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Get paranoid 2017-06-15 17:28:19 Reply

http://www.vocativ.com/430439/criminal-mental-health-project-privacy/

Yup, they've started surveillance on the Mentally Ill. No rights, no diagnosis, no doctor, no shit; once they think you're crazy, it's off with the hounds.

Oh, and right to due process?

HAHAHAHhhAahHAHAhhahah!

Oh man, what year do you think this is, 1968? "due process" LOLOLOL


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-15 17:35:53 Reply

About time.

The nutcases of society cannot be allowed to roam around freely and unchecked any longer.

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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-15 17:38:55 Reply

Being crazy should be a crime


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-15 18:22:50 Reply

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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-15 18:35:58 Reply

At 6/15/17 05:35 PM, Jurornumber3 wrote: About time.

The nutcases of society cannot be allowed to roam around freely and unchecked any longer.
At 6/15/17 05:38 PM, Dynastywarriors5 wrote: Being crazy should be a crime

Oh you guys....

It's like this, see? Once you divide the crazy from the sane, then the crazy have to be in a separate group, and we all know how that one ends.


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-15 20:02:50 Reply

Well that's tragic.

Also, almost didn't recognize you there with the new profile pic. It's nice btw.


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-15 20:12:43 Reply

At 6/15/17 06:35 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
At 6/15/17 05:35 PM, Jurornumber3 wrote: About time.

The nutcases of society cannot be allowed to roam around freely and unchecked any longer.
It's like this, see? Once you divide the crazy from the sane, then the crazy have to be in a separate group, and we all know how that one ends.

And there goes my SSI checks too.


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-15 21:39:09 Reply

does this mean people diagnosed with paranoia will now not be considered "paranoid" since their fears have become real

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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-15 22:14:49 Reply

this is some minority report type shit.


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-15 22:27:03 Reply

There needs to be a middle ground respecting both the rights of the mentally ill and the people around them. When my husband and I were newlyweds, we lived in an apartment complex where the bipolar guy living upstairs regularly terrorized us and other neighbors. He often lashed out, sometimes violently, because he believed he had the right to blast his music at all hours of the night, and that he should be allowed to do so because he was disabled.

He always seemed to go for me whenever my husband was gone. It was almost as if he knew. There were times I legitimately feared for my safety.

So yes, FUNK is absolutely right there are some serious ethical/legal/rights concerns with this, but consider what deinstitutionalization has done.

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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-16 00:30:07 Reply

with as many mentally ill people (and methheads) as there are in florida, i'm surprised this didn't come way sooner


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-16 00:33:02 Reply

At 6/16/17 12:30 AM, Sekhem wrote: with as many mentally ill people (and methheads) as there are in florida, i'm surprised this didn't come way sooner

Yes. Florida.


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-16 00:36:18 Reply

At 6/16/17 12:33 AM, OneStep wrote:
At 6/16/17 12:30 AM, Sekhem wrote: with as many mentally ill people (and methheads) as there are in florida, i'm surprised this didn't come way sooner
Yes. Florida.

due process and constitutional rights are cool and everything, but you'll change your tune the second some methhead from dade county shits on the roof of your car and rants about robin williams being killed by obama

thankfully, you can shoot people pretty indiscriminately in florida and programs like this are a step in the right direction as well


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-16 00:55:39 Reply

Do not give them the information they want. Simple as that.


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-16 07:50:45 Reply

I'm for due process always.


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-16 10:38:40 Reply

At 6/16/17 12:36 AM, Sekhem wrote:

due process and constitutional rights are cool and everything, but you'll change your tune the second some methhead from dade county shits on the roof of your car and rants about robin williams being killed by obama

thankfully, you can shoot people pretty indiscriminately in florida and programs like this are a step in the right direction as well

I been shot at once. Did not make me less crazy. Also, see anecdote below.

At 6/15/17 10:27 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote:
So yes, FUNK is absolutely right there are some serious ethical/legal/rights concerns with this, but consider what deinstitutionalization has done.

A month and 3 days ago, I was in a bar that was attacked by a suicidal arsonist named Jared Mclemore who set himself and the front of the bar on fire, then ran indoors chasing his girlfriend around. I had to help my friend load out gear around his smouldering body. Yes, he was diagnosed as mentally ill, and had been recently released from legal diversion to a treatment program.

A treatment program that made him crazier than he was before he went in it, and did not neutralize the danger he represented.

Now, as a witness, I know for a fact I am being tracked by the mental health system that created Jared. I know this because they keep offering me counseling, because many of the other witnesses have reported extreme mental trauma. There's somewhat of a social stink over how much money was raised to provide this counseling ( I attended a trauma session in good faith a week after the incident where they basically told us we're all crazy now and should check ourselves into a crisis center. A friend of mine accepted counseling and they put an app on her phone that gives her instant access to a counselor by text.

It's cycle that turns victims into perpetrators. First you suffer trauma, then problem behavior becomes normalized to the victim from life experience, then the victim retaliates with more problem behavior, completing the cycle.

When the Nazis first began, they didn't talk about the Holocaust. They started with the census, and everyone thought it was a great idea.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.--- Martin Niemöller

Where do we draw the line between sick and deserving sympathy, or demented and dangerous? People have always thought I was crazy, but I have a clean criminal record and have worked to support myself my entire adult life. Had I been "treated" for my individuality, I doubt I would be this functional. In fact, I may have ended up like Jared.

When I feel paranoid about this....well... I'm comforted by the fact that apparently my fears are well founded. Wait... fuck...

