At 4/8/15 06:15 PM, swampwoman wrote:
Funny thing is, in the east that's what they see as nirvana.... literallly to 'snuff out' like a candle, because they see death and birth as an eternity of repetitive pain imprisoning us, life is inherently filled mostly with pain, even if youre lucky enough to be born human, with a modicum of freedom from oppression and poverty and disease, every love, every friendship is bound to its end in grief and loss, and youve carried this burden forever. No escape, death is just having to be helpless in the womb again, which the hindus and other eastern belief systems see as cramped and painful, not some half remembered heaven before birth like we are led to think in the west.
We think death is annihilation of our precious experience, the end of all joy and colour and beauty, which for some reason we associate with black, an experience... and heaven is supposed to be eternal continuation of an idealised existance, with the spiky bits removed, as if there could ever be such a simple state with all the baggage that makes up what we call 'us'
You can't win either way, annihilation or eternity, both can be just as miserable a prospect to the selfhood built of attraction and aversion conditioning, buzzing like a bee in a bottle.
I do think though, that beyond the opposites of happy and miserable, if we can escape the dreamlike nature of reality altogether, is something altogether other, but so impossibly awesome that weve spent forever creating whole universes to run away from it.
Sometimes i think that, anyway.
Sometimes i think all life in the universe is just something that gradually ripens to a state of universal love and oneness, just so some dark god can pluck it and eat it, maybe there are whole fields of universes, and its farming for the appetites of beings so evil by our standards that we can't concieve of their true nature except as devourers.
Just a thought, y'know, spread a little cheer....
WARNING - WALL OF BULLSHIT
Nothing changes at all, whether God exists or not and those stuffs, your boring reality of tomorrow will still be there and so mine, until one day we are death. And it's not just us, if time doesn't matter after death then all this world that we have pondered so much about will simply cease to exist as we die. I like to think this as I and everything didn't exist at all. Not that we existed and now we are no longer but simply didn't at all, a complete ontologically negation of me and the reality. That will be your awesome death!
Floating everywhere, there are the information of many people who existed and I never know. Their life, their stories, their love, nothing about them I ever know. I really do want to know them, it's so frustrating they are just lost like that. Now this is unrelated to what I am saying. I swear your brain has to put a limit on how much you can comprehend death, without that limiter we all would be scared shitless to death or become kind of heroes to continue living in such a state.
I don't believe anything in all this. For such a concept, I can't even believe my mind. But that kind of useless, for my mind decides which I believe, which I want to believe and who I am. After my death, my mind can go fuck itself.
Actually there is an escape from reincarnation though, that is the whole concept of Buddhism. Which is to know, to understand and so you can become (a) Buddha (Awakened One). And they are far from being that nihilist, they don't say that life is simply suffering and have nothing better but to them, suffering is unavoidable in life and so a person need to come in term with it, understand it and it will help them archive the true peace and happiness ( what is this?). As of now, there are many brands of Buddhism and in some they teach you to not even do good things because it will cause your karma and there is not really something like "good karma" or "bad karma", just karma. Like, if I save your life as a kid and then you grow up, do wrong things to people would it be a bad or a good karma to me? It's just karma and I have to avoid any karma because it will tie me into reincarnation. But damn it's not easy because even if I avoid doing something or everything, it still cause my karma. So I believe it's not just about "do this and not do that" but more about understanding the fundamental of what exactly is doing something? What is karma? Anything you do will cause an effect and I like to think the sum of those effects simply as you, your existence.
I just like to think so, I don't believe so, much less I know so. Even if I have the answers, it's hard to believe myself because my mind will constantly lie to me. Well, this is a lot of bullshit coming from me.
tl;dr
I know shit.