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Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 01:24:04 Reply

Whether they're shaped by the society they live in or they're just naturally like that the second they came out of the womb, what do you think?

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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 01:53:54 Reply

At 3/21/13 01:24 AM, darklink4567 wrote: Whether they're shaped by the society they live in or they're just naturally like that the second they came out of the womb, what do you think?

I think both is true.

People who are shaped by their environment have the mental advantages or disadvantages that everyone else has. Everyone is in some way limited to what they can accomplish with their mind, because every brain is unique. Brain health can be effected by environment in itself.

Of course we know about genetics as well. Mental disorders often run in the family, but so does talent. It may also be linked to generations of people living in the same environment. Social status plays a larger role for some, but not for others. A man surrounded by friends is different from a man surrounded by enemies; is different from a man alone by himself.

When it comes right down to it, I think we are all born with the same capabilities when it comes to murder. Murder is an easy enough thing to do that anyone could potentially be a killer. It's instinct, and a role of the dice really. It's like how many times will you go for a drive before you have an accident. Every time you go for a ride, and it doesn't happen is another roll of the dice. One minute taken out of any equation of possibilities would set a chain reaction of different events. It's like playing the lottery, would much greater chances of winning.

"Evil" things that we could potentially do will always exist, and as long as we are alive, we have the options in front of us. Choices are really a matter of environment too. Different countries give different people different rights. If I was born into a family that normalized and provoked me to kill, or steal, how can "evil" be judged?

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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 02:00:22 Reply

no, people who were known as heinous in history usually had enviromental factors mainly affect them, Adolf, if he was actually racist (I heard somewhere that he only acted racist so he would be elected as rule of Germany around that time for the money and power, if that was the case, than those were the factors) was racist because the area he grew up in wasn't entirely Jewish friendly, Germany and Austria were racist against Jews long before Hitler came into power (so I've heard)

Stalin? He was paranoid that somebody like from the UK or the United States would try to come to the USSR and shoot him in the head, thus, he turned his country into a military fortress.


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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 02:01:04 Reply

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130225162231.ht m
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/182/1/5.full

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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 02:03:21 Reply

People become "evil" through neglect and abuse as a child or some form of traumatic even later in life (usually the former or both).


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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 02:18:55 Reply

At 3/21/13 02:03 AM, dreaming-loudly wrote: People become "evil" through neglect and abuse as a child or some form of traumatic even later in life (usually the former or both).

I think you're right, but I also think people can be born with preexisting mental disorders. The brain is an organ like any other. It can form in such a way that puts that person at a predisposition to do certain things. Whether it be right or wrong. Biology doesn't know what right and wrong is, and will make any number of different brains.

Even physical things like weight, height, color, etc. can be added to the equation. These thing, within society are subject to cause and effect.

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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 02:23:39 Reply

also, not to mention stalin's father was an alcoholic who frequently beat his wife and son, i'm sure that was good for his physche.

Please, please, newgrounders, if you have children, don't drink heavily to the point where you don't remember what you're doing, you may cause your son to release his anger at the general public by being an oppressive leader or have hate rallies targetted toward specific groups of people.


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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 02:25:35 Reply

At 3/21/13 02:18 AM, Stereocrisis wrote: people can be born with preexisting mental disorders.

Actually people can be born more prone to mental disorders through family genetics. Babies don't just fall out of the womb bat shit crazy unless the mother did drugs or something.


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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 02:30:56 Reply

At 3/21/13 02:25 AM, dreaming-loudly wrote:
At 3/21/13 02:18 AM, Stereocrisis wrote: people can be born with preexisting mental disorders.
Actually people can be born more prone to mental disorders through family genetics. Babies don't just fall out of the womb bat shit crazy unless the mother did drugs or something.

That's what I was talking about.

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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 02:31:38 Reply

The answer is hard to answer properly, because what is deemed by the society as "evil" changes over time, and there's no way to accurately measure the "evilness" of children growing up.

My personal take is there's a 50/50 genetics, environment split in what causes a person to grow up to be "evil". I'm thinking evil in the terms of extreme misanthropy. There can be mental disorders that follow from the beginning, causing symptoms like various degrees of psychopathy. In other cases, parents neglect is the underlying cause, perhaps working as some kind of trigger of what's already there?

These are only speculations. We don't know enough about the human brain to determine specific things like this as of now.


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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 02:31:52 Reply

Not at all.


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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 02:36:04 Reply

I'm not saying that statement isn't true but I doubt it. I've heard nothing scientific to support that.


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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 02:46:59 Reply

At 3/21/13 02:31 AM, Havegum wrote: The answer is hard to answer properly, because what is deemed by the society as "evil" changes over time, and there's no way to accurately measure the "evilness" of children growing up.

I touched upon this too in my response. You're correct.

My personal take is there's a 50/50 genetics, environment split in what causes a person to grow up to be "evil".

