At 9/11/17 04:24 PM, orangebomb wrote:

At 9/10/17 11:21 PM, Richard wrote:

At 9/10/17 01:07 PM, Zornuzkull wrote:

Not yelling communism at anything that even hints at reducing the almightyness of business owners might help.

do i look like an American?

Communism has never actually been implemented.

When you have things like human nature that gets involved, communism wasn't destined to work anyway.

I think a bit different: Communism almost always works. For the party members, that is.
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What? Communism isn't an outright lie taught to the masses in order to benefit a select few political dudes into getting to power and LITERALLY NEVER LETTING GO OF IT EVER? It's an actual socioeconomic model? Oh then I guess it's true - it's destined to fail.

Word of advice: Check out more on people who propose stupid ideas. I'm not saying a bearded german guy that can't take care of his own HOUSEHOLD is unfit to dictate stuff on a global scale, I'm just saying that it may shed some light on how things came to be. Lack of expertise shouldn't be praised!

At 9/11/17 10:33 AM, DamnedByFate wrote:

At 9/10/17 11:21 PM, Richard wrote: Communism has never actually been implemented.

The closest thing would be the democracy of ancient Greece. And look how well that went.

I disagree with you there. Communism is "rooted" to materialism. It is tied to atheism, so other forms of theism (religious or not) are highly incompatible, including polytheism.

At 9/6/17 05:48 AM, BronzeHeart92 wrote: At least some nutcases on the net seems to think so at least...

The only acceptable answer, would be a yes.

No they're just fucking stupid

At 9/11/17 08:07 PM, SuperSapito wrote: I disagree with you there. Communism is "rooted" to materialism. It is tied to atheism, so other forms of theism (religious or not) are highly incompatible, including polytheism.

1. I said "the closest thing" for a reason.
2. Past a certain point, the Greek "gods" were little more than the stuff of stories. No one still seriously believed in Zeus after philosophy had become a thing.

No, is the simple answer to the title of the thread, just because your political opinion is different to that of many others doesn't make you evil, unless your political opinions are evil. Such as far-right views or even far-left views, going to either extreme is generally not a good idea. But you can't go around calling people evil because you disagree with them!

Of course, you have people who don't want to discuss anything, they want to sit in an echo chamber, such people exist on both the left and the right. Are they evil though? No, just daft.

At 9/12/17 07:16 AM, Zornuzkull wrote:

At 9/11/17 04:24 PM, orangebomb wrote: When you have things like human nature that gets involved, communism wasn't destined to work anyway.

maybe a soulless machine god might do a better job...

A machine deity? Yeah, there are still people who think that technology is evil and "dumbing down" humanity, the very same people who think the earth is flat and/or live in North Korea.

At 9/12/17 09:36 AM, DamnedByFate wrote:

At 9/11/17 08:07 PM, SuperSapito wrote: I disagree with you there. Communism is "rooted" to materialism. It is tied to atheism, so other forms of theism (religious or not) are highly incompatible, including polytheism.

1. I said "the closest thing" for a reason.
2. Past a certain point, the Greek "gods" were little more than the stuff of stories. No one still seriously believed in Zeus after philosophy had become a thing.

1- Yes, I read you. I disagreed because it was not the closest thing, we have countries today which embodied more of Marx and Lenin than ancient greece (I use them in order to avoid any distortions that followed, e.g. christian communism)

2- True, but they still lacked materialism. Also, poleis were controlled not by everyone, but by the aristocracy, so, a few rich families. Yes, calling non-democratic states "democracies" in order to trick people into thinking it is democratic isn't really new.

At 9/12/17 11:07 AM, TehBerg wrote: No, is the simple answer to the title of the thread, just because your political opinion is different to that of many others doesn't make you evil, unless your political opinions are evil. Such as far-right views or even far-left views, going to either extreme is generally not a good idea. But you can't go around calling people evil because you disagree with them!

Of course, you have people who don't want to discuss anything, they want to sit in an echo chamber, such people exist on both the left and the right. Are they evil though? No, just daft.

But that answer covers nothing. It's the same as answering "Are nazis evil?", it can only be a NO, because they also aren't evil (they just believe in something that makes no sense). This shouldn't be taken as a "yes/no" question, otherwise it would simply be rhetorical.

