I knew he uploaded tracks almost exclusively from Newgrounds and Soundcloud, and I even knew that he didn't get permission a lot of the time, but I DIDN'T know he made money off of it. That's too bad...Xmillsa was probably the reason why I started downloading songs from Newgrounds so consistently. :'( I've heard he's a nice guy, though...maybe he'd be willing to reason with these artists? What a shame...the EnV catastrophe was easily condemnable, but this guy has essentially been a key part of the community for 6-7 years. T_T

At 5/18/14 07:20 PM, TheDoor6 wrote: What?! That's terrible! I've been following Xmillsa for years. I knew he uploaded tracks almost exclusively from Newgrounds and Soundcloud, and I even knew that he didn't get permission a lot of the time, but I DIDN'T know he made money off of it. That's too bad...Xmillsa was probably the reason why I started downloading songs from Newgrounds so consistently. :'( I've heard he's a nice guy, though...maybe he'd be willing to reason with these artists? What a shame...the EnV catastrophe was easily condemnable, but this guy has essentially been a key part of the community for 6-7 years. T_T

As I've said before, if he wants to promote artists, that's fine by me. What I will not stand for is him monetizing the content he uploads without asking permission from the artists.

There are a lot of promoters on youtube, and I find it disgusting how many of them think this is how promotion works.
If you want to make money as a promotional channel, you absolutely must have permission from the artists whose work you are uploading. You can't just take a bunch of random shit from the internet and monetize it... Because that's not promotion... that's theft.

And as I've said before, had he asked permission to upload my song to his channel, with monetization even, I might have been ok with it. But just taking my stuff and monetizing it without my knowledge, let alone permission, rubs me in all the wrong ways.

I do hope he is as reasonable as some are saying he is. I have sent him a message to take it down, but should he not do so, I will not hesitate to strike his account.

....

What.

The.

Fuck.

Ok, one, I wish I was the owner of that account. I'd be a lot more popular than I am now. However, xmillsa stopped uploading my music for whatever reason after I posted Soar [Original Mix], presumably because I then released an album with songs that are not under the Creative Commons license.

Two, this is absolutely fucking ridiculous. I am defending that guy because I think you guys are being complete assholes, and I consider him a good person, and I defend people who I think are good people, because there are precious few of them. Please stop proving my point.

My youtube channel is this one. Xmillsa used to have a newgrounds account but I can't find it. Xmillsa found my stuff on ctgmusic because he didn't know I was on newgrounds until I actually got popular here, even though I posted all that stuff on newgrounds FIRST. Had I owned the account, I would have linked to my newgrounds uploads, not the CTG music ones.

Let me explain economics to you people. This guy is uploading your music under the terms of the creative commons, except for the fact that he enables ads on them so he can get a few pennies from his work. He promotes your work, links back to you, and maximizes the amount of attention you receive, and in return he gets a few bucks off the ads he runs. What should he do instead? Do it all for free? Why would he do that? If he can't make money off it, he probably won't do it at all. Then you rely entirely on free sites like newgrounds to gain exposure, which is getting harder and harder to do. Sites like youtube and soundcloud require the song to be posted SOMEWHERE with a significant following in order for it to gain exposure. Making a few bucks off an ad is not going to ruin your life. Some guy who steals your song and claims it as his own, on the other hand, is something to get pissed off about.

This whole thing is completely fucking stupid.

Leave the guy alone. If it pisses you off so much, ask him nicely to take down your music, and he will. He is not a monster. He is not evil.

Stop turning this into the fucking Salem Witch Trials all over again. This is juvenile and preposterous. I am not xmillsa, he is not trying to rip you off or steal all your money, he will take down your music if you ask him like a reasonable person.

Just.

Stop.

At 5/18/14 08:02 PM, Blackhole12 wrote: Just.

Stop.

First off, for the 5 millionth time... I HAVE asked him to take it down... I didn't go straight to a copyright strike.

Second, he is breaking the creative commons license by using the content for commercial purposes. This is illegal.

Third, I have not seen any extra activity on my profile since he posted my song.

Fourth, I have every right to be upset, the guy took my song, uploaded it on his own account, and monetized it. WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. This is not only, again, breaking the creative commons license, it is also breaking the terms of use for Youtube.

