At 1/31/02 01:35 AM, RiftMaster wrote:
My stance on Wade Fulp:
"I really wanna like the guy, honest. But did any of you notice how the second he became actively involved in the site's management, that all those stupid porno ads started popping up all over the place, the Portal submission guidelines went down the crapper, and the site turned into cheeseball central?
LOL, who are you to talk? You have no clue who does what around Newgrounds. I have been involved in NG since September of 2000, LONG before the porn ads showed up. I don't really have any say about the ads, but if you want to know, Tom put up those ads, and I came into work and there they were, so it had nothing to do with me. It's Tom's site, and he tells me what to do and work on. I don't make decisions. I sometimes change the rotation of them, and we use the tamest ads we can find. We don't use any that show full nudity, and there is content on this site far worse than those ads, so what's the big deal? It's the same as seeing an ad for a racey movie on network TV. Sure, the TV ad doesn't show nudity, but if you go watch that movie it may contain a ton of nudity and sex.
As far as Portal guidelines, they haven't changed. We have lacked the means to enforce the guidelines we have. Soon we will have better tools to deal with that stuff, and I will be helping to clean things up.
As far as being cheeseball central you need to be more specific.
Man, how could Tom allow his bro to ruin this site?"
I follow Tom's instructions as far as making collections and series. If you think the site is being ruined, it isn't my fault.
Ok, ok, I realize those stupid-ass ads help pay for the site's hosting fees, etc. feed and clothe Tom and Wade every month, but c'mon, it's getting ridiculous. some of us just wanna watch/play NG stuff, not zone out to stupid porno crap. There's plenty of porn sites out there if yer a hard-up loser, it's not like we need it on NG.
It costs us money to host and maintain the site so YOU can watch/play NG stuff. We needs the ads to help offset the costs. We are simply advertising different sites, we don't host their content on Newgrounds.
Although, It IS nice how Wade puts together so many frickin' collections, it's really (ahem) fleshed out the site.
And hey someone's gotta do the gruntwork around here, so Tom can focus on making Pico 2.
But still I ain't Wade's biggest fan. (and seeing stupid dress-"up" games that took 30 seconds to make, getting top votes, while movies and games that actually took time to make, are given crappy scores, doesn't help this opinion of mine)
Here's the deal. Newgrounds.com is an entertainment site. People come here to be ENTERTAINED. Sure, there are lots of great artistic well done Flash movies that deserve higher scores, but no one would ever see them if we didn't have the Dress-Ups and other silly things to draw in the audience. So would you rather submit an artsy movie that is really well done and have it seen by 100 people, or 10,000? Newgrounds is all about giving artists a chance to expose their work to a lot of people. While a dress-up game may only take half a day to put together, go look at how many views they get. They help bring people to the site. Once people are here, hopefully they will look around and find the high end Flash.
Maybe someday we can classify submissions differently. So you can have a list of the top dress ups, a list of the top movies, a list of the top games, etc.
So don't be so quick to judge me. I have some flash submissions, but they are more for fun, I don't consider myself a great flash artist, I'm just messing around with it. My main job is to do the grunt work, like put together collections, series, update other sections, field questions, etc. All the stuff Tom would have to do that would keep him from doing Flash like Pico 2. I don't think I've made any collection without being told to by Tom. So don't blame me! :)