At 6/16/15 08:09 AM, NeonSpider wrote:
Also, nothing wrong with doing it for recyclables though but that wasn't the specific case I was talking about.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with that.
Maybe. Maybe not. You don't necessarily know everyone's situation and I still think you're oversimplifying things.
I know I don't know their situation and I don't pretend to.
Telling someone to get a job is bad. It's unhelpful, leads to resentment, and ultimately only makes you feel good about yourself when you've been of precisely zero practical use to those who need it.
Except when they actually take your advice, find a job, and start making some money.
It's asinine. It assumes that jobs are easy to come by or that anyone could easily get a job when that's not necessarily the case.
Jobs aren't that hard to come by. You can easily get work doing odd jobs moving furniture, painting fences, mowing lawns, walking dogs, etc. There is countless opportunities to make money, even if you're an unskilled dimwit. They might not be high paying jobs, but it sure beats being broke and depending on others for handouts. If, on the other hand, you're physically disabled and unable to do those things, that's what SSDI is for.
I don't blame someone for physically attacking someone for it.
Wait, what? Did I read that right?
If, on the other hand, you actually help them get a job or offer them a job yourself, rather than being asinine this would be legitimately helpful. Whether they take up your offer or not is on them but never tell someone to get a job without offering them a job unless you have a death wish.
What do you think telling someone about those sort of job opportunities is?
If I tell someone that there's people on Craigslist right now that need help moving furniture and are willing to pay them upwards of $20 per hour to do it for them, I think that would count as helping them find a job. If I tell someone that a local moving business is looking for helpers right now, and that they could care less what your background or experience is, that is helping them find a job. If I tell someone that my neighbor needs someone to mow their lawn or help them with yard work, that is helping them find a job.
Yes, seriously. Unless you yourself help them get a job you're just being an asshole telling them "get a job". It helps no one. You're just making yourself feel good at their expense and they're already homeless.
I guess all those voc-ed teachers are assholes too, then. I mean, how dare they have the audacity to train people on how to get jobs? Those lousy assholes! They're just trying to make themselves feel good at the expense of others! Lol.
I'm more likely to put food or a means to obtain food (but not money) in their hand. I believe everyone should have that. An example of a means to obtain food that isn't money would be gift cards to food places. Or a free food coupon. It's only usable for food.
It's not necessarily wrong to give someone food instead of money, but you must bear in mind that there already exists a multitude of ways that a person in that situation can get food (and many other essential things, for that matter) through government benefit programs, food drives and private charities.
I think that even most homeless folks could tell you (honestly, that is) that the vast majority of the time, they're not out begging for change because they're hungry. They're doing it because they need some quick cash to get drunk or get high. That is the unfortunate reality of it, no matter what you believe. I've actually met quite a few who were honest enough to admit to me that the only reason they wanted me to give them some change was so they could go to the liquor store and buy a 24 oz can of 211.
I don't believe you sympathize with their plight. You seem to view them more as simply a social nuisance who occasionally annoys you, at best. I'll agree I don't particularly like being around them much, but they're human too and they have needs.
Believe what you will. I've already stated my position on the matter.
Are you legitimately showing them how to make money though? Are you really?
Yup!
Or are you just being the typical judgmental asshole that just screams "get a job" at all of them, without providing a means for them to do that, as if that helps anything?
Nope!
I mean if you're legitimately helping them earn money, that's laudable. Somehow I get more the impression of the latter though.
I'm not sure why you would get that impression, given that I explained that I actually tell people about jobs they could get, rather than simply telling them to get one, but OK.
As long as you're legitimately showing them how to make money and not just being all haughty flaunting money and telling them to "get a job" while providing no realistic means for them to do so. Primarily that is why you should never tell someone that unless you yourself either offer a job or connect them with someone who will -- basically have a way to line up a job for them. Otherwise it's asinine at best.
You don't necessarily have to connect them with the job yourself, but you can tell them about it so that they can connect themselves. If I tell someone there's someone on Craigslist right now looking for help with various odd jobs, they can visit the local library, go on CL and get in contact with those people. I'm simply letting them know that these opportunities exist. I'm sure that any sane person can agree that telling someone about a job they could easily do that could pay them upwards of $20 an hour is a lot better than giving them some spare change.