As I mentioned in a previous post, if you want to run a promotional channel, you have to do it properly. Put your contact information out there, and have the artists ask to be featured on your channel... You don't just take shit and monetize it.

Let me recite the analogy I used earlier again:
You're in a mom and pop store. You take something off the shelf and walk out of the store without paying. You then sell the product to people on the street saying "I'm promoting the store".

This is the exact same thing on a digital medium. He is taking something that is not rightfully his, and redistributing it for his own personal gain. I don't care what excuse he uses, promotion, exposure, whatever... The fact is, he is breaking numerous terms of service and licenses, and he is stealing from the artists.

If I want promotion, I will go out and ask for it.

At 5/18/14 08:26 PM, Back-From-Purgatory wrote: stuff

I'm not saying this isn't illegal. Of course it's illegal.

Jaywalking is also illegal.

Whether or not something is moral does not depend on whether or not it's illegal. The point I'm trying to make here is that xmillsa is the least of your problems.

There are HUNDREDS of channels out there who post music and monetize their videos and do not even link back to the original song. If you want to be pissed off at someone for breaking the law, pick the worst offenders first, instead of the guy jaywalking on a street that has no cars running down it.

I cannot believe you only discovered this recently. Have you been living under a rock? Do you understand how much of youtube is made up of people posting other people's songs? What are you going to do, ban everyone on youtube? Good luck.

There's a solution for this. It's called Google Content ID. Let me quote the page for you:

What options are available to copyright owners?

Copyright owners can choose different actions to take on material that matches theirs:

Mute audio that matches their music
Block a whole video from being viewed
Monetize the video by running ads against it
Track the video’s viewership statistics

If you are the original owner of a song, you can override his monetization via google content ID.

Problem solved.

I'm tempted to make a ginormous list of every single person posting newgrounds songs I can find, because it would probably number in the thousands. This is a really bad thing to be pissed off about, because it's like being pissed off about jaywalking.

At 5/18/14 07:30 PM, Back-From-Purgatory wrote:

At 5/18/14 07:20 PM, TheDoor6 wrote: What?! That's terrible! I've been following Xmillsa for years. I knew he uploaded tracks almost exclusively from Newgrounds and Soundcloud, and I even knew that he didn't get permission a lot of the time, but I DIDN'T know he made money off of it. That's too bad...Xmillsa was probably the reason why I started downloading songs from Newgrounds so consistently. :'( I've heard he's a nice guy, though...maybe he'd be willing to reason with these artists? What a shame...the EnV catastrophe was easily condemnable, but this guy has essentially been a key part of the community for 6-7 years. T_T

As I've said before, if he wants to promote artists, that's fine by me. What I will not stand for is him monetizing the content he uploads without asking permission from the artists.

Yeah, I now understand that what he's doing is unjustified...I just found it a bit shocking since I've been using his channel to find new songs/artists on NG and SC for so long. I guess it was a little naïve of me to assume that all of those ads were 3rd-party. I do recall reading comments on Waterflame's YouTube channel notifying him that this guy was stealing his songs, but Waterflame seemed to be okay with it, at least at the time. I also recognize that this issue affects many more artists besides Waterflame, including you, Back-from-Purgatory. Oh, and "Only the Beginning" is an awesome song btw. Xmillsa really shouldn't be making money off of it, though...

I'm gonna simplify my statement:

I do not appreciate someone making money off my stuff for a service I did not ask for.

If you don't have a problem with someone doing that to you, that's your decision. But I do not appreciate it.

At 5/18/14 08:38 PM, Blackhole12 wrote:

At 5/18/14 08:26 PM, Back-From-Purgatory wrote: stuff

I'm not saying this isn't illegal. Of course it's illegal.

If you're fine with someone using your shit for personal gain, that's your decision, I am not.

I deal with these issues as I find them, regardless of how "serious" it is.

You make it sound like I'm a horrible person for defending my rights.

At 5/18/14 08:40 PM, Back-From-Purgatory wrote: I'm gonna simplify my statement:

I do not appreciate someone making money off my stuff for a service I did not ask for.

If you don't have a problem with someone doing that to you, that's your decision. But I do not appreciate it.

Fine, let me simplify my statement:

You have bigger problems than xmillsa. You're shooting a fish when you should be looking for a shark.

At 5/18/14 08:45 PM, Blackhole12 wrote:

At 5/18/14 08:40 PM, Back-From-Purgatory wrote: I'm gonna simplify my statement:

I do not appreciate someone making money off my stuff for a service I did not ask for.