The left isn't evil but it does a part by supporting hate speech.

Now, If I support hate speech - even if I never say anything hateful in my life - should I be held accountable for that or not?

If I go to a (so-called) protest and see a friend doing wrong, and I purportedly turn a blind eye or just encourage it, won't I be blamed?

It's called "enabling" and it is certainly not good.

At 9/12/17 11:34 AM, SuperSapito wrote: The left isn't evil but it does a part by supporting hate speech.

The whole of the left? That statement is a massive generalisation, that's like people who say "all men are rapists", they aren't and many won't commit rape. "The left" doesn't do anything to support hate speech.

You can't really compare "The Left" with the idea of "Nazis", one is a wide political view, ranging from the centre to, the left, the other is a political grouping, of which has many individuals hold racist views. Are people who are in a Nazi party evil? No, racist, bigoted but not necessarily evil.

Of course, it all depends on how you define evil as well, is it evil just to hold hateful views? I would say not, everyone is entitled to their opinions, the problem comes when people act on opinions. So if someone beats black people up because they hate black people, they are evil. But that's my view.

If your friend does something wrong, stabs a police officer at a protest or something and you turn a blind eye or refuse to give evidence in court, are you evil? Possibly, but it depends if you turned a blind eye because you agreed with your friend or if you were intimidated by them. Eitherway, your friend should be held accountable for their actions.

At 9/12/17 12:39 PM, TehBerg wrote: The whole of the left? That statement is a massive generalisation, that's like people who say "all men are rapists", they aren't and many won't commit rape. "The left" doesn't do anything to support hate speech.

You can't really compare "The Left" with the idea of "Nazis", one is a wide political view, ranging from the centre to, the left, the other is a political grouping, of which has many individuals hold racist views. Are people who are in a Nazi party evil? No, racist, bigoted but not necessarily evil.

Of course, it all depends on how you define evil as well, is it evil just to hold hateful views? I would say not, everyone is entitled to their opinions, the problem comes when people act on opinions. So if someone beats black people up because they hate black people, they are evil. But that's my view.

If your friend does something wrong, stabs a police officer at a protest or something and you turn a blind eye or refuse to give evidence in court, are you evil? Possibly, but it depends if you turned a blind eye because you agreed with your friend or if you were intimidated by them. Eitherway, your friend should be held accountable for their actions.

1- Name one leftist media person who publicly condemn left-wing hate speech against Trump supporters.

2- Yes, I can. I can compare a melon to it, if I see fit. As I said: No ideology can be considered inherently evil (unless there is some "evilogy" who claims exactly that). Many nazis did good. Most of the left are good people who just don't bother standing against fellow left hate. I never said they were evil for doing that. I just said they have part in it.

3- Yes, that's exactly the thing: If a friend of yours support hate speech or acts of violence, and you don't even talk about that with him/her, then you are collaborating. One thing is to be powerless to call it out: This isn't the case, obviously. You see, you disagree, but if you choose to do nothing, then you are supporting it.

PS. Oh, almost forgot. Let us define hate speech: Praising death and damage to people because they have different opinions is a nice example. Right?

Let me paint you a picture.

A pastor/reverend down here in Brazil said something about the lines of "Africans descend from Noah's cursed ancestor. This is fact. The reason for the curse is controversy (itself). Don't be irresponsible, twitters! LOL".

He's also a congressman.

Everyone, both left/right/middle wing people criticized him (the left wing eventually tried to "milk it" more than it was possible at the time). Thing is: He said something awful, not necessarily hateful, but was criticized by EVERYONE and not only by people that disagreed with his opinions. The same thing does *not* happen when a left winger defends Maduro (the dictator from venezuela, which happens to be a "lover" to our socialist parties) while himself kills venezuelan students.

In short, when someone is wrong, you have to call them out, even if in private. Disregard opinions - thinking alike is no excuse to be an enabler. If you don't do that, you give your moral support. There is no such thing as "omg they intimidate us" because the majority of the left is not extremist, so they wouldn't be alone in this.

At 9/12/17 03:11 PM, SuperSapito wrote: 1- Name one leftist media person who publicly condemn left-wing hate speech against Trump supporters.

