What if I told you...

[5ERGEI]

...that neither answer..... the red pill or the blue pill... was the correct one?

In America, we are governed by the two main parties...

Republican and Democratic

What if they are simply two sides to the same coin...

....A good-cop bad-cop routine.

Two groups that appear opposite but equal.... and are actually in-fact the same?

What If I told you that both of these parties are simply the left and right foot of the corporate machine we call America, which will perpetually rob its citizens blind of wealth, rights, and liberties?

There are more than two options, but the machine does not want to reveal that there is a third choice..... a choice against the perpetuation of said machine.

The media we view on a daily basis is all privately owned and funded by the very same individuals who run Corporate America.... and it feeds us propaganda and leads people to believe we are actually making a "choice"

Red or Blue?

I urge you to snap out of this brainwashing, and restore your clean slate..... open your eyes....

and choose not to choose one of these colors....... become a supporter of WHITE.

END THE MACHINE.

END THE PERPETUATION OF INDENTURED SERVITUDE THAT WE CALL OUR CITIZENSHIP.

If this country were truly capitalist, every man would be entitled to the sweat of his own brow.

Certainly, funding things socially can have its benefits...... and taxes definitely have a place in society.... but America is Socialism painted to look like Capitalism.

The only ones who actually experience capitalism are the handful of individuals that own everything.... they are the only ones in control...

They control what we eat and drink, they control what we see and hear, they control what we have.... or what we are forced to give to them.... and most importantly they control the rights we should have as human beings.

Separate yourself from the colors...... become blank........ become white.

End the machine.

[Warforger]

At 8/5/14 07:44 PM, Raab wrote: Two groups that appear opposite but equal.... and are actually in-fact the same?

Then you should give me one Vietnamese Dong for every time I hear that, because then I'd be filthy rich in Vietnamese Dongs.

[orangebomb]

Any amount of validity that the OP has in his points essentially went down the drain when he started to go into a random tangent that I would expect from leanlifter or some other troll. The fact that you use words like "open your eyes" and "indentured servitude" means that you have to rely of exaggeration and ignorance to push your argument.

[Camarohusky]

Ugh, aside from your "I'M FUCKING CRAZY! OUR GOVERNMENT IS RUN BY A BANANA DISH WASHING CHEVROLET!" act, your point is still full of shit, and, frakly, I'm fucking tired of all you hipster pseudo intellectuals claiming "BOTH PATREEZ ARE TEH SAMEZZ0R!

Grow up. Both parties are VERY different. Sure, if you compare then to an extreme position, YES, they seem similar, but guess what? The Country is NOT as extreme as you! For a country that is largely center (what side fo center depends on what you use as your basis for averaging) two parties that are largely center, but fit a short but significant distance on either side of that line make a great deal of sense.

Now, do the parties both have similar problems? Absolutely. They both seem to be beholden to the $ instead of the people. This is a severe problem, but it in now way means the parties are the same.

So please, people, stop telling us the complete and utter fallacy you came up with one late night in highschool/freshamn year of college in your marijuana induced philosphical time. It is NOT a revelantion and it flat out isn't true, and even where it is, it's not relevant enough to be a worth while factoid. Your time would better be spent tending to those "sheeple" you people love to talk about.

[5ERGEI]

At 8/6/14 11:08 AM, orangebomb wrote: Any amount of validity that the OP has in his points essentially went down the drain when he started to go into a random tangent that I would expect from leanlifter or some other troll. The fact that you use words like "open your eyes" and "indentured servitude" means that you have to rely of exaggeration and ignorance to push your argument.

I have yet to read anything in your "response" that does anything but insult my views without reason.

[5ERGEI]

At 8/6/14 12:01 PM, Camarohusky wrote: Ugh, aside from your "I'M FUCKING CRAZY! OUR GOVERNMENT IS RUN BY A BANANA DISH WASHING CHEVROLET!" act, your point is still full of shit, and, frakly, I'm fucking tired of all you hipster pseudo intellectuals claiming "BOTH PATREEZ ARE TEH SAMEZZ0R!

Rather than refuting the things I have stated in my original post with facts or legitimate concerns, you instead began spewing forth a slue of insults and it was immediately dismissed as diarrhea. Sorry.

Grow up....

I think its fairly obvious you are the "pseudo-intellectual" that needs to grow up.

The only relevant thing you responded with that wasn't simply insulting my character and a direct attack on my person was that you still believe democratic and republican parties are completely separate entities....

And of course both parties are indeed different..... but that is part of the illusion of giving Americans a choice.

These parties are just as "different" as your left and right foot.... they are both feet belonging to the same person.... and they are walking us (this country) in the wrong direction.

Now, do the parties both have similar problems? Absolutely.

Then why choose either of them if they have problems?

If I offer you a choice of
a rotten steak
OR
a raw steak

why not choose a cooked steak?
why not choose a meat other than steak?
Why not choose something other than meat?

The bottom line is..... if both parties have their problems..... why to we continuously support them instead of pursuing an alternative?

[Wongoof]

It's like a chess game.

There's white pieces, then the black pieces.

Both pieces are essentially the same, they just take turns.

They you have the chess players that are manipulated them behind the scenes, while the general public focus on the pieces.