If you don't have a problem with someone doing that to you, that's your decision. But I do not appreciate it.

Fine, let me simplify my statement:

You have bigger problems than xmillsa. You're shooting a fish when you should be looking for a shark.

I'll shoot the shark when I find it. I'm not gonna sit here with my thumb up my ass while the fish fucks me over.

has anyone tried, y'know, contacting this guy instead of going mental? a couple of polite, but firm messages just asking what's up maybe. might be good yea.

At 5/18/14 09:10 PM, midimachine wrote: has anyone tried, y'know, contacting this guy instead of going mental? a couple of polite, but firm messages just asking what's up maybe. might be good yea.

I've mentioned numerous times, including in the original post that I've sent him a message about it asking him to either remove the monetization or to take my song down.

Xmillsa contacted me prior to uploading my songs to his channel. I told him he is free to do whatever he wants as long as I am properly credited. I wasn't aware of the monetizing, but the exposure and traffic he brought to my Newgrounds profile and whatnot means more to me than the small amount of money he might be making. Not saying it's right, but I just wanted to throw out there that I am completely fine with him uploading any of my work.

There are a lot of people who are overacting.
Sure Xmillsa made some mistakes but it's not like he killed someone.
Yes, people should be respectful of artists' work.
Yes, he should not monetize without permission.
If he doesn't comply and refuses to cooperate take the necessary action. End of story.

Getting angry when other people break the rules doesn't actually accomplish anything.

At 5/18/14 08:46 PM, Back-From-Purgatory wrote: I'll shoot the shark when I find it. I'm not gonna sit here with my thumb up my ass while the fish fucks me over.

Channels posting songs from newgrounds:

https://www.youtube.com/user/Xmillsa
https://www.youtube.com/user/NewgroundsPicks
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyKjEet15f1oyzUdkxIY1uA
https://www.youtube.com/user/NGportal/
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheMusicOfNewGrounds
https://www.youtube.com/user/Kealias
https://www.youtube.com/user/HNUTER116
https://www.youtube.com/user/XxDigitalDaftPunkxX
https://www.youtube.com/user/Drowfan
https://www.youtube.com/user/justin0o2
https://www.youtube.com/user/numel007
https://www.youtube.com/user/FrekinSmart
https://www.youtube.com/user/Xsalvaz
https://www.youtube.com/user/FIGGYXfiggy
https://www.youtube.com/user/Castaway2297
https://www.youtube.com/user/MasteRemolacha
https://www.youtube.com/user/ZomgMusic94
https://www.youtube.com/user/GabytzuFly
https://www.youtube.com/user/BestMusicOfAllTimes
https://www.youtube.com/user/TntHhd
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheShanemclark
https://www.youtube.com/user/AmphibiousFries
https://www.youtube.com/user/milliperezxx1
https://www.youtube.com/user/dominkusz19
https://www.youtube.com/user/darkhalo365
https://www.youtube.com/user/GlassSkinned
https://www.youtube.com/user/Octrox
https://www.youtube.com/user/ParagonX94
https://www.youtube.com/user/Darkfire7321
https://www.youtube.com/user/cosmopax500
https://www.youtube.com/user/Charizard632
https://www.youtube.com/user/kroqgar78
https://www.youtube.com/user/HDSUGR78504
https://www.youtube.com/user/TechnoClassic

At this point I gave up. I have no idea how many of these channels are monetized, but my point is that there's a gajillion of them. Stealing a song and claiming as your own is a cardinal sin. Posting a song, giving credit, and then monetizing it without asking permission is a simple mistake.

At 5/18/14 10:55 PM, Blackhole12 wrote: (list snip)
At this point I gave up. I have no idea how many of these channels are monetized, but my point is that there's a gajillion of them. Stealing a song and claiming as your own is a cardinal sin. Posting a song, giving credit, and then monetizing it without asking permission is a simple mistake.

I went through your entire list. Yes... I checked out every single channel (Not every single video of every channel... because I'm not sitting here all night doing that)... And not one of them is monetizing stuff they don't own. The only ads I saw in any of those channels were third party ads that generate revenue for the original artist instead of the channel that uploaded the song.

Again... I have no problem with someone promoting peoples work. The issue is that he is monetizing that work, when he has absolutely no right to.