I don't know anything about American media, so I would struggle to name any, since it's not widely reported here. But I can name a leftist media person who condemns many things, on the left and the right of the spectrum, Jonathan Pie.

But how are we defining "leftist" here? Free health care is a leftist idea and state funded education too, neither of those things are bad. It depends what you are referring to here. Is everyone on the left in the same boat? No, just like not everyone on the right is massive racist. It's too broad.

2- Yes, I can. I can compare a melon to it, if I see fit. As I said: No ideology can be considered inherently evil (unless there is some "evilogy" who claims exactly that). Many nazis did good. Most of the left are good people who just don't bother standing against fellow left hate. I never said they were evil for doing that. I just said they have part in it.

Everyone on the left has a part in it? Does that mean everyone on the right who does nothing about it has a part in it too? A lot of people are guilty of doing nothing, a lot of people will stand and watch someone getting assaulted, maybe one person will phone the police, few would step in to stop it. Has nothing to do with being left or right wing politically.

3- Yes, that's exactly the thing: If a friend of yours support hate speech or acts of violence, and you don't even talk about that with him/her, then you are collaborating. One thing is to be powerless to call it out: This isn't the case, obviously. You see, you disagree, but if you choose to do nothing, then you are supporting it.

A lot of things stop people from doing something, doesn't mean they support it. Just as remaining silent doesn't prove guilt. You can't assume someone supports something if they don't say or do anything, they just might not be able to, for various reason, fear and peer pressure being the biggest.

PS. Oh, almost forgot. Let us define hate speech: Praising death and damage to people because they have different opinions is a nice example. Right?

Yes, but people who hold right wing views do the same, they praise death and damage to people as well, based on different opinions. It's not a political issue, it's a human issue, the need to feel included in something. These are extremist people on both sides, they are all idiots. You can't say the whole of the left is bad because of a few morons, it's no different to saying all men are rapists. Or all Muslims are terrorists because ISIS exists.

Sweeping statements are stupid.

At 9/12/17 03:36 PM, TehBerg wrote:

At 9/12/17 03:11 PM, SuperSapito wrote: 1- Name one leftist media person who publicly condemn left-wing hate speech against Trump supporters.

I don't know anything about American media, so I would struggle to name any, since it's not widely reported here. But I can name a leftist media person who condemns many things, on the left and the right of the spectrum, Jonathan Pie.

But how are we defining "leftist" here? Free health care is a leftist idea and state funded education too, neither of those things are bad. It depends what you are referring to here. Is everyone on the left in the same boat? No, just like not everyone on the right is massive racist. It's too broad.

2- Yes, I can. I can compare a melon to it, if I see fit. As I said: No ideology can be considered inherently evil (unless there is some "evilogy" who claims exactly that). Many nazis did good. Most of the left are good people who just don't bother standing against fellow left hate. I never said they were evil for doing that. I just said they have part in it.

Everyone on the left has a part in it? Does that mean everyone on the right who does nothing about it has a part in it too? A lot of people are guilty of doing nothing, a lot of people will stand and watch someone getting assaulted, maybe one person will phone the police, few would step in to stop it. Has nothing to do with being left or right wing politically.

3- Yes, that's exactly the thing: If a friend of yours support hate speech or acts of violence, and you don't even talk about that with him/her, then you are collaborating. One thing is to be powerless to call it out: This isn't the case, obviously. You see, you disagree, but if you choose to do nothing, then you are supporting it.

A lot of things stop people from doing something, doesn't mean they support it. Just as remaining silent doesn't prove guilt. You can't assume someone supports something if they don't say or do anything, they just might not be able to, for various reason, fear and peer pressure being the biggest.

PS. Oh, almost forgot. Let us define hate speech: Praising death and damage to people because they have different opinions is a nice example. Right?

Yes, but people who hold right wing views do the same, they praise death and damage to people as well, based on different opinions. It's not a political issue, it's a human issue, the need to feel included in something. These are extremist people on both sides, they are all idiots. You can't say the whole of the left is bad because of a few morons, it's no different to saying all men are rapists. Or all Muslims are terrorists because ISIS exists.

Sweeping statements are stupid.

