At 10/14/23 07:07 PM, Skoops wrote: When it comes to artists commenting on other artists, I'm of the mind that praise can be given anywhere at any time, but critique needs to be conditional and contextual. Unsolicited feedback is the role of instructors, mentors and peers with whom you've given the go-ahead, either by attending their classes or just saying that feedback is something you welcome. I consider it overstepping a boundary to give critical feedback without meeting that criteria.
This is for a few reasons, but the main one is that art communities should be supportive first and foremost; unsolicited feedback can cause a lot of needless friction. Flaw-finding and constructive criticism are essential for growth, but not everyone is here to grow. Some just want to express something without trying to improve, and although I personally think that's a shame, it's not up to me and it's not my job to change their minds about that. If it's not something you opt-into, communities have a tendency to devolve into contests about who can roast the most hapless amateurs, new members get scared away, and the whole thing tends to die out.
With all that said, I don't expect non-artists to really understand how dismissive or unhelpful their feedback can be, so although it's annoying to get unhelpful negative feedback, I accept it as something that's just gonna happen, and I don't put much stock in it. They don't know any better, their comfort with throwing criticism around comes from a place of not knowing what kind of work goes into the things artists do. What rustles my jimmies a lot more than that is when other artists (who ought to know better) chime in with criticism before it's been welcomed.
A little side note about the flipside to that: if you DO request feedback, it's bad form to get prickly when you get what you asked for. If you're just looking for idle praise, be honest so people don't make the mistake of trying to help you.
This was a very well thought-out and detailed take, thank you for posting it. I didn't really think about it while creating this topic, but you make a good point about the difference between commentary and critique. Personally, I wouldn't mind getting a true critique "out of the blue". But, as your post made me realize, not everyone might feel the same way. Different strokes for different folks, which is why I think that the "opt-into" model as you put is a good rule of thumb to follow on this site, whether you wish to give or receive critiques.
(I also recognize that writing actual critique is something that takes time, and most artists don't want to dedicate that time giving you detailed unsolicited feedback just so you could improve when they have work of their own to be done - nor should you expect them too. This just makes another convincing case for the "opt-into" model.)
Also completely agree on your final point. When I ask people in my art thread to give me feedback on my stuff, I want to hear what they actually think about it, not get a congratulatory pat on the back. Making art is a very personal process and most of the time I'm living with it inside my head, so getting feedback gives me an outside perspective and shows me if my own opinions of my works allign with those of my peers. If they do - great, I can keep doing [thing] this way for now. If they don't, also great - back to the drawing board for me.
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