LMFAO!

Myself, @Bit, @Sekhem are dead right.

@PussyShark is delusional and dead set on his original jumped-to conclusion. I will say this about your data --

1 -- you are confounding all cases of erectile dysfunction and *assuming* they are all or at least most are caused by porn. False.
2 -- Correlation does not equal causation. Isn't it entirely possible that someone who is already erectile dysfunctional would increase porn usage *because* they're already erectile dysfunctional and not the other way around? In other words the porn didn't cause the dysfunction.

Again, you haven't the slightest scientific data to back up your assumption because it isn't scientific. On the other hand, I have the scientific data to back up mine -- which is that cigarette smoking and use of certain kinds of recreational drugs causes erectile dysfunction, which is exactly what I am claiming is the cause for yours, rather than the scapegoat of "porn caused it". No it did not.

Also I've said it before and I'll say it again but I can get it up hard as a rock multiple times a day every single day, easily, I use porn, *AND* I'm older than you. Check Fucking Mate, buddy!

Oh and I bet I've gotten off more times in a day than you've ever gotten off in an entire week.

You are emotionally invested in this false idea of yours and that is why you're taking it so personally and getting so angry and calling everyone trolls who rightly tell you watching porn doesn't cause any of this. You might be grabbing it too hard while masturbating, but that's not the porn -- that'd be the same as if you weren't using porn and is known as "grip of death" or "death grip" but that's a different issue.

And if you're having some success getting your erectile dysfunction back on track, it's because you've cut back on smoking, not porn. And it's because it was caused from smoking in the first place.

At 5/27/15 02:28 AM, PussyShark wrote: However, this is Newgrounds. The likelyhood that people who need to-
- switch different females,
- jump between fetishes,

exist on this site is high. Frequency and intensity are both factors here.

There is little available evidence either way, but I don't think so. I would surmise people here who are privileged to have active sex lives and experience PIED is rare. Mainly because a significant portion of the male NewGrounds (any non-mainstream media websites, really) populace do not have an active sex life to begin with. Until these NewGrounders have erectile dysfunction during their next sexual encounter PIED is a non-issue.

btw, while "no-fap" and porn abstinence may overall improve sexual-drive, it doesn't cure the underlying issue of being a loser when it comes to initiating romantic-erotic relations with women.

At 5/27/15 04:09 AM, PussyShark wrote: wrong again, that is how it's supposed to be. A woman should never even SEE a flaccid dick.
...What women are you sleeping with that would put a small flaccid weiner in their mouths?

what? There are plenty of women who enjoy seeing and making a penis go from a flaccid to erect state.

At 5/26/15 10:42 AM, PussyShark wrote: completely false.
porn will not make you last longer in any way, it doesn't make you hornier at all. I don't know where you guys are getting that, it COMPLETELY takes away your drive.

Not completely false. Porn desensitizes the brain, regular masturbation desensitizes the penis, therefore the overall desensitization from masturbating to porn can indirectly increase endurance when it comes to real sex. This basically follows your logic, as loss of sensitivity can be considered a type of erectile dysfunction albeit not nearly as bad as being able to achieve and maintain an actual erection.

Edit: making serious progress on my addictions.
I'm 15 days without porn, 9 days without masturbating. I've had sex twice with two different girls in that span and I feel like a machine.

Two random girls? Unless you happen to be Ryan Gosling or Channing Tatum, I've never understood how this works. I understand women are just as much sexual creatures as men...but just the idea that women would allow a stranger or friend even just have sex with them without building a relationship first...I mean it's cool though. Just perplexing to a guy who could never be that Chad at a bar who can go out any day of the week to a bar and expect to get laid.

At 5/27/15 04:49 AM, NeonSpider wrote: LMFAO!

Well, I originally wouldn't respond to you because you are extremely obvious and un-artful with your trolls.
However, I gave you an out earlier. You should have taken the out, because now you're about to be slayed. >:(

Myself, @Bit, @Sekhem are dead.

Takes 3 to try and knock ME down (:

1 -- you are confounding all cases of erectile dysfunction and *assuming* they are all or at least most are caused by porn. False.

Incorrect. I have had experience with this because MY porn usage was very intense in its nature, the frequency was also high; once every other day. I know that this was the issue because, once I experienced the problem first hand and stopped, I've been able to enjoy a healthy sex life again with no issues. I can't prove to you the results of my own personal little scientific evaluation and idrgaf. You don't even have a profile picture.

2 -- Correlation does not equal causation. Isn't it entirely possible that someone who is already erectile dysfunctional would increase porn usage *because* they're already erectile dysfunctional and not the other way around? In other words the porn didn't cause the dysfunction.