[orangebomb]

At 8/6/14 06:49 PM, Raab wrote: I have yet to read anything in your "response" that does anything but insult my views without reason.

That's because your argument is so full of crap, it's almost impossible to for me to utterly break down your argument without the inevitable ad nauseum response, almost like a parrot. Just for kicks though, I'll answer the last question you gave Camaro.

"If both parties have their problems, why do we keep voting for them instead of pursuing the alternative?"

Rather simple, the alternative parties are at best are well-meaning but have highly impractical policies at best, and at worst they're no different than Democrats/Republicans, the only difference is that the support for most of these parties come from ignorant ultra-liberal college students, art house hipsters/hippies (The liberal version of trailer trash) and conspiracy nuts who believe in the Illuminati are going to control the world. By comparison, most Democrats/Republicans are generally moderate in their positions, and tend to get the most support from the average Joe.

The real issue isn't with the democrat/republican names in itself, the problem lies with the fact that they have become more and more polarizing and would rather cock-block each other than get anything done without a fight. Just imagine a third party president getting in, his presidency will most likely be total hell with dealing with the moderates and those on the opposite side of the spectrum.

[Warforger]

At 8/6/14 08:45 PM, orangebomb wrote: Rather simple, the alternative parties are at best are well-meaning but have highly impractical policies at best, and at worst they're no different than Democrats/Republicans,

Most of your argument is "The people I associate with like these parties I don't like therefore the party itself is stupid" which is a bad argument that people like Bill O'Rielly use to discredit their opponents.

But this particular part is so true. It's absolutely depressing watching the 3rd party debates and all they do is agree on every issue aside from a token few.

[Camarohusky]

At 8/6/14 07:08 PM, Raab wrote: Rather than refuting the things I have stated in my original post with facts or legitimate concerns, you instead began spewing forth a slue of insults and it was immediately dismissed as diarrhea. Sorry.

That's the kind of response you get when you make those hip yet flat "C'mon sheeple" arguments. Not to mention one that has been made a million times before, and yet has never been made well.

And of course both parties are indeed different..... but that is part of the illusion of giving Americans a choice.
These parties are just as "different" as your left and right foot.... they are both feet belonging to the same person.... and they are walking us (this country) in the wrong direction.

And that foot is the nation, and guess where the nation's center of gravity lies? Right between the feet.

Those who fault the parties for being the same have some crazy illusion that the view should be made from a relatively extreme position. Well, guess what, America is a center nation. It looks from the middle, not from the right or the left. This is why to central parties are the best fit for it. If you were speaking of Denmark, you's probably have a point, but you're not.

Then why choose either of them if they have problems?

Who doesn't have problems?

You're opinion is akin to those nuts who want to scrap the entire welfare system because 1% might be misusing it. The two parties, eve with their problems, still represent the wishes of the US far better than any alternative.

If I offer you a choice of
a rotten steak
OR
a raw steak

I get it, you don't like the parties.

The bottom line is..... if both parties have their problems..... why to we continuously support them instead of pursuing an alternative?

Because, to use your steak analogy, the alternative to rotten steak and raw steak is a pile of cow shit. All of the third parties in the US are too small to keep the crazies (see Ron Paul) from co-opting and polluting their message and image. Not to mention that most of the third parties also harbor views that are far too left or far too right for 75% of Americans to feel comfortable with. Finally, the problems you claim exist with the current parties will exist with ANY party that reaches the power level of the big two. You don't fault the platforms, you fault corruption as if a new party would be impervious to the corruption that is both so rampant, and so easy at the Congressional level.

Your argument has philosphical merit, but lacks any attachment to the real world. Not only does your argument fall apart completely when you look at what you believe are the problems with the current parties, but it completely ignores the biggest part of the voting system: the American people.

Oh, and if you don't want to be ridiculed, keep your ridiculous tone and analogies at home.

[5ERGEI]

At 8/7/14 12:12 AM, Camarohusky wrote: All of the third parties in the US are too small to keep the crazies (see Ron Paul) from co-opting and polluting their message and image. Not to mention that most of the third parties also harbor views that are far too left or far too right for 75% of Americans to feel comfortable with. Finally, the problems you claim exist with the current parties will exist with ANY party that reaches the power level of the big two. You don't fault the platforms, you fault corruption as if a new party would be impervious to the corruption that is both so rampant, and so easy at the Congressional level.

Your argument has philosphical merit, but lacks any attachment to the real world. Not only does your argument fall apart completely when you look at what you believe are the problems with the current parties, but it completely ignores the biggest part of the voting system: the American people.

Oh silly me.... I forgot about all those factual things you stated, which aren't opinions or assertions or assumptions at all, and how they all happened the last time an independent party "reached that power level."

Also, tell me more about Ron Paul and how he is crazy.

[Warforger]

The issue is that 3rd parties are there mostly just to have a good time. 3rd parties don't disagree with the mainstream parties or each other on that many issues to begin with so their existence is kind of useless. The only reason to be against them is because you don't like the organization of the traditional parties.

[uhnomal3]

I agree

except about "if America was truly capitalist every man would be able to profit by the sweat of his brow"
Because, what we really do, is work for capital that isn't ours!

Besides that, the red and blue pill are simply instituted to divide. ("Divide and conquer")