Every left person who decides to keep it's trap shut just to "avoid not feeling part of the gang" collaborates for the hate actions. This isn't hard to figure out: If you refuse to condemn something clearly harmful to others, then you obviously support that. Peer pressure is key: Tell me something, if there were peer pressure on you to kill someone... would you do it? I wouldn't, and you wouldn't either.

About "free health care": There is no such thing :) If there were, I would be supportive of it too.

Right wing does not practice hate speech freely. People from the right wing themselves will call it out. Why do you think there is no friendship between the right and the extreme right? We "normal right" would NEVER support their hateful views on other people. I rarely see a friend making statements of the sort, but the one time I saw it, I called out immediately in a private message. He got it and ended up apologizing and erasing his message. He even told me I wasn't the only one who told him that.

Bottom line is: Since Trump became POTUS many people in the left is showing their true faces. They openly preach hate against trump supporters without consequence or fear, because their own peers are supportive of this behavior.. Where do you think this is going to?

At 9/12/17 03:46 PM, SuperSapito wrote: Right wing does not practice hate speech freely.

Milo Yiannopoulos certainly does.

At 9/12/17 04:02 PM, TehBerg wrote:

At 9/12/17 03:46 PM, SuperSapito wrote: Right wing does not practice hate speech freely.

Milo Yiannopoulos certainly does.

Exactly my point - See how that turned out for him.

At 9/12/17 04:40 PM, SuperSapito wrote:

At 9/12/17 04:02 PM, TehBerg wrote:

At 9/12/17 03:46 PM, SuperSapito wrote: Right wing does not practice hate speech freely.

Milo Yiannopoulos certainly does.

Exactly my point - See how that turned out for him.

He's still doing pretty well, making fun of the hurricane, still making lots of money and preaching hate speech freely. He gets death threats from people, he doesn't care. He likes the attention, so I'm not sure how it proves your point.

If we're talking death threats, people on the left get death threats from people on the right as well. Do they always get condemned? No. Also, back when Obama was president, there were a number of large right-wing outlets constantly questioning his legitimacy to be president, the right turned a blind eye to blatant racism.

It should all come down to one basic thing.

Don't be a dick.

At 9/12/17 03:46 PM, SuperSapito wrote:

Every left person who decides to keep it's trap shut just to "avoid not feeling part of the gang" collaborates for the hate actions. This isn't hard to figure out: If you refuse to condemn something clearly harmful to others, then you obviously support that. Peer pressure is key: Tell me something, if there were peer pressure on you to kill someone... would you do it? I wouldn't, and you wouldn't either.

About "free health care": There is no such thing :) If there were, I would be supportive of it too.

Right wing does not practice hate speech freely. People from the right wing themselves will call it out. Why do you think there is no friendship between the right and the extreme right? We "normal right" would NEVER support their hateful views on other people. I rarely see a friend making statements of the sort, but the one time I saw it, I called out immediately in a private message. He got it and ended up apologizing and erasing his message. He even told me I wasn't the only one who told him that.

Bottom line is: Since Trump became POTUS many people in the left is showing their true faces. They openly preach hate against trump supporters without consequence or fear, because their own peers are supportive of this behavior.. Where do you think this is going to?

What the....

I've see some really stupid shit, but this is on top of that pile.

I'll be the first to admit that the left doesn't always condemn certain groups on the left as much as they should, but the right is no different. The right is quicker at condemning the violence and hate of the left than they are of their own. That is just a plain fact. I don't know what reality you are living in to suggest otherwise, but it ain't this reality.

As for not practicing hate speech freely, well, that's not quite true either. There are plenty of of public figures on the right who spout hate, or promote negative stereotypes about minorities, or focouse on the actions of minorities to promote an unfavorable view of them. You might claim that they re always under attacks, when you they go on speaking tours by a group who don't understand irony, but they are continually heard through their books they write, their editorials, their media commentary.

And let's be honest, man, you may hate the left, and are angry at minorities, but all the hate, and negative stereotypes, from the right on minorities, have increased harassment, and violence against them in recent years; and with the advent of Trump and the alt right, we have seen a counter protest grow in response to them, with some using violent methods to shut down racist people who incite more hate, harassment, and violence against people who have done no wrong other than being different from them. And the facts show this.

