Mark Cuban for President, R or D

[DoctorStrongbad]

Mark Cuban Could Run for President in 2020 as a Republican. Is this a good idea? Would he have a better chance if he ran as a Democrat?

[aviewaskewed]

Republicans are the one's who elect actors and game show hosts so....

[aviewaskewed]

At 12/1/17 05:51 PM, Sause wrote: Think about it.

I think it could work. I think a lot of the time people are choosing between which is more important, my own opinions based on polls, anecdotal and whatever is that what people want is the sort of thing Gary Johnson described the Libertarian Party as: Fiscally conservative, socially don't give a damn. Essentially taking the banner adverstisements of each party (though they routinely fail to live up to them) and combining them. The problem of course there is we haven't seen a competent candidate come along who can do it.

[RoboRick]

At 12/1/17 03:22 PM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: Mark Cuban Could Run for President in 2020 as a Republican. Is this a good idea? Would he have a better chance if he ran as a Democrat?

In order for Cuban to run in 2020 as a Republican, Trump would need to be impeached and then Pence would have to choose not to run (or be impeached himself).

2024 would be an interesting time for him to run Republican.

Now, if Cuban wanted to run Democrat, it would be a tough battle for him... Right now the two front-runners are Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris.

Call me crazy, but I think he would do some good work for the Libertarian Party.

[EdyKel]

At 12/1/17 10:29 PM, RoboRick wrote:

At 12/1/17 03:22 PM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: Mark Cuban Could Run for President in 2020 as a Republican. Is this a good idea? Would he have a better chance if he ran as a Democrat?

In order for Cuban to run in 2020 as a Republican, Trump would need to be impeached and then Pence would have to choose not to run (or be impeached himself).

2024 would be an interesting time for him to run Republican.

Now, if Cuban wanted to run Democrat, it would be a tough battle for him... Right now the two front-runners are Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris.

Call me crazy, but I think he would do some good work for the Libertarian Party.

If he runs as an independent, or libertarian, he'll have a much harder time winning. People rarely pay attention to 3rd party candidates, with the way the system currently is. He won't get as much TV exposure, like Democrats and Republicans get with theirdebates. He might have a better chance at running as a Democrat.... hey, it worked for Trump, who was considered a Democrat by many before he started running as a far right Republican. And democrats don't have any real candidate for 2020, other than Bernie Sanders - which the DNC don't care for. They may be open to Cuban, since he has donated to the party before.

[Gario]

At 12/1/17 07:39 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:
I think it could work. I think a lot of the time people are choosing between which is more important, my own opinions based on polls, anecdotal and whatever is that what people want is the sort of thing Gary Johnson described the Libertarian Party as: Fiscally conservative, socially don't give a damn.

While the plurality of people say they're fiscally conservative, when you ask em' policy by policy they're absolutely not fiscally conservative. When people are polled and asked whether they're progressive or fiscally conservative they have no idea what that means, so I rather think that most people are in fact progressives based on the polling.

On topic with Mark Cuban, though, I sure as hell don't want him to represent Democrats. He's a little better than Trump, sure, but he's still a billionaire that has little to no experience in governing while having a vested interest in making life for the very rich better via tax 'reform'. Democrats were playing around with that a while back, so it was a possibility a while back. He'd make a pretty solid Libertarian, though.

[RoboRick]

At 12/2/17 01:45 AM, EdyKel wrote:

At 12/1/17 10:29 PM, RoboRick wrote:

At 12/1/17 03:22 PM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: Mark Cuban Could Run for President in 2020 as a Republican. Is this a good idea? Would he have a better chance if he ran as a Democrat?

If he runs as an independent, or libertarian, he'll have a much harder time winning. People rarely pay attention to 3rd party candidates, with the way the system currently is. He won't get as much TV exposure, like Democrats and Republicans get with theirdebates. He might have a better chance at running as a Democrat.... hey, it worked for Trump, who was considered a Democrat by many before he started running as a far right Republican. And democrats don't have any real candidate for 2020, other than Bernie Sanders - which the DNC don't care for. They may be open to Cuban, since he has donated to the party before.

I don't think that the DNC likes Bernie because he's a bit of a radical, however (outside of Harris) they really don't have anyone upto task, and with the recent spike of Sexual Harassment/Assault Scandals, it would be crazy to run Joe Biden... but then again the DNC was willing to run Hillary and we all know how that panned out. Out of Sander, Biden, and Harris... I like Harris the most (and this is coming from a non-democrat and a non-republican).