If he were running a proper promotional channel, and had permission from the artists to monetize it, then there wouldn't be an issue. But your list did nothing but prove my point further. He is the only person on that list who is illegally monetizing his videos.

Hell... some of the people in that list aren't even monetizing their own stuff... let alone the stuff of others.

At 5/18/14 10:39 PM, CzeryWassierSwizier wrote: Getting angry when other people break the rules doesn't actually accomplish anything.

I am not angry because he's breaking the rules, I'm getting angry because people are telling me I have no right to defend my property.

At 5/18/14 11:55 AM, ForgottenDawn wrote:

At 5/18/14 11:48 AM, Troisnyx wrote: So you are KKSlider60???

Yes I am, haha. :)

What? You're trippin'! I thought you were a new user.

On Topic

I don't understand why anyone would be getting mad at Back-From-Purgatory for just wanting what's right. Especially when she acts on an individual scale and makes that abundantly clear.

This thread is about awareness. Let's try not to point fingers and curse each other here.

At 5/18/14 11:30 PM, Rahmemhotep wrote:

At 5/18/14 11:55 AM, ForgottenDawn wrote:

At 5/18/14 11:48 AM, Troisnyx wrote: So you are KKSlider60???

Yes I am, haha. :)

What? You're trippin'! I thought you were a new user.

On Topic

I don't understand why anyone would be getting mad at Back-From-Purgatory for just wanting what's right. Especially when she acts on an individual scale and makes that abundantly clear.

This thread is about awareness. Let's try not to point fingers and curse each other here.

Thank you... finally someone that gets it.

On that note, I will no longer be responding to the people who believe I shouldn't care that someone is stealing my stuff. I've sent the guy a message, if he does not heed it, I will issue a strike. End of story.

If you have a problem with that, tough shit, maybe you should tell your buddy there that he shouldn't be profiting off stuff he has no right to without consent from the original artists.

At 5/18/14 11:33 PM, Back-From-Purgatory wrote: On that note, I will no longer be responding to the people who believe I shouldn't care that someone is stealing my stuff. I've sent the guy a message, if he does not heed it, I will issue a strike. End of story.

If you have a problem with that, tough shit, maybe you should tell your buddy there that he shouldn't be profiting off stuff he has no right to without consent from the original artists.

You of course have a right to send him a message to take down the song. I'm confidant he will, assuming he checks his messages regularly. Hell, I had him on skype once, I'll send him a message myself on skype just to make sure he knows what's going on, and maybe he can come and clear this up himself. He lives in the UK, though, so they're all asleep by now. I'm not sure if he still has skype, either.

Then we can all nicely and patiently explain what's going on, why you don't want your song monetized, and ask for it to be removed/get monetization turned off.

What really pissed me off here was you going in, calling him a twat, and accusing him of deliberately taking your stuff and making money off it, which was completely uncalled for, because you haven't even given him a chance to explain himself.

Maybe something changed. Maybe he abruptly turned into an asshole in the past 3 years or something. If so, go right ahead and be pissed at him. But please don't go around pointing fingers before you even know what's going on. That's what really pissed me off. The entire tone of this thread was unnecessary. It probably should have gone: "Hey guys, xmillsa seems to have enabled monetization. You can send him a notice to have your song removed here." instead of making the thread title "Another twat taking our stuff", which really doesn't encourage civil discourse.

If it were me, I wouldn't want anyone making money off my stuff without my knowledge AND consent.

I'm glad that someone is looking out for shit like this at any rate.

also LOL @ those who think BFP is a female
also LOL @ those who think BFP is a male.

At 5/19/14 12:09 AM, Blackhole12 wrote: The entire tone of this thread was unnecessary. It probably should have gone: "Hey guys, xmillsa seems to have enabled monetization. You can send him a notice to have your song removed here." instead of making the thread title "Another twat taking our stuff", which really doesn't encourage civil discourse.

pretty much this.

daniel harris was one thing, cause he was basically using NG as a ghost production service. but this guy has been putting songs from NG on youtube for years, is well known by many past and present AP users and until recently has been completely above board about it (for both musicians and the artists whose pictures he uses). i suspect youtube automatically puts ads on your videos once you reach a certain number of subscribers, but i could be wrong!

well, whatever. if xmillsa comes here and pulls a daniel harris "sorry not sorry" post out, then it's game on.