I believe this, only it's not 50/50 in all cases. Some people can be born with a predisposition for doing evil things. Some people are not. Both examples of these people can either live in a bad environment or a good one. Then it depends on time. How long can this particular mind live in this particular environment before it becomes full aware of it's talents, it's short-comings, it's win, and losses... and also, like a roll of the dice, when will this person kill? In time, anything is possible. I think we would see more people become murderers if humans lived to be 1,000.

I'm thinking evil in the terms of extreme misanthropy. There can be mental disorders that follow from the beginning, causing symptoms like various degrees of psychopathy.

Yes.

In other cases, parents neglect is the underlying cause, perhaps working as some kind of trigger of what's already there?

Definitely.

These are only speculations. We don't know enough about the human brain to determine specific things like this as of now.

It's complicated. Every brain is different. Every body is different. Science can only come so far before it hits a brick wall because learning about the human brain is done so by case steadies, and testing multiple individuals. But as much as we know, it is down to the test subjects. So many factors can alter the results in just one test subject, and we have to test millions before we can find the medium. The medium would equal a general basis to stand on. The majority of people would be the normal ones, (or perhaps the insane ones, as we live in a crazy world.)

But it doesn't matter, because times change, and generations of people die, leaving more testing to be done. Figuring out how one human mind works is easy. But differentiating one mind from the rest of the population is another. How could you even judge something to be evil or good? Just like you said.

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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 03:06:13 Reply

It's been scientifically proven that some people have a higher capacity to do bad things than others

From there, weather or not they become "evil" depends on their upbringing, their surroundings, and the environment they're raised in


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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 03:10:09 Reply

I'm generally a nice person because I choose to be regardless of all the shit in my past, as a matter of fact, without the shit I've been through I don't think I would be nearly as nice.

I guess I was lucky to not have any psychological deficiencies at birth as well as a will strong enough to not be deterred by other people's evil.


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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 03:10:51 Reply

At 3/21/13 03:07 AM, Unprovoked wrote:
At 3/21/13 03:06 AM, Xenomit wrote: It's been scientifically proven that some people have a higher capacity to do bad things than others

From there, weather or not they become "evil" depends on their upbringing, their surroundings, and the environment they're raised in
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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 03:12:56 Reply

At 3/21/13 02:30 AM, Stereocrisis wrote: That's what I was talking about.

Oh whoops. You weren't very clear with the whole predisposition thing. Sounded like you were talking about schizoid babies.


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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 04:02:58 Reply

No one is neither good nor bad. A person can be relatively good most of the time but still do bad things. A person may do bad things majority of the time but may still do good things.


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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 05:16:39 Reply

At 3/21/13 01:24 AM, darklink4567 wrote: Whether they're shaped by the society they live in or they're just naturally like that the second they came out of the womb, what do you think?

I believe people are born good. It's their parents and/or society that usually corrupts them.

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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 14:27:01 Reply

People are definitely born undisciplined. Talking about evil, etc, just makes immaturity sound like like something solid.

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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 14:42:40 Reply

No one is born with a default concept of good an evil, they don't even have a concept of cause or consequence nor are they even self aware at birth so what the fuck makes you think they understand right from wrong and the whys behind them? People who commit heinous crimes without being straight up sociopathic are noted for having really shitty childhoods like Charles Manson where his mother sold him off to a barmaid for a pint of beer among a myriad of other things she did.

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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 14:43:12 Reply

At 3/21/13 02:27 PM, LionzNTiggerz wrote: People are definitely born undisciplined.

I wonder if discipline can be classified as good or evil. Is it good to be disciplined? Or is it evil? Good because it promotes character and respect? Evil because it stifles and compromises originality? Good because a disciplined person will be able to do things like hold a job, and keep a strong family structure, and a healthy moral/belief system? Evil because jobs are for suckers lacking innovative qualities, will raise a family of yuppie sheep morons, and morals and beliefs are just another way of saying their shit doesn't stink. Discipline causes a person to do a fair amount of needless judging of others, all while pushing their beliefs in your face to show you that they are better than you. Ridiculous made-up standards of living form a foundation in the shape of a pedestal. People on their high horse, believing that their way of life is superior, and whoever doesn't meet the criteria is some kind of fuck up.

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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 14:49:13 Reply

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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 15:13:53 Reply

At 3/21/13 01:24 AM, darklink4567 wrote: Whether they're shaped by the society they live in or they're just naturally like that the second they came out of the womb, what do you think?

They're just naturally like that...
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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 15:35:49 Reply

At 3/21/13 01:24 AM, darklink4567 wrote: Whether they're shaped by the society they live in or they're just naturally like that the second they came out of the womb, what do you think?

I would say they were born ignorant and neutral.

In the end it depends on the environment.


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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 15:58:00 Reply

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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 16:02:48 Reply

They can only turn evil by being with wrong influences while growing up in life. They are good people who roam Earth and they are demons within people who never deserved the bad life.

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They are not evil, they are dull. Pure evil is scarce.


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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 16:07:27 Reply

I think it could happen either way.


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Response to Do you believe people are born evil 2013-03-21 17:12:42 Reply

They are raised evil, not born evil.


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