Back to Cuban, he can really run for whichever party he wants, but there is no doubt that the DNC has been shifting towards socialism (or as they like to package it "Democratic Socialism") for quite sometime, Cuban (a poster boy for Entrepreneurial Success) might not gel well with the direction the party want to go... but then again the DNC has been lost for awhile, maybe a novelty candidate would get that party back on track?

As a Libertarian, I would like him to run independent, so that we can win 5% of the national vote and get coverage in 2024... Speaking of which, how do you feel about Kane running for Mayor?

[orangebomb]

My biggest question is why the DNC would even consider Mark Cuban as a presidential nominee. He is certainly far better than Trump temperament wise, but the fact remains that he has no political experience whatsoever and it only serves to prove optics-wise that the Presidental office (or at least the DNC) can be bought again. Basically, it makes the talk that the DNC makes about progress and moving to the left seem more and more hollow, or at the very least no faith in their ranks.

I would be more comfortable if Cuban runs as an independent or as a Libertarian, considering that I would imagine that Cuban would be far more aligned to libertarianism than anything else. I doubt that it would really matter much though, if solely because 3rd parties aren’t successful on the federal level in the legislative branch, let alone the executive level.

[aviewaskewed]

At 12/1/17 10:29 PM, RoboRick wrote: In order for Cuban to run in 2020 as a Republican, Trump would need to be impeached and then Pence would have to choose not to run (or be impeached himself).

This is not strictly true. While it is the usual practice that the incumbent is nominated to run again (Especially when we're talking about POTUS) it is not unusual for others to throw their hat into that ring, just unusual that they gain any serious traction or threaten said incumbent. Now, assuming Trump's job performance and approval ratings continue into 2020 along the track they've gone this year he will be the weakest incumbent in Presidential history. It is almost INEVITABLE that he will face a primary challenger (at least one well funded one) based on that fact (and that the RNC and that wing of the party has never ever liked or wanted him). Now, who will that challenger be? Not sure. Definitely there are quite a few options from multiple wings, but the biggest issue will be have the Republicans learned their lesson about the vote splitting "clown car" aspect? Because that in large part is why Trump got the nod to begin with.

So, Cuban could absolutely run as a challenger to Trump, the question is how much traction could he get?

Now, if Cuban wanted to run Democrat, it would be a tough battle for him... Right now the two front-runners are Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris.

Lot's of people in that race I think. Sanders I think may not be as popular by then as he is now (and he'll be even further into his 70's by then). I'm curious as to why the Senator from my home state Corey Booker doesn't seem too high on folks' lists. It's seemed to me he's been building up for a run for about a decade now.

Call me crazy, but I think he would do some good work for the Libertarian Party.

I don't think you're crazy, just maybe a little misinformed. One of the issues for the Libertarian Party is that they don't ever seem to have a cohesive ideology as they attract many far right, and far left ideas under one tent and some of their conventions are awash in craziness and ideas that can't get done without a LOT of governmental support. Libertarians make the same mistakes as other smaller parties, they want the Presidential moonshot, but even if they get it they'd be hamstrung by not being able (most likely) to get a Congress that would in any way be interested in making that POTUS within even spitting distance of successful.

[EdyKel]

At 12/2/17 03:14 AM, RoboRick wrote:

At 12/2/17 01:45 AM, EdyKel wrote:

At 12/1/17 10:29 PM, RoboRick wrote:

At 12/1/17 03:22 PM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: Mark Cuban Could Run for President in 2020 as a Republican. Is this a good idea? Would he have a better chance if he ran as a Democrat?

If he runs as an independent, or libertarian, he'll have a much harder time winning. People rarely pay attention to 3rd party candidates, with the way the system currently is. He won't get as much TV exposure, like Democrats and Republicans get with theirdebates. He might have a better chance at running as a Democrat.... hey, it worked for Trump, who was considered a Democrat by many before he started running as a far right Republican. And democrats don't have any real candidate for 2020, other than Bernie Sanders - which the DNC don't care for. They may be open to Cuban, since he has donated to the party before.

I don't think that the DNC likes Bernie because he's a bit of a radical, however (outside of Harris) they really don't have anyone upto task, and with the recent spike of Sexual Harassment/Assault Scandals, it would be crazy to run Joe Biden... but then again the DNC was willing to run Hillary and we all know how that panned out. Out of Sander, Biden, and Harris... I like Harris the most (and this is coming from a non-democrat and a non-republican).