Eh, before he goes ahead and monetises music he should shoot a PM to the original artist first. Maybe I've been living under a rock too but I haven't heard of this guy until now. I've had people promote my stuff on their channel in the past but not only did they let me know about it first but they even asked for permission AND linked me to the track on YouTube when they posted it. Usually, this is just common courtesy, but when there's money involved - no matter the amount - it should be more than expected from the YouTube promoter to send a PM before uploading anything.

Having said that, I'm cool with him uploading my music and I think he's doing a good job at promoting and crediting the original artists. I certainly wouldn't go so far as to accuse him of stealing, since he's probably making a measly amount of money from each song and he's crediting the original artists with a link to their music on Newgrounds as well. Not only that, but he seems to be willing to take down any track if asked to do so by the content creator. Anyway, what he's doing is technically not legal, and I still think he should contact the original artist first, but otherwise I agree that this is being looked at wrongly.

Thanks for the heads up BFP.

At 5/19/14 12:09 AM, Blackhole12 wrote: The entire tone of this thread was unnecessary. It probably should have gone: "Hey guys, xmillsa seems to have enabled monetization. You can send him a notice to have your song removed here." instead of making the thread title "Another twat taking our stuff", which really doesn't encourage civil discourse.

The reason for the hostility is because of the recent rise in spottings of people stealing our stuff and blatantly using it for their own purposes. Call us mean, but we're not taking any chances, and even though I understand you might be taking things personal because you know the person behind the whole thing, calling people dumb over the internet is never a good way of getting your point across.

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Anyways, with all the random drama aside, my stance on this issue is the same as BFP's. However good your friend's outreach is with his channel, I don't see how he would get a free pass, since as you showed yourself, there are plenty of other channels that do the same thing as him, but don't have monetization activated.

I fully understand why he's doing it, and I support his idea, but as a publicity platform showing off tracks under CC, he has to follow a certain number of criteria in order to be eligible for that compensation, and while he's done most things right, he hasn't asked for the consent of the artist he's promoting, which unfortunately invalidates all other efforts he's done (however nice of him to have done it).

Thing is, however right you and him think he is, he can't just DECIDE that what he's doing is righteous and that he deserves a compensation for promoting our stuff, that's not how this business model works. This money he's getting, however minim and justified, is still made off the artist's back, since he hasn't asked for approval first.

And lastly, before you bring up his so-called "disclaimer" and removal policy, having the option to remove a song simply by asking him isn't AT ALL good enough, it's actually arrogant of him, because he's actually reversed the burden of approval from him TO THE ARTIST HE'S PROMOTING. So this means that instead of him having to ask every person he takes music from if he can use it, he can take whatever he wants, since he hasn't advised the artist of his actions, and IF the artist finds out about this, the THE ARTIST is the one that needs to take action. This to me, seems unfair and immoral.

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Just my two cents, but I just want you to understand where BFP is coming from with this thread. I think this is a fair criticism to this channel, which, as you pointed out, already has a fair bit of exposure. If he can change his way of picking his artists and simply add the one step of sending a blanket request of approval of use, as far as I'm concerned, he can keep at it, but just cherry-picking his music and keeping the artist in question in the dark is NOT a healthy way of doing business, however nice you say the guy is.

Anyways, thanks for taking a look at my ramblings about a topic close to my heart, and I hope you'll at least see our point of view a bit more clearly.

At 5/19/14 02:03 AM, camoshark wrote: The reason for the hostility is because of the recent rise in spottings of people stealing our stuff and blatantly using it for their own purposes. Call us mean, but we're not taking any chances, and even though I understand you might be taking things personal because you know the person behind the whole thing, calling people dumb over the internet is never a good way of getting your point across.

I know this is why there was hostility. That is exactly why I rushed to defend him, because I was worried BFP was going to stir up a mob with pitchforks over a guy who will take your song down if you just send him a polite message about it, simply because everyone on here has been on edge since the daniel harris incident. The thread title and the giant angry smiley didn't help one bit.

We do not need to crucify this guy. BFP and anyone else who doesn't like monetization just needs to send him a message and be done with it. No pitchforks.

I see some valid points from quite a number of people. I feel the reaction to this news was a little extreme, but the news itself is still warranting of concern.

