Spent an hour on 9/10. Didn't ask my brain anything. Wanted to test my smarts. Couldn't finish 9/10. But DAMN! Is this game hard or what?! Good show. 10/10 Very unique.
Reviews for "ir/rational Redux"
tjubert responds:
Cheers!
Love it so far, although it's spelled 'pail' (in 5/10). Sorry to be a pedant, but what did you expect from people who play this game?
Dear Creators,
I registered here on NG because I think there is a flaw in the argument lines of LEVEL 9.
SPOILER ALERT!
I figured out, that the yes/yes/yes/probably are the machines answers, however, the actual mistake is in the arguing itself:
1. If the machine has contradicted itself, then the machine is not perfect.
2. The Machine thinks smugness is a relevant clue.
3. The Machine thinks smugness is a red herring.
4. IF the Machine thinks smugness is a relevant clue AND The Machine thinks smugness is a red herring then ......
And this is the part where I got stuck, Something like this should follow: then the machine doesn't know what a red herring is.
INSTEAD you have to write "the machine has contradicted itself" which CANNOT be placed here since it is in line 5.
In other words if you deduct with the "then" in line 4 that the machine has contradicted itself, then line 5 is a redundant line!!! Redundant, because it echoes the deduction already made in line 4.
So you either change the "then" part in line 4.. OR remove line 5.
I don't know if I'm making sense here. You have a deduction in line 5, which has already been deducted at the end of line 4.
At least please consider my post. I would also appreciate if the creators addressed this issue. Thanks and great game!
tjubert responds:
Hi! It makes sense, but I'm afraid, as far as I can see, it's not broken int he way you think. It's percetly okay to repeat the same clause in a different context, as 'the machine has contradicted itself' is here. First it's part of an IF-THEN, then it's stated as a conclusion (since we knwo the IF part of the statement has been satisfied. It's a bit like having to show your working in maths.
What's actually a problem with one of the possible solutions to that puzzle is that you can use both smugnes is a red herring and smugness is a relevant clue together, and strictly speaking you should have a premise which states that they mean the same thing. Actually, that's a much better puzzle. Next version!
I don't think I've ever had to think this hard when playing a game before. I love it :D I got them all on my own eventually. Great game.
What a sick, twisted, glorious, amazing, worth-while game. It was fantastic. I look forward to more things similar to this.