I don't think it would be crazy for them to run Joe Biden. He's not anywhere near being like Bernie Sanders, and he probably a lot cleaner than most politicians on sexual harassment. He 's also well known, and liked, among Democrats. His only fault is that he may not have anything that really excites his base, or attracts independents, other than being somewhat of a centrist, and not being Trump. As for Kamala Harris... I don't really have a problem with her, but like Biden, she doesn't have anything that can really attract voters other than not being Trump. She also runs into the same problem with Clinton, as her campaign will center a lot on women's rights, and her being a women, and less about economic issues, and not being Trump. We need someone who will speak to everyone not just to certain groups. We need that more than anything with all the divisions in the country.

Back to Cuban, he can really run for whichever party he wants, but there is no doubt that the DNC has been shifting towards socialism (or as they like to package it "Democratic Socialism") for quite sometime, Cuban (a poster boy for Entrepreneurial Success) might not gel well with the direction the party want to go... but then again the DNC has been lost for awhile, maybe a novelty candidate would get that party back on track?

The problem with Democrats is that they are not really about socialism - at least, not on the federal level, though states can be a different matter. That word goes around like racism for the right. It's just a gimmick, and more of a slur. A lot of Democrats receive campaign contributions from corporations, so they are going to be more beholden to capitalistic principles. They are also more divided than Republicans, given that they have more conservatives (blue dog Democrats) than Republicans have liberals, because of the districts they represent (rural and urban). I think Cuban would fit in right well with the party.

As a Libertarian, I would like him to run independent, so that we can win 5% of the national vote and get coverage in 2024... Speaking of which, how do you feel about Kane running for Mayor?

The problem with libertarianism is that it doesn't know what it's supposed to be, aside from a mesh mash of popular, but generic, ideas from the left and the right, that don't face the complexities of reality - and that's if libertarians can agree on a general direction of the party. It's what makes a lot of their policies impractical and ineffective, and often in conflict with one another. Libertarian is just good for exciting you people, and selling books, but little else.

As for Kane, running for Mayer.... He hits all the right buttons, but he also seems very vague, which is definitely a libertarian quality.

[aviewaskewed]

At 12/3/17 02:54 PM, Sekhem wrote: long answer: he should run toward the nearest trash compactor, ayn rand books in hand, and fit his entire body inside and leave all of his money to charity

I can't believe I forgot about the Ayn Rand stuff. Maybe it's because he's done such a good job at making his public image seem like such a nice, "down to earth billionaire" type over the last few years.

I'm generally hopeful that after the current disaster people are going to get over this idea of electing people without government experience or anything even close to the skill set to run government to government jobs.

[orangebomb]

At 12/3/17 08:44 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: I'm generally hopeful that after the current disaster people are going to get over this idea of electing people without government experience or anything even close to the skill set to run government to government jobs.

I hope so too, although we should’ve never have gotten here in the first place. I’m sure everyone knows this by now, but 2016 was a referendum on established politicians, what with the blue-collar vote swinging Republican and the rise of the alt-right. If nothing else, this should show that Democrats in general that they need to win over blue-collar and the casual voter, and with the current administration’s favoritism towards corporations in between ineptitude of a massive scale, they got no excuse not to get ahead in the coming elections.

[DoctorStrongbad]

At 12/1/17 05:51 PM, Sause wrote: I was a little confused by the title for a second, but then I thought, what if somebody ran as both a republican and a Democrat? Not like a third party, but two parties in one person.

Think about it.

I wasn't trying to make the title confusing, but there is a size limit. Had to figure out a way to squeeze it all in.

It would be interesting if somebody ran for both parties.

[aviewaskewed]

At 12/4/17 01:46 PM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: It would be interesting if somebody ran for both parties.

Well, you can't. It'd be like if you got a job as head chef at a restaurant, and then walked across the street and got a job at their competitor as head chef. Neither one of them would be happy with you, both of them wouldn't trust that you werent telling the other one all of their secrets, and you'd probably be fired from both of them pretty quick.

[aviewaskewed]

At 12/5/17 09:05 AM, TylerFromTexas wrote: Perhaps what he meant was Cuban running as a Repubican disguised as a Democrat?

I just tend to assume Strongbad should be taken at the letter of what he says because he showed me in the last election he (like so many Americans, so it's not a knock, it's a sad defect of the educational system) could benefit from a little Civics 101 and a much better American History primer then the one the schools give. A lot of people think "the way it's tended to go" is the same as "how it works and it cannot work any other way".

