At 6/20/09 11:27 AM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: Stay away from Nvidia, get a 4890 instead.

It's free and a GTX 285 is faster, so there's no reason for me to get a 4890.

At 6/20/09 11:32 AM, X8X wrote: It's free and a GTX 285 is faster, so there's no reason for me to get a 4890.

Definitely go for it. They make like a faulty card for one in a million and I think TSF just got one of those and that's why he's a bit angry.

At 6/20/09 11:52 AM, PolishMatt wrote:

At 6/20/09 11:32 AM, X8X wrote: It's free and a GTX 285 is faster, so there's no reason for me to get a 4890.

Definitely go for it. They make like a faulty card for one in a million and I think TSF just got one of those and that's why he's a bit angry.

Actually, I saw somewhere a while back that the failure rate for 280s was somewhere around 10%. EVGA doesn't sell the 280 anymore; do you think if I RMA I'd get a 285?

State of panic.

I took my 280 out to clean out some dust. It was clean. The thing was, I tried taking out the metal bracket on the back of it. I bent it a little. I figured no big deal, and put it back in. Then I got error codes 52 and 00 while booting, neither of which are in the manual. After two hardlocks while loading Windows, I seem to be okay. One issue though. I'm getting the same connectivity issues I was just before my first motherboard went out. MSN and Aim won't work, and chrome is acting very screwy (issues with passwords and logging in)

Suggestions go.

At 6/20/09 01:10 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: Actually, I saw somewhere a while back that the failure rate for 280s was somewhere around 10%. EVGA doesn't sell the 280 anymore; do you think if I RMA I'd get a 285?

Source? 10% would be very high, checked it on Newegg and didn't saw that many people with a broken one. I'm going for an XFX GTX 285.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as px?Item=N82E16814150334

At 6/20/09 02:05 PM, X8X wrote: I'm going for an XFX GTX 285.

It will go great with your username.

Corny joke of the day.

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At 6/20/09 11:47 PM, TacoFreak wrote: Unicorns.

Good work.

This computer is so messed up sometimes. I reset my CMOS, but my problems didn't really go away until I overclocked back to 3.8 .

wut

Anyways, I'm wondering how high I should overclock this thing. Temperatures are currently 55C at load. I'm using 1.3 VCore, and have 1600FSB. I want 1800FSB, which will give me 4.275ghz. I know the last time I did that, I needed something like 1.425VCore, which is a big increase. This isn't the philosophical question, "Is overclocking worth it?", I'm wondering if I can actually hit that speed for daily usage.

lolololol 4 cores

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id =590764

It's time for another RMA.

These temps were reached with a 25% underclock, and using furmark at stock, the card easily goes high enough to trigger thermal shutdown.

/bump.

Final list, unless it all doesn't fit together.

CPU
Motherboard
Hard Drive
GPU (specs)
PSU
Memory
DVD
Case
Monitor

Overall $652.

If you bothered to look it over, thanks. thoughts comments. speak now or forever hold your peace.

At 6/24/09 03:45 PM, mooguy wrote: /bump.

I'd say get a bigger screen for the same/a little more money.
And get a nicer, full tower case. It's worth the $

So you guys know a lot about computers..
Can someone help me, my computer falls out every time that i play or watch something from flash, i don't know what's wrong..

At 6/25/09 03:22 AM, TheWolfe wrote:

At 6/24/09 03:45 PM, mooguy wrote: /bump.

I'd say get a bigger screen for the same/a little more money.
And get a nicer, full tower case. It's worth the $

By nicer, do you mean bigger?

So you guys know a lot about computers..

Can someone help me, my computer falls out every time that i play or watch something from flash, i don't know what's wrong..

what exactly happens? overheats or just shuts down?

At 6/24/09 03:45 PM, mooguy wrote: /bump.

Final list, unless it all doesn't fit together.

CPU
Motherboard
Hard Drive
GPU (specs)
PSU
Memory
DVD
Case
Monitor

Overall $652.

If you bothered to look it over, thanks. thoughts comments. speak now or forever hold your peace.

Needs a cpu cooler. Those processors overclock like crazy.

At 6/25/09 04:37 PM, TacoFreak wrote:

At 6/24/09 03:45 PM, mooguy wrote: /bump.

Final list, unless it all doesn't fit together.

