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Reviews for "Outside the Atmosphere"

Here is your personal review for your round 1 submission! Remember that the score might be a little lower than I would normally give, I'm being a tad harsher than I'd normally be for the NGADM.

The Good:
-I like all the melodies you have with the piano, as well as the strings. The electronic aspects of it helped as well, making it more interesting.
-Mixing's fine by me.

The Not-So-Good:
-You really, really, really, really, really need more variation if this is going to be 6 minutes long. Not just talking about the variation of the feel or the instruments or tune, but also the velocity on the piano. It sounds really unnatural.
-Holy crap at 3:35-4:00. Really really out-of-place insane arpeggios that really don't mix well with the drums.
-The drums sound like crap. I'm sorry, but they really aren't very good - they're also out-of-place with the kind of song it is.
-Total. Copout. Fadeout. Outro. No.

Overall: Meh. It's just kinda there. About as flat as Jimmypig's song, though it does have a bit more variation. Could use some variation in the piano and feel of the song. Overall, I'm giving this a 5.5/10.

OpenLight responds:

The reason this might've seen less-than-great is because it doesn't vary. This was intentional, though I should have figured most people would've liked it. Ultimately, I made a song that expressed what I felt at the time and that I liked listening to in a less excited mood.

Thanks for the review!

First off (I'm posting this to everyone): Note that the scores might be a bit lower than what's typical for NG reviews - no one should expect a 10/10 unless their entry was absolutely incredible.

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The pretty, but oh so cliched minor key piano intro left me anxious for what I was about to spend my next 6 minutes listening to. Would this be another tiring excercise in the sidechained bass and Fruity Loopy supersaw presets that we're all so familiar with on Newgrounds? Or maybe this one is different? And I have to admit, when you added the rhythmic electro synth in there, I was almost about to let out a sigh.

So you can imagine the relief it was to hear a nicely rounded set of tight, smacking kick and snare (I apologize for how almost sexual that sounded) that did NOT play out a standard 4x4 house beat. A square wave-like lead synth is also introduced at this moment, with some really nice playful portamento. Unfortunately I'm having trouble hanging onto any sort of recurring theme in its melody - for the most part, each bar has its own melodic idea that doesn't have much to do with any of the other ones. This makes it really hard for me as a listener to get engaged, because I never feel "okay, I'm with you: I think I've figured it out now, and I have some sense of what's to come next". For the same reason, you can't really surprise the listener by playing with their expectations either.

That changes quite a bit when the piano gets back in the limelight around 1:48 - where the rhythm and direction of the piano's melody is very clear. The diminished chord arpeggio that occasionally (and very unexpectedly) popped up impressed me. The heavily reverbed piano sound is still pretty, but unfortunately it sounds very little like an actual, played piano. I think whatever piano sound you're using is fine, but the midi sequencing could need some work. There are three things I can think of that would immediately improve the realism: 1. vary the velocity (not just randomly, think "if I was a pianist playing this part, where would I press the keys down hard for impact, and where would I hold back and keep it subtle?"). At the moment it sounds like each note is played at the same (rather high) velocity. 2. Humanize the timing. Straight, quantized notes sound like robot and the best sample library in the world will not help with that. If you can, try to rerecord some of the easier parts, but don't quantize it (or quantize it by 50% or something). 3. Add some playful, faster runs or something that isn't quite confined to the 8th note grid that the arpeggio is playing in. Some 16th/32nd notes or triplets that played their own thing would really freshen the solo piano parts up.

And then the drums and electronic stuff is introduced back again and it sounds great - this is the only point where you might as well keep the rigid quantized piano, because the 4x4 beat and piano line up so perfectly and create a bit of a hypnotic rhythm. Only for a moment though - it's gone when you change the drum rhythm back to what is originally was. At this point it sounds like, well a mildly interesting piano-centric electronic song (the word mediocre comes to mind but it the word would be a bit too harsh). The wild synth arpeggio is kinda pretty, but really doesn't sound at home in this song - it sounds like it would be more effective if the BPM of the song was kicked up considerably, or with a busier mix.

The last minute and a half (which is a LOT of time that can potentially be spent on good stuff in a song) drags on a lot, with very little variation beyond a few extra notes on the piano here and there. The same instrumentation is kept throughout, and almost no bold or creative things are popping up apart from the diminished arpeggio I mentioned earlier. In general, the song doesn't have enough things happening in it to warrant it being 6 minutes long.

6 points for sounds and instrumentation.
5 points for composition and melody/harmony.
5 points for theme/originality/other things that might impress.

Overall impression: 6.0

OpenLight responds:

Thanks for the review! I agree with a lot of what you said, though the reason it may have seemed to drag on is because I almost intended it to. I say "almost" because I wouldn't have realistically have let it drag on, but my mood around that time made it sound good to me, something simple that didn't necessarily have a catchy melody but sounded melodic.

This review obviously took a while and I appreciate it.

The main chord progression of VI, VII, i is somewhat cliche, but it is also the one that I use the most. So I can't very well complain about that, as it is one that I love. :p

My main gripe is how mechanical the piano sounds. It seems overly quantized to me. I think it'd sound better if loosened up just a bit.

I like the synth part at 3:39. For the most part, I like the synths throughout.

I like the atmosphere of this piece, but it is a bit too repetitive for me. It's mostly the same chord progression, and it looses some of its power after six minutes.

Nice work on this though.

OpenLight responds:

Thank you! I agree that it loses its power. It's kinda what I intended but at the same time I didn't mean for it to become so non-powerful that it became boring.

Thanks again for the great review.

This is a very beautiful song. However, if I am to go into super critic mode, I feel like the melody you opened with is your best, and everything else is almost extraneous in comparison. You open with this really contemplative piano melody, but then its almost as if you forgot about that and try to do some other unrelated stuff. Like the synth at 1:10 seems a little undirected.

I do like how you switched up chord progressions halfway in. Nice touch.

OpenLight responds:

Thank you for the review. The reason it seems a bit disjointed may be because of what I was feeling when writing this song. Without going into much detail, it's been a hard couple of months, so I tried to make my song something positive that still managed to express underlying feelings of doubt or suppression.

Long story short, Outside the Atmosphere is about going so far from the world that everything below becomes trivial. The primary melody represents the underlying feelings previously noted while later in the song it becomes more of a springboard into brighter (3:35) or simpler and calmer (4:38) things.

The song ends with the original melody as a representation of returning to the ground.

I guess I should have put that in the description... I may do so, but that's why you felt the way you did. Thanks again for the review! I do appreciate it.

hm interesting competition we got here...
first of all the listeners are the winner for sure, 'cause we have two awesome tracks that we can download :D

i listened to the track of XS before and at least I THINK that it will be REALLY tough for both of you...
i personally would give my voting for XS (sorry xP) 'cause im a fucking fan of this guys music :D

your song has good stuff in it, especially when that sound at 0:47 starts. it gives me a nice retro-feeling :). but the middle part..., i dunno, it just sounds a bit boring to me, maybe im just into harder stuff after all xD. or your track is just a bit too long, making such long tracks and keeping up the excitement isnt easy at all i think. also the sound at 3:36 wasn't my taste at all...

as far as i listened to i would say that XSs track is more like a psychic-emotional-nutkick track
while your track is more a dreamer one, where you fly along with the clouds or swim with the waves...
fuck i think i wrote to much...
anyway here the rate:
quality: 2.5/2.5 (no mistakes in my ears)
taste: 1.5/2.5 (still a good track bro)
4/5

OpenLight responds:

Thanks for the long review! I really do appreciate it when people take their time on reviews.