Although I may not feel strongly for my work (notably my older material) as others due to the volume and generally brief time I spend on each piece and my liberal views on property and the role of the public domain, I definitely understand concerns about the monetization of one's works. I too have felt this way on certain works. It is certainly the decision of each artist on how much time they want to devote to combatting piracy, monetization, resale, etc. of their work. If BFP wants to spend time doing this, then so be it- it's his/her music and his/her decision.

I still have no idea what BFP's gender is... sorry BFP.

At 5/19/14 12:09 AM, Blackhole12 wrote: The entire tone of this thread was unnecessary. It probably should have gone: "Hey guys, xmillsa seems to have enabled monetization. You can send him a notice to have your song removed here." instead of making the thread title "Another twat taking our stuff", which really doesn't encourage civil discourse.

Even better, you could have simply dealt with it without offering troll fodder (you already successfully fed one troll, how many more will come here to bitch?). We have enough drama around here to make one think this place is full of pre-pubescent junior high girls catching up on the latest gossip (or is it?). Some PMs or perhaps a more informative title ("XMillsa is monetizing our songs!"?). Instead I came running in here expecting to see some idiot taking our music and renaming it and putting it on CD Baby and all it is is some youtube artist clicked a button and is now making almost a tenth as much as earnings from four years at NG (can I buy that sandwich yet?). I wanted bloodshed, and I am dissapoint. It's like Troll 2- not one troll in the whole damn movie!

At 5/19/14 02:03 AM, camoshark wrote: The reason for the hostility is because of the recent rise in spottings of people stealing our stuff and blatantly using it for their own purposes. Call us mean, but we're not taking any chances, and even though I understand you might be taking things personal because you know the person behind the whole thing, calling people dumb over the internet is never a good way of getting your point across.

I think we're just "growing up" on the internet and our work becoming quality enough for people to want to use it, and now we're noticing that they're doing it. I understand a "take no chances" policy- it's scary that someone can do something with something you worked on for hours or even days and see income while you don't see any recompence.

Anyways, with all the random drama aside, my stance on this issue is the same as BFP's. However good your friend's outreach is with his channel, I don't see how he would get a free pass, since as you showed yourself, there are plenty of other channels that do the same thing as him, but don't have monetization activated.

Exposure doesn't excuse extortion; however cool it is that several hundred people checked your music out, it's still not right that he got some money for just giving a link, especially when he didn't even offer to share half the sandwich with you, and also super especially if he didn't even ask you if it was okay!

So this means that instead of him having to ask every person he takes music from if he can use it, he can take whatever he wants, since he hasn't advised the artist of his actions, and IF the artist finds out about this, the THE ARTIST is the one that needs to take action. This to me, seems unfair and immoral.

This is an interesting observation... I didn't even think about this until you said it. I have spent more than a spell browsing the internet checking for my pieces or virtual instruments in stolen form (the latter of which I have all but ceased attempts to stop). It's funny that the only people who usually ask for permission to use one of my works are the ones you would expect wouldn't think to- teenagers and kids, while the people who take your work and throw it up without bothering to clear it or inform you (if it's a legal use) are generally older.

So yeah... I agree with BFP's fundemental argument, but not the contents. I think an issue like this should be quietly and swiftly cleaned up- a message here, a few PMs there. This public trial and execution is a messy and troll-feeding affair that only degrades the trust between the slowly shrinking population of the portal forum.

At 5/19/14 02:53 AM, samulis wrote: So yeah... I agree with BFP's fundemental argument, but not the contents

I'll be the first to admit I'm not very good at expressing myself accurately or efficiently, but I'm glad you understand what I'm getting at.

The whole torches and pitchforks thing wasn't at all my intention, I simply wanted to inform those that may not have known their content was being monetized without their knowledge. Yes, I came off harsh, but that's what happens when I find someone monetizing my content... I get upset. It is no better than theft in my eyes.

If I was just out to trash the guys channel, I would have just done it. I could have easily had his account terminated shortly after I found he was monetizing my stuff. I didn't do that, I sent him a message and told him to remove my song or the monetization, then I came here and posted this thread so people know their music is being monetized.

And then I started getting attacked for it, because it's apparently bad of me to watch out for the rights of others.

I still have no idea what BFP's gender is... sorry BFP.

No reason to apologize, I'm quite amused that people still fight over it. (Yes... people have actually fought over my gender.)