CPU
Motherboard
Hard Drive
GPU (specs)
PSU
Memory
DVD
Case
Monitor

Overall $652.

If you bothered to look it over, thanks. thoughts comments. speak now or forever hold your peace.

Needs a cpu cooler. Those processors overclock like crazy.

Case comes with a cooler. wheather it's good or not, I'm not all too sure.

At 6/26/09 11:05 AM, mooguy wrote: Case comes with a cooler. wheather it's good or not, I'm not all too sure.

He meant a CPU cooler you tool. And separately sold ones are always better.

At 6/26/09 11:39 AM, Jezuz wrote: Awesome motherboard. Check it out. DDR3, 16GB support for RAM, crazy amount of USB ports in the back...this thing is awesome. $179.99

I'll be bottlenecking the fuck out of my comp with my 8800GT

What do you mean? Are you talking about your current system? Because that won't happen for sure with the build you want to go with.

but since the board is DDR3, will that work?

Can't believe you're going to put a computer together and don't even the fundamentals such as RAM types. Long story short, no it won't work because aside from the different pin layout, the technology is completely upside down in comparison to DDR3.

Tell me what you guys think. Is this worth the 900 dollars?

Not really my cup of tea... I probably change everything , different people, different needs.

I also have someone offering a motherboard/CPU deal, for 240.

Motherboard.
Processor, which he supposedly is overclocking...I think. Says to 4.2 GHz, but I don't know, the guy probably sucks with computers.

Sarcasm/ Because overclocking is so hard to do. /Sarcasm. Unless you mention the model name and brand of the chip, we can't do much in telling you if this chip is good or not, mainly because of the MHz/GHz specification being completely useless to figure out the actual speed at which instructions are being executed by the processor, since six or so years ago when multi cored chips had started being released to the public. These chips work in a parallel rather than a series type of a system, so different mathetical equations and chip specs need to be placed into consideration to understand fully what the chip is worth.

They're both used, but the Motherboard is fairly new as his other one RMA'd. Which do you think would be better to do? 900 dollar awesome computer, or more budget worthy 240 dollar good computer that's used?

It's time to grow up and evolve. Unless your needs for a computer are comparable to that of a soccer mom's; than you should go for the budget build; if not, get the custom build. A bit of a no brainer.

I just made some upgrades.

I got a new graphics card, a new multicard reader (in the 3.5'' external bay), and a second monitor. I'm running a dual monitor setup with my new 22'' 1680x1050 monitor (2 ms delay, 20,000:1 contrast) and my old 15'' 1024x768. I might buy a second high quality monitor and scrap the old 15'', but I don't have the cash for it at the moment.

At 6/26/09 01:46 PM, Jezuz wrote:
On that note, I'm aware of your fanboyism towards Intel, but they really aren't that fucking special anymore. I'm running a Core 2 Duo, and it was a great processor, but their time is done sweet heart. In a couple years, they'll be back on top, but right now any smart consumer wouldn't touch an Intel processor or board with a hammer.

The core i7 looks awesome. It has great speeds, a large cache, it can handle a lot of RAM, and unlike the new AMD processor, it is compatible with both DDR3 and DDR2 RAM.

At 6/26/09 01:04 PM, PolishMatt wrote: He meant a CPU cooler you tool. And separately sold ones are always better.

</Pissy fit> ?

but since the board is DDR3, will that work?

Can't believe you're going to put a computer together and don't even the fundamentals such as RAM types. Long story short, no it won't work because aside from the different pin layout, the technology is completely upside down in comparison to DDR3.

Guess not.

Motherboard.
Processor, which he supposedly is overclocking...I think. Says to 4.2 GHz, but I don't know, the guy probably sucks with computers.

Sarcasm/ Because overclocking is so hard to do. /Sarcasm.

For those who are new to overclocking, pumping voltage into their parts may not feel like the safest thing. No one said that overclocking was hard, but it can be tedious, changing settings and spending half a day stress testing. Besides, it seems like a nice gesture for the guy to throw in.

It's time to grow up and evolve. Unless your needs for a computer are comparable to that of a soccer mom's; than you should go for the budget build; if not, get the custom build. A bit of a no brainer.

An e8500 and a 750i is HARDLY a soccermom computer. It's a SLI capable board, and a dual-core considered to be golden for gaming and OCing.