At 9/12/17 04:49 PM, TehBerg wrote:

At 9/12/17 04:40 PM, SuperSapito wrote:

At 9/12/17 04:02 PM, TehBerg wrote:

At 9/12/17 03:46 PM, SuperSapito wrote: Right wing does not practice hate speech freely.

Milo Yiannopoulos certainly does.

Exactly my point - See how that turned out for him.

He's still doing pretty well, making fun of the hurricane, still making lots of money and preaching hate speech freely. He gets death threats from people, he doesn't care. He likes the attention, so I'm not sure how it proves your point.

If we're talking death threats, people on the left get death threats from people on the right as well. Do they always get condemned? No. Also, back when Obama was president, there were a number of large right-wing outlets constantly questioning his legitimacy to be president, the right turned a blind eye to blatant racism.

It should all come down to one basic thing.

Don't be a dick.

I mean, see how many support he has from right wing people. Most people are against him, I'd say most of his support comes from supremacists.

And as a private opinion, I don't think he does actual hate speech. He's just a dick who purportedly provokes other into reacting, but technically, not hateful.

At 9/12/17 05:18 PM, SuperSapito wrote: And as a private opinion, I don't think he does actual hate speech. He's just a dick who purportedly provokes other into reacting, but technically, not hateful.

I dunno, publicly outing someone as trans is pretty hateful and puts that person in danger from being attacked.

At 9/12/17 05:18 PM, EdyKel wrote: What the....

I've see some really stupid shit, but this is on top of that pile.

I'll be the first to admit that the left doesn't always condemn certain groups on the left as much as they should, but the right is no different. The right is quicker at condemning the violence and hate of the left than they are of their own. That is just a plain fact. I don't know what reality you are living in to suggest otherwise, but it ain't this reality.

As for not practicing hate speech freely, well, that's not quite true either. There are plenty of of public figures on the right who spout hate, or promote negative stereotypes about minorities, or focouse on the actions of minorities to promote an unfavorable view of them. You might claim that they re always under attacks, when you they go on speaking tours by a group who don't understand irony, but they are continually heard through their books they write, their editorials, their media commentary.

And let's be honest, man, you may hate the left, and are angry at minorities, but all the hate, and negative stereotypes, from the right on minorities, have increased harassment, and violence against them in recent years; and with the advent of Trump and the alt right, we have seen a counter protest grow in response to them, with some using violent methods to shut down racist people who incite more hate, harassment, and violence against people who have done no wrong other than being different from them. And the facts show this.

It's funny because you say it's "stupid shit" and still can't debunk a simgle point.

The right is faster at condemning EVERY form of hate while disregarding the source itself. We don't care what you are, but what you do. The left? Not so much - You are living proof of this, on another topic in the forum you just said you gind it hard to take someone seriously if their avatar is a black dude.

Overall, this means the right has a much higher moral standard than the left - A conservative will think more than twice before advocating for hate in any sphere, because he/she KNOWS there will be a backlash from their peers. Since the left rarely, if ever, confront themselves, they get used to talking whatever they want to talk. Even if this means praising human suffering on Florida because they gave votes to Trump.

(It's not like hate speech needs a reason in the first place)

Now, I don't say there isn't hate in the right. Even dalai lama hates something, I guess. I'm saying Right wing deals better with their hate than the left. Publicly wishing for a natural disaster to inflict pain on people you dislike is not a good way to deal with it.

I figure it takes a lot of hate to do that because I had my fair share of disaffections yet I never wished (not even in private) for them to die or lose their homes.

About Trump: He's your president and will possibly be until the end of his term, so what? He didn't divide the country, you guys did it on your own. And no, I don't hate the left. I like the people, although I do question their ideology. And I wish anyone do the same to mine. Minorities? Don't believe they exist, they're just as human as we both are. As we both agree, same-race violence is the proeminent factor for violence-related deaths, so I don't think a white man or black man should face a harsher punishment for hurting someone with a different color (same for gender and religion etc)

At 9/12/17 05:22 PM, TehBerg wrote:

At 9/12/17 05:18 PM, SuperSapito wrote: And as a private opinion, I don't think he does actual hate speech. He's just a dick who purportedly provokes other into reacting, but technically, not hateful.