At 6/16/17 12:55 AM, satanbrain wrote: Do not give them the information they want. Simple as that.

You don't get the right to remain silent, because these are extra-judicial proceedings. The mentally ill don't get due process rights. Anyone can be locked up against their will for three days for "Observation" by a mental health facility without ever having been charged with a crime on merely the accusation of being a threat to themselves or others. This means the depressed who are suspected of being suicidal can be locked up in spite of denying any symptoms. Hiding of suicidal ideation is considered a strong measure of intent to successfully commit suicide without being stopped.

Locking someone up for three days is criminal punishment suitable for drunk drivers and people who commit minor assault. Not wanting to get locked up is an extremely valid incentive to hide all signs of mental illness, especially when that time spend in confinement will be spent with the possibly dangerously mentally ill.

Mental health professionals use the term anosognosia when they want to treat a patient who believes themselves to be mentally healthy against their will. This is generally the rule rather than the exception as people who commit problem behaviors rarely consider their own behavior problematic.

If you think being "normal" will protect you from the mental health industrial complex, you clearly have not met any of it's victims.


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-16 12:07:06 Reply

At 6/16/17 10:38 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: If you think being "normal" will protect you from the mental health industrial complex, you clearly have not met any of it's victims.

I think I'm not american.


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-16 13:12:10 Reply

At 6/16/17 12:07 PM, satanbrain wrote:
At 6/16/17 10:38 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: If you think being "normal" will protect you from the mental health industrial complex, you clearly have not met any of it's victims.
I think I'm not american.

So in your case the victims never get free from the psikhuskha to tell their stories?


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-16 17:36:34 Reply

We lost due process when 9/11 happened. Did no one else notice?

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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-16 18:11:14 Reply

At 6/15/17 05:28 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: http://www.vocativ.com/430439/criminal-mental-health-project-privacy/

Yup, they've started surveillance on the Mentally Ill. No rights, no diagnosis, no doctor, no shit; once they think you're crazy, it's off with the hounds.

Oh, and right to due process?

HAHAHAHhhAahHAHAhhahah!

Oh man, what year do you think this is, 1968? "due process" LOLOLOL

You seem pretty concerned about this judging by the amount of threads you have devoted to it. The question I have is, do you actually intend to do anything constructive about it or just complain about it on the internet?

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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-16 19:19:54 Reply

At 6/16/17 06:11 PM, RightTime wrote:
You seem pretty concerned about this judging by the amount of threads you have devoted to it. The question I have is, do you actually intend to do anything constructive about it or just complain about it on the internet?

You're right. I need to scale this up into full blown memes.

Back in my day you couldn't farm memes with web apps that automatically attached text. Each letter had to be attached by hand in MS Paint with a stone tool.

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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-16 19:25:55 Reply

So we should just let the mentally ill wander around, letting their condition progress, and become a danger to themselves and others?

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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-16 21:07:03 Reply

At 6/16/17 07:25 PM, MemeFiend wrote: So we should just let the mentally ill wander around, letting their condition progress, and become a danger to themselves and others?

You assume this is a slippery slope.

Not all mentally ill people become a danger to themselves or others. Some people are just strange.


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-16 22:08:11 Reply

At 6/16/17 09:07 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
At 6/16/17 07:25 PM, MemeFiend wrote: So we should just let the mentally ill wander around, letting their condition progress, and become a danger to themselves and others?
You assume this is a slippery slope.

Not all mentally ill people become a danger to themselves or others. Some people are just strange.

And what about those that do?

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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-16 22:52:14 Reply

I think it's just nice to know somebody is going to be looking out for me from now on.


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-17 04:54:42 Reply

At 6/16/17 10:08 PM, MemeFiend wrote:
At 6/16/17 09:07 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
Not all mentally ill people become a danger to themselves or others. Some people are just strange.
And what about those that do?

Threatening others is already a crime. As such it requires a presumption of innocence and judicial oversight.


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-17 13:58:43 Reply

At 6/17/17 04:54 AM, FUNKbrs wrote:
At 6/16/17 10:08 PM, MemeFiend wrote:
At 6/16/17 09:07 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
Not all mentally ill people become a danger to themselves or others. Some people are just strange.
And what about those that do?
Threatening others is already a crime. As such it requires a presumption of innocence and judicial oversight.

I feel like you don't really care about the issue or trying to resolve it, you just want to be publicly outraged about it.

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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-17 18:19:09 Reply

Why are politicians still around then?


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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-17 18:52:38 Reply

You sure have right to be worried about this.

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Response to Get paranoid 2017-06-17 20:13:18 Reply

At 6/17/17 01:58 PM, MemeFiend wrote:
I feel like you don't really care about the issue or trying to resolve it, you just want to be publicly outraged about it.

Treatment.
Doesn't.
Work.

People come out crazier than they went in. If they didn't, you would constantly hear glowing testimonials of people who's lives were turned around by therapy, such as anger management classes.

However, you generally don't, because, as I said: Treatment doesn't work.

The only practical solution mental health has to treat people with problem behavior is medication, and frankly, sedation.

They turn people into zombies. They might as well still be lobotomizing people.

However, when those people who have been institutionalized to believe their actions are the result of substances instead of circumstances go off their meds, they are MORE imbalanced than before, and commit horrible crimes.

Increasing the number of people on meds will only increase this problem, and since meds are the only practical solution mental health treatment offers, increasing the influence of mental health treatment will also only increase this problem.

I have looked long and hard for those people who feel they were helped by mental health treatment. I have not found them.


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