Matt, one of the main purposes of this crew is to teach people enough about computers to build their own. No one starts out knowing DDR from DDR2, or even what a graphics card looks like. You know a good share about computers and can give good advice, but if you can't do so with patience and kindness, stop posting here.

At 6/26/09 03:34 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote:
For those who are new to overclocking, pumping voltage into their parts may not feel like the safest thing. No one said that overclocking was hard, but it can be tedious, changing settings and spending half a day stress testing. Besides, it seems like a nice gesture for the guy to throw in.

I would tend to agree. Over clocking is only easy if you really know what you are doing. My first time over clocking was back when a Pentium IV was considered astounding. I had to add three extra fans all around the chip to avoid overheating. I spent almost a week tweaking speeds, and I actually got it running at a speed that would be considered somewhat acceptable even by the standards of several years later.

An e8500 and a 750i is HARDLY a soccermom computer. It's a SLI capable board, and a dual-core considered to be golden for gaming and OCing.

I would tend to agree. A soccer mom computer is like putting together an Intel Pentium IV without OCing, an integrated graphics chip, a 40 GB hard drive, and a 300 watt PSU, installing one of the light versions of Linux, and just using it for basic word processing and web browsing. An e8500 and 750i is actually fairly decent.

Matt, one of the main purposes of this crew is to teach people enough about computers to build their own. No one starts out knowing DDR from DDR2, or even what a graphics card looks like. You know a good share about computers and can give good advice, but if you can't do so with patience and kindness, stop posting here.

When I first started out building computers I didn't even know what RAM was. Let the guy learn. No one starts out as an expert.

At 6/26/09 11:39 AM, Jezuz wrote: Alright, just going to do the comp I'm thinking of building right now. I have a 700W power supply, a 630GB hard drive, and a good large case to fit everything and then some. So this is my build. It's AMD, DDR3, will be DX11 too.

AMD Phenom 2 Black Edition (or something of the sort) x4 3.2GHz. It's $245.

Awesome motherboard. Check it out. DDR3, 16GB support for RAM, crazy amount of USB ports in the back...this thing is awesome. $179.99

1. DDR3 is a tiny upgrade if you don't have i7.

2. No. you will not use 16GB. 4GB is more than enough, 8 if you want to be futureproof and brag to all your friends. I have 2GB and it's fine.

3. OMG 50 USB PORTZZZZZZZZZZZ. Unless you will be using all of them at once there's no reason to get happy over usb ports.

I will be setting aside $400 for a DX11 card. If not one, then I will buy two smaller ones. Until then, I'll be bottlenecking the fuck out of my comp with my 8800GT, but that's okay. I might just wait until DX11 is released along with the first gen cards. Actually, will I be bottlenecking that bad? I'm not sure to be honest.

It's not bad. I'm actually planning to wait with my 9600GT until I can get my hands on a ATI dx11 card. You aren't necessarily bottlenecking unless you overclock far. What do you do on your computer anyways?

4GB 1600MHz DDR3 RAM for $93, I already have 800MHz DDR2 RAM, but since the board is DDR3, will that work? If it will...I don't know. I think I'll still upgrade.

Like I already said DDR3 is pretty unneeded. I guess you can go with it if you have money to spare.

Tell me what you guys think. Is this worth the 900 dollars?

Depends on what you do on your computer and such. You can just list parts and say if it's worth it without saying what you do.

I also have someone offering a motherboard/CPU deal, for 240.

Motherboard.
Processor, which he supposedly is overclocking...I think. Says to 4.2 GHz, but I don't know, the guy probably sucks with computers.

ThoseSneakyFrench?

That CPU can definitely hit 4.2 GHz on the right cooling, motherboard, and CPU stepping.

They're both used, but the Motherboard is fairly new as his other one RMA'd. Which do you think would be better to do? 900 dollar awesome computer, or more budget worthy 240 dollar good computer that's used?

Since when did CPU + Motherboard = computer

______

Sarcasm/ Because overclocking is so hard to do. /Sarcasm.

For those who are new to overclocking, pumping voltage into their parts may not feel like the safest thing. No one said that overclocking was hard, but it can be tedious, changing settings and spending half a day stress testing. Besides, it seems like a nice gesture for the guy to throw in.

Overclocking is a piece of cake. I agree at first it's a bit confusing but it's very simple and you will get the hang of it in no time.