I dunno, publicly outing someone as trans is pretty hateful and puts that person in danger from being attacked.

I wouldn't call it hateful, but an invasion of privacy.

I also consider unethical (and quite disgusting) for people to purportedly lie about their gender in order to receive any form of advantage.

At 9/12/17 06:02 PM, SuperSapito wrote: I also consider unethical (and quite disgusting) for people to purportedly lie about their gender in order to receive any form of advantage.

I don't think people who are trans are lying nor do I think they do it because they want to get some form of advantage. If someone is lying about their gender, that's a totally different thing.

At 9/12/17 05:58 PM, SuperSapito wrote:

It's funny because you say it's "stupid shit" and still can't debunk a simgle point.

Really? I thought it was funny because you didn't provide any proof to back it up with, just a lot of partisan opinion that wold bring a tear to the eye of any white nationalist.

The right is faster at condemning EVERY form of hate while disregarding the source itself. We don't care what you are, but what you do. The left? Not so much - You are living proof of this, on another topic in the forum you just said you gind it hard to take someone seriously if their avatar is a black dude.

Yeah... right.. The only time they are fast is when it they condemn the left, while barely mentioning, or making up excuses for why certain people are not racist. And you can not prove otherwise.

As to the avatar.. What? How does this relate again. You lost me... Wait, I don't really care, because it's pretty stupid. I think a better example is your defense of Milo Yiannopoulos, which pretty much demonstrates why the right doesn't condone this shit often, because they are always downplaying the racism within their own ranks. And you just proved it. So thanks.

Overall, this means the right has a much higher moral standard than the left - A conservative will think more than twice before advocating for hate in any sphere, because he/she KNOWS there will be a backlash from their peers. Since the left rarely, if ever, confront themselves, they get used to talking whatever they want to talk. Even if this means praising human suffering on Florida because they gave votes to Trump.

Still waiting for any sort of proof. You might live in a bizzaro world that believes that opinion is fact, but in reality that is anything but a fact.

(It's not like hate speech needs a reason in the first place)

So, you are justifying hate? And I already pointed this out to you in the other thread, where white racism mostly comes from racial pride, and fear of other races affecting their white culture, while black racism mostly comes from personal experiences and daily interactions with racist white people.

Now, I don't say there isn't hate in the right. Even dalai lama hates something, I guess. I'm saying Right wing deals better with their hate than the left. Publicly wishing for a natural disaster to inflict pain on people you dislike is not a good way to deal with it.

What? The Dali Lama? It's like you are putting your ass on the keyboard and letting go till it seeps into everything that is written from you. Eew!

The fact is, while you may have a perverse point about there being very few people don't hate, what you fail to recognize, or even acknowledge, is that far right hate outweighs everything on the left in this country. I can point to all the white nationalist, neo nazis, KKK, and other white hate groups, who outstrip everything on the left. I can point to high number of hate crimes, and violence, and harassment, which outstrips anything on the left. I can point to to terrorist activity of the right that outstrips anything on the left. The fact that you believe that the right is more moral, less hateful, shows that they really haven't done a good job at condemning the hate of the right, only condemning the left, and magnifying it to make it seem worse than their own.

I figure it takes a lot of hate to do that because I had my fair share of disaffections yet I never wished (not even in private) for them to die or lose their homes.

Yet, you are clearly ignoring it so you can claim to have the moral high ground, by claiming it's always someone else's fault, not yours, or your side. It sounds like you think you are on some side that is good and decenct, , and the other isn't, and you'll spend more time defending that point of view so you don't have to recognize your own hypocrisy. I, at least, said that the left doesn't do enough to condemn certain groups on the left as much as they should, but you still stayed with your partisan narrative.

About Trump: He's your president and will possibly be until the end of his term, so what? He didn't divide the country, you guys did it on your own. And no, I don't hate the left. I like the people, although I do question their ideology. And I wish anyone do the same to mine. Minorities? Don't believe they exist, they're just as human as we both are. As we both agree, same-race violence is the proeminent factor for violence-related deaths, so I don't think a white man or black man should face a harsher punishment for hurting someone with a different color (same for gender and religion etc)

Basically, you're saying that you are right, and everyone who disagrees with you are the problem - that is the Trump mentality. The fact is that Trump is dividing the country by playing race politics, and being a far right activist. It's why he has historical low approval ratings.