Porn-usage excluded, Erectile Dysfunction by itself does not occur in ANYone with no health problems under 40, much less a healthy 25 year old lady killer like myself. Period. It doesn't happen, it does not exist. It's an old man problem.
You lost that one pretty easily.

Again, you haven't the slightest scientific data to back up your assumption because it isn't scientific. On the other hand, I have the scientific data to back up mine -- which is that cigarette smoking and use of certain kinds of recreational drugs causes erectile dysfunction, which is exactly what I am claiming is the cause for yours, rather than the scapegoat of "porn caused it". No it did not.

(sigh). ok, I'll address this. get ready to be wrecked. I actually am very knowledgeable on this subject.
Cigarette smoking does not CAUSE ED. it is LINKED to ED. It contributes in a very small way due to (some forms of) ED and cigarette's shared relationship with the circulatory system.
Smoking cigarettes have a negative effect on your respiratory system and circulatory function, but can't just "close off" an artery, that's impossible.
PIED, however, is an issue concerning the nervous system.
This entire time you've been going on and on about that and I just shut you down in a couple brief sentences. lol if you're not trolling and you actually believed everythingbyou were saying about cigarettes this whole time then you are an unbelievably colossal idiot :D

Also I've said it before and I'll say it again

i know, you won't shut up about it. which is why-
but I can get it up hard as a rock multiple times a day every single day, easily, I use porn, *AND* I'm older than you. Check Fucking Mate, buddy!
-the idea that you're old and going on about your own erectile strength has lead me to believe that you have your own issues.

ALSO!, I'm younger than you, AND my dick is bigger than yours!
@Radaketor, @Amaranthus, @Pyrogreg lol

Oh and I bet I've gotten off more times in a day than you've ever gotten off in an entire week.

How that's something anyone would ever be proud of is beyond me. I have better things to do than sit on NG and jerk off all day.
You wanna talk about "I bet's" like a speculative little child-bitch?
Well I BET I get more pussy than you in a few hours than you do in a year.

You are emotionally invested in this false idea of yours and that is why you're taking it so personally and getting so angry and calling everyone trolls who rightly tell you watching porn doesn't cause any of this. You might be grabbing it too hard while masturbating, but that's not the porn -- that'd be the same as if you weren't using porn and is known as "grip of death" or "death grip" but that's a different issue.

For someone who claims to have more scientific evidence than me and isn't as emotionally invested, you sure do speculate a lot! All these "mights" and "maybes" 'n shyt.

Get rekt, @NeonSpider. You have lost.

At 5/27/15 05:28 AM, Sekhem wrote:

At 5/27/15 05:00 AM, S3C wrote: Porn desensitizes the brain

how?

I explained how.
But I'll go in-depth. You see, the chemical "dopamine" is released when a human being desires anything related to its survival. sex. eating. sleeping. personal achievement. novelty.

(and PORN happens to be EXTREMELY novel).

when we watch porn, COPIOUS amounts of dopamine are released.
What starts to happen is that after more and more porn, a person's dopamine high gets weaker from the same material, so they turn to "stronger" material for a larger dopamine high. It is not unlike a serious drug addiction.
Eventually what occurs is that your dopamine receptors, the Nucleus Accumbens and the Hypothalamus, both become so desensitozed that the natural male drive doesn't kick in when you interact with an otherwise beautiful female. No dopamine, no messages to the penis via nerve endings, no erection.

See, you SAY that the arousal you achieve through porn and sex are one and the same. But that's clearly not the case if the simple idea of a naked woman in bed with you doesn't cut it.
You can achieve the SAME level of sexual stimulation through normal sex (I'll stop saying "vanilla," you're clearly a chocolate type) that you do through porn usage, it's just that your addiction requires you to have higher amounts of dopamine in order to have the SAME result. So no, porn amd sex are not the same, they just feel like it to you.

At 5/27/15 05:26 AM, PussyShark wrote: Smoking cigarettes have a negative effect on your respiratory system and circulatory function, but can't just "close off" an artery, that's impossible.

I made an error and felt like correcting it- yeah cigs can close off arteries, they can do tremendous damage, but I'm 25 and only been smoking a year. C'mon.
and anyway, I'm 2 months and 5 days without one. clearly not the best candidate for cig-related health problems, especially when im a runner.

At 5/27/15 05:53 AM, Sekhem wrote: so, uh, where's the scientific data for this process you just explained? (as @bit and @neonspider have asked for)

because i'm damn sure not taking your word for it

There's a slew of information on the internet. Discovery News has done a segment, there are xTed talks, websotes ALL OVER the web and I linked to 60 different medical doctors on page 1, but the one guy I'm choosing to link you to is someone who has made great strides in making people aware, and that's Gary Wilson. Here's a 55 minute and 40 fucking second video where he discusses the subject and the very detailed scientofic process behind PIED. https://youtu.be/EHHyt6z0osA

At 5/27/15 05:26 AM, PussyShark wrote: ALSO!, I'm younger than you, AND my dick is bigger than yours!
@Radaketor

I haven't seen @NeonSpider 's dick yet but PussyShark does have an abnormally large dick.