Matt, one of the main purposes of this crew is to teach people enough about computers to build their own. No one starts out knowing DDR from DDR2, or even what a graphics card looks like. You know a good share about computers and can give good advice, but if you can't do so with patience and kindness, stop posting here.

BAWWW

I am building another computer (IF it gets built)

256 (or 512?) MB of RAM
? CPU
?G HDD
OS: FreeDOS+HX DOS extender (Yes, DOS is still here, but mainly in the underworld... and HX is quite popular...)

At 6/26/09 03:34 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: Matt, </3.

All I got to say is gg. I might seem like a dick at times but that's mostly because I am one. I'll tone it down but I get a bit excited on here and forget things.

At 6/26/09 05:58 PM, PolishMatt wrote:

At 6/26/09 03:34 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: Matt, </3.

All I got to say is gg. I might seem like a dick at times but that's mostly because I am one. I'll tone it down but I get a bit excited on here and forget things.

I like the way you are

At 6/26/09 05:58 PM, PolishMatt wrote:

At 6/26/09 03:34 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: Matt, </3.

All I got to say is gg. I might seem like a dick at times but that's mostly because I am one. I'll tone it down but I get a bit excited on here and forget things.

It's cool. I'm just saying, if some kid comes in here and gives a completely incompatible list of parts for a custom built computer, think what a douche he'd feel like if you told him he's an idiot. I honestly can't imagine how hard you'd rage if you saw some of the computer threads that have been going through general lately.

Anyways, this is CCC, not group, so, discuss.

The power behind this concept is amazing, but I don't think it'll phase out SSDs as the hard drive successor. Those things will still have their place where extreme durability is needed.

At 6/26/09 07:32 PM, Jezuz wrote:

The core i7 looks awesome. It has great speeds, a large cache, it can handle a lot of RAM, and unlike the new AMD processor, it is compatible with both DDR3 and DDR2 RAM.

The i7 is only compatible with DDR3.

I do believe that with overclocking and the amount of upgradeability this board has, I'll be able to use this board for a loooong time.

Sounds about right but not to make an outrageous comment as Bill gates did in 1981: ""640K of memory should be enough for anybody."; I think we are going to move to another type of computing (Or there will be a major change in one aspect of it) before we see a middle of the line computer at BestBuy boasting 16GB of RAM. Seriously, I don't know where the advancement of computers is going (Aside from the fact of trying to make increasingly smaller and less heat producing chips) but this doesn't look right when studying the history of it all.

If you can show me a benchmark of i7 DRASTICALLY destroying AMD in performance, then I also might consider

Done. Here are some bench marks for stuff that will be of most interest to most of us.

CPU Performance. Higher = better.
i7 920: 67K
X4 995: 34K
MainConcept. Lower = better.
i7 920: 1:42
X4 995: 2:37
Crysis. Higher = better.
i7 920: 140,9
X4 995: 107,8
3DMark. Higher = better.
i7 920: 16.3K
X4 995: 8.7K
Unreal Tournament 3. Higher = better.
i7 920: 136,9
X4 995: 106,7
HD Playback: Blu-Ray (You want to use the pc for a large plasma later, right?). Lower = better.
i7 920: 1,75
X4 995: 4,12

Here's a link for the rest of the benchmarks and even some detailed info: Link. So take a look at everything and keep in mind there is about a 130$ difference between the two chips, not including the price differences from a build for the i7 that would be comparable to your current AMD build in mind. Looking at this all again, the AMD chip has good performance for the price and if you only want to spend that much, I think you will be more than satisfied. Though that Phenom II X4 looks pretty good too now.

HI IM POLISH MATT ILL COMPARE A NEW INTEL CPU WITH AN OLD AMD CPU HURR HURR

At 6/26/09 09:09 PM, PolishMatt wrote: Though that Phenom II X4 looks pretty good too now.

Sounds like a pretty sound argument, except the 9950 is a phenom1 cpu.'

Here's a few gaming benchmarks that compare a C2Q, PhI, PhII, and i7.

This article concludes two things for me:
1. The 9950 that you referenced is a shitty CPU compared to PhII
2. The edge that i7 has in SOME games just doesn't justify the more expensive motherboards and DDR3

Here's a little graph I love that quite plainly what's what in terms of price/performance.