If Cuben seriously wants to run as president (I still scratch my head as to why people are wanting celebrities and busninessmen to run for president with no goverment background of any sort), he'll have to adopt a lot of Democratic wishes or challenge Trump head on for any chance to win.

I think it's a few different strands that have been building, and have finally crashed together. It's people being fed up with the "political class" and the sense that they're more beholden to their donors then to the public they serve (not an inaccurate observation, Republicans are admitting the tax bill is crafted to their donors and to appease them to keep the money machine printing). It's the sense that someone outside of government is the antidote to what ails them (lots of people saw Trump as a "business man" which fit the long held conception I'm sure we've all heard that if only we got someone to run government as a business, all our problems would be solved. Not realizing this is sort of like looking at a leaky basement and saying 'hey, you know who I need to call for this job? An electrician!' It's different skill sets with very little overlap if any. Also Trump is a celebrity con man who's business isn't what he claims it is). I also think the last bit is the celebrity culture we've created. Reality television stars are more "well known" and the public perceives to "understand who they are" more then politicians. Where all these things meet, you see how the candidacy of a Donald Trump and someone like him goes from being "oh please that won't happen" to "wait? He fucking WON?!" The question now is how much of the public who bought into Trump, are now seeing the facts and the reality of how little he's failing on major agenda bits, and where he is succeeding it's actually in areas that hurt his core base voter. If this "buyer's remorse" builds and sours the electorate on every trying an experiment like this again.

Ronald Reagan was a movie star, but to his credit he started off as a California Governor first. I would take Cuben more seriously if he ran for Governor (still a little high to start with, but it isn't the Presidency).

Quite a few governors have little to no political or executive experience when elected. Think Schwarzenneger, or Chris Christie (US Attorney isn't an executive or elective office), or his replacement incoming NJ Gov Phil Murphy (a former Goldman Sachs exec with no public policy experience). Governor isn't the moon shot that Trump pulled off, or that Cuban would be trying for. It's almost "common" for a Governor to be elected as their first political office.

[DoctorStrongbad]

At 12/5/17 09:05 AM, TylerFromTexas wrote: Perhaps what he meant was Cuban running as a Repubican disguised as a Democrat? Of course, the Dems would just tell him to fuck off because it goes against just about everything they preach. If Cuben seriously wants to run as president (I still scratch my head as to why people are wanting celebrities and busninessmen to run for president with no goverment background of any sort), he'll have to adopt a lot of Democratic wishes or challenge Trump head on for any chance to win.

I had heard he was going to run as a Republican just to battle it out with Trump. I was wondering if it would be easier to be a Democrat. That way they could have national debates. Making the fight set on a grander stage.

Ronald Reagan was a movie star, but to his credit he started off as a California Governor first. I would take Cuben more seriously if he ran for Governor (still a little high to start with, but it isn't the Presidency).

Ronald Reagan was a great President. It would be nice if Cuban had some sort of experience, but that did not hurt Donald Trump.

[aviewaskewed]

At 12/8/17 05:18 PM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: I had heard he was going to run as a Republican just to battle it out with Trump. I was wondering if it would be easier to be a Democrat. That way they could have national debates. Making the fight set on a grander stage.

You seem to forget the primary process, and that Dems don't tend to have the "scattershot" or "clown car" approach to primaries Republicans have. Part of why Trump managed to win the nomination was because all the establishment candidates were splitting the support too much among themselves, and fringe candidates with no hope ate up the rest. Whereas on the other side, I think you had 5 candidates total, which quickly wittled to 3....then eventually O'Malley got the memo that there was not going to be any room for him to try to be the compromise between Bernie and Hillary and then he dropped out. I dont think Cuban could make it through a Democratic primary, because it doesn't present the opportunities the Republican one does, and because I think he doesn't speak enough to the issues of the Progressive base.

Ronald Reagan was a great President.

Lol no, no he wasn't. He popularized a lot of the worst aspects of Republicanism that Trump successfully exploited.

It would be nice if Cuban had some sort of experience, but that did not hurt Donald Trump.

It's sure as shit hurting him now. He's figured out pretty fast that winning an election is fine and all that...but then you actually have to do the job.

[DoctorStrongbad]

If Mark Cuban runs, does he have to give up all his business like Donald Trump? I have never of that happening before it happened to Trump, but I guess that is a legal thing? Cuban will also have to stop being on Shark Tank, like Trump and The Apprentice.