At 5/27/15 05:26 AM, PussyShark wrote: ALSO!, I'm younger than you, AND my dick is bigger than yours!
@Radaketor, @Amaranthus, @Pyrogreg lol

I can vouch for his beautiful large cock

I think alcohol is more of a boner killer than porn...

At 5/27/15 05:26 AM, PussyShark wrote:

At 5/27/15 04:49 AM, NeonSpider wrote: 1 -- you are confounding all cases of erectile dysfunction and *assuming* they are all or at least most are caused by porn. False.

Incorrect. I have had experience with this because MY porn usage was very intense in its nature, the frequency was also high; once every other day. I know that this was the issue because, once I experienced the problem first hand and stopped, I've been able to enjoy a healthy sex life again with no issues. I can't prove to you the results of my own personal little scientific evaluation and idrgaf. You don't even have a profile picture.

Oh, so your personal experience leads you to believe? Well my personal experience says the exact opposite, buddy. Also profile pictures have precisely jack shit to do with this although it would be easy to assume one would choose a name of "PussyShark" because of personal insecurities. You probably chose the name because you think it makes you sound like a "pussy killer" because without such a name no one would make that connection.

2 -- Correlation does not equal causation. Isn't it entirely possible that someone who is already erectile dysfunctional would increase porn usage *because* they're already erectile dysfunctional and not the other way around? In other words the porn didn't cause the dysfunction.

Porn-usage excluded, Erectile Dysfunction by itself does not occur in ANYone with no health problems under 40, much less a healthy 25 year old lady killer like myself. Period. It doesn't happen, it does not exist. It's an old man problem.
You lost that one pretty easily.

I lost to what? I'm older than you, true, but I'm not the one who has any problems getting it up ROFLMAO!

(sigh). ok, I'll address this. get ready to be wrecked. I actually am very knowledgeable on this subject.
Cigarette smoking does not CAUSE ED.

Smoking can cause it though. You're just wrong.

-the idea that you're old and going on about your own erectile strength has lead me to believe that you have your own issues.

I have no such issues. You are projecting. Don't assume just because you have issues that all people older than you must have those same issues.

ALSO!, I'm younger than you, AND my dick is bigger than yours!
@Radaketor, @Amaranthus, @Pyrogreg lol

Your dick may or may not be bigger. That I don't know and neither do you. But even if you have a 12 incher, I'm pretty sure a decent-sized multi-orgasmic dick (what I have) is preferable than a flaccid 12 incher.

I can almost guarantee mine is thicker than yours though. It's thicker than almost everyone's. You want measurements? 6.5 inch length. 6 inch girth. Bonus points to me for multi-orgasm ability. I can just keep going and going. Meanwhile you have a floppy noodle.

Oh and I bet I've gotten off more times in a day than you've ever gotten off in an entire week.

How that's something anyone would ever be proud of is beyond me. I have better things to do than sit on NG and jerk off all day.
You wanna talk about "I bet's" like a speculative little child-bitch?

Know what's child-like? Changing your username to something like PussyShark. I mean Good God! It sounds like something a middle-schooler would choose. And I'm damn proud of being able to get it up when I want whenever I want, unlike a certain someone who can't even get it up every day. And it's quite impressive to be able to multi-orgasm, which I can, so yes that is something to brag about if we're speaking purely sexual ability.

Well I BET I get more pussy than you in a few hours than you do in a year.

Dumpster sluts don't count, dude. Also quality > quantity. I can go to just about any club and pick up some 8/10s, 9/10s, or 10/10s. Are you getting with 3/10s, perhaps?

Get rekt, @NeonSpider. You have lost.

Pfft. Hardly.

At 5/27/15 08:26 AM, dem0lecule wrote: I thought I wouldn't touch this shit thread with a barge pole. But now I am.

I have to applause at your effort, @PussyShark. And everyone else who tried very hard to fight him.

To defend your porn's ideology.

It's just he's spouting unscientific shit as if it's fact based only on his personal experience and extrapolating that onto everyone as if it speaks for everyone when it at most speaks only for himself or others like himself.

And I think he's wrong in his self-diagnoses even. He self-diagnoses porn to be the cause of his impotence. The true cause is smoking, drugs, and alcohol, and possibly hereditary factors, pollution, or other contributing factors.