Son, I may be an asshole, but I don't pretend to be anything otherwise. So don't play this garbage with me about not hating other groups who don't share your view when you just made an argument about how everyone hates by pointing out the Dali Lama.

At 9/12/17 04:40 PM, SuperSapito wrote: Exactly my point - See how that turned out for him.

FALSE

Milo was tolerated, if not celebrated, when he was just a racist, homophonic, and sexist asshole. Wasn't until he talked positively about pedophilia that the right turned on him.

At 9/12/17 08:43 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 9/12/17 04:40 PM, SuperSapito wrote: Exactly my point - See how that turned out for him.

FALSE

Milo was tolerated, if not celebrated, when he was just a racist, homophonic, and sexist asshole. Wasn't until he talked positively about pedophilia that the right turned on him.

I never said he wasn't tolerated. He was criticized - this doesn't mean we should take his free speech. And this includes pedophilia, sadly - As long as it stays in the field of IDEAS unfortunately there isn't much to do other than call out and inform people on that. This is also valid for white supremacists, nazis, NAMBLA, Black lives matter and so on: As long as you don't promote hate, it's okay.

At 9/12/17 06:15 PM, TehBerg wrote:

At 9/12/17 06:02 PM, SuperSapito wrote: I also consider unethical (and quite disgusting) for people to purportedly lie about their gender in order to receive any form of advantage.

I don't think people who are trans are lying nor do I think they do it because they want to get some form of advantage. If someone is lying about their gender, that's a totally different thing.

A trans man is not a man. A trans man is a woman who, for whatever reason, considers herself to be a man. (Contrary to popular belief, transgender does NOT need to "look" like the opposite sex, that's a consequence). While I agree we should treat them with due respect (this includes calling a trans man a "he") and the fact that they deserve equal rights (including marriage ofc), this does not change the fact that "he" is a female. Since she says she's a male, she is lying about her gender.

It's basic science, and also the reason why we shouldn't let transwomen compete against cis women on sports, for example.

Just as a white man can't paint himself black and be considered as such, I don't think a man who undergoes general body surgery and hormonal treatment to look like a woman should be considered a woman. If this looks like a crappy comparison to you, let me explain that the "white identifying as black" actually happened in Brazil (except they didn't even had to paint themselves black - Auto declaration was enough).

Transex shouldn't have to lie or hide what they really are. There are already many T-lovers in this world... I'm not one of them though - Instant turn off, and I believe I am a big one for them too.

At 9/12/17 01:24 AM, Richard wrote:

At 9/11/17 11:24 PM, Dre wrote: No they're just fucking stupid

If your only argument is such, then you aren't making a case for them being fucking stupid, so much as you're making a case that you are fucking stupid.

You got me bro I'm really stupid. Must be why I'm a self-taught computer scientist, have an IT career and can afford to live in the most expensive place in America

At 9/12/17 10:36 AM, Zornuzkull wrote: hes happy to wallow in ignorance ignore him...

Better than wallowing in some dead pussy

I don't really like the antifa baggage that comes with leftist these days. I'm about as liberal as you're average Bernie Bro.

At 9/12/17 11:26 PM, Dre wrote:

At 9/12/17 01:24 AM, Richard wrote:

At 9/11/17 11:24 PM, Dre wrote: No they're just fucking stupid

If your only argument is such, then you aren't making a case for them being fucking stupid, so much as you're making a case that you are fucking stupid.

You got me bro I'm really stupid. Must be why I'm a self-taught computer scientist, have an IT career and can afford to live in the most expensive place in America

What has any of that got to do with political leaning? Also, your argument had no basis in reason, you didn't say why you think people on the left are stupid, so yes, your argument is stupid. Doesn't matter if you are the worlds best brain surgeon, if your only argument is "No they're just fucking stupid" then your argument is still stupid.

Also, having qualifications, a job, being able to do technical and high skilled work, doesn't exempt you from saying or doing stupid thing. Stupidity isn't about what you know, it's about what you don't know.

Congrats on having money though.