He's kind of set up a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy though, in that now that he believes porn is a cause, it will have that effect somewhat on him, but only because he believes that it will. But he will take that as irrefutable proof that it does when, in actuality, it's only a mind trick he's playing on himself.

At 5/26/15 01:05 AM, DJEarRape wrote: I've been trying to achieve ED because I have fantasies of slapping things with my floppy dong but can't do it without getting a hard on. What should I do?

Whiskey.

At 5/27/15 08:23 AM, NeonSpider wrote:

At 5/27/15 05:26 AM, PussyShark wrote:

At 5/27/15 04:49 AM, NeonSpider wrote:

stuff

Nope. You've resorted to far too many assumptions and speculation. The argument is over, I win.

Thanks to porn, it take me anywhere from 20-45 minutes to bust now.

I'm either going to make a girl very happy or very bored one day.

LOL WOW

I can't even believe this right now! A flash animation just went through the portal concerning PMO!

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At 5/27/15 05:50 AM, PussyShark wrote: when we watch porn, COPIOUS amounts of dopamine are released.
What starts to happen is that after more and more porn, a person's dopamine high gets weaker from the same material, so they turn to "stronger" material for a larger dopamine high. It is not unlike a serious drug addiction.
Eventually what occurs is that your dopamine receptors, the Nucleus Accumbens and the Hypothalamus, both become so desensitozed that the natural male drive doesn't kick in when you interact with an otherwise beautiful female. No dopamine, no messages to the penis via nerve endings, no erection.

I'm not trying to minimize your past problem, and it's good that you partake in a healthy (and hopefully safe) sexual life in the present. but this neurological theory is far from being revolutionary. Even with the anonymity of the internet, your are one of the few people I've read about claiming to have suffered from PIED.

If you eat your favorite food every day, you're not going to get the same "dopamine high" the next time you smell, taste, or think about that food. On the contrary, if you're starving you'll get a comparatively larger gratitude towards foods that you normally don't care for. Need not explain the chemical and brain structure interactions, we all know the same feelings applies to anything we enjoy or do not appreciate. Don't watch porn for a week, it's easier (and more enjoyable) to achieve an erection. Don't masturbate for a week, it's easier and more enjoyable to achieve an erection. Abstain from both activities and the effect is further amplified. And this isn't just neurological- testosterone levels buildup as well.

Even with that said, I think this dopamine ED hypothesis you have here is a little dubious. For one, dopamine is just one hormone involved in sexual arousal. There's sex hormones, oxytocin, serotonin, vasopressin, etc. that lead to erections and that's not even including physical stimuli- is a dopamine insensitivity really strong enough to inhibit the effects of these other hormones? Perhaps, I would like to see some literature either way. Secondly, pornography only directly stimulates visual stimuli, while real life involves sexual stimuli from four senses (maybe taste if you are a weirdo).

Again, If you put 100 males who watch porn but haven't had sex for a while, versus 100 males who have sex regularly but do not view pornography, I'd put my money on the former group to more readily achieve an erection for logic mentioned above. If an otherwise healthy male is having trouble getting an erection, it is most likely due to being overly nervous and/or being uncomfortable wearing a condom. If that's an improper diagnosis and the blame is to be pinned on porn, I'd surmise the lack of an erection is due to an unusual stimuli, different from what they are accustomed to in erotica, opposed to complete desensitization.

You know I haven't really read any of the articles the OP posted, mainly because I wasn't interested. There may be some truth to what he is saying considering that watching porn doesn't always give me an erection, but "replaying" the porn in my mind does.

Also, I've been doing cybersex for about 12 years now and at times its more stimulating for me than porn; however cybersex seems MUCH more difficult to partake in as it requires social and attraction skills I haven't quite obtained yet.

Another thing to point out is that abstaining from porn and/or masturbation doesn't increase your chances of hooking up or getting laid unless you already know how the process works. The few times I tried to "give up" porn has not made me a better person. Instead, certain people are saying I'm too "desperate" because I'm "trying too hard". Unless someone offers obtainable alternatives to porn, certain people are not going to give it up because they realize that maybe porn is the only thing that makes them happy in the screwed up world we live in, just saying.

I've tried a lot of condoms and haven't found one I can feel jack shit in, so I have a lot of trouble staying hard in them, but everything's great without one. Don't know if that's that I've desensitized myself over the years or what, but there are definitely a lot of guys who jerk off a lot more than I do and are fine. At this point my problem is probably a combination of not being able to feel anything and anxiety that i'm not going to stay hard.

if you've never not used a condom I recommend doing it (safely) because it's the bee's knees. Never pressure a girl into getting on birth control, though; the pill is horrible and basically ruins a woman's body.