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What is right?

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What is right? 2014-07-21 01:15:29


In reflecting in all the arguments for what is right and wrong to fight for, what relevant, driving, valid reason is there to go to war, or to support another groups war?

How can someone be sure that what they feel to be an undeniable right, is not something that is mere social construct of their culture? What real right does one culture have to dictate right and wrong to another culture? To arm them, or to disarm them?

Is it possible that the only determination of right and wrong, on an international level, is purely derived from the amount of influence and profit to be gained from a certain action? From the possibility, that nations, not even overtly hostile to your own, could be weakened, therefore lending the advantage in access to resources controlled?

There are many wars supported by the united states these days. Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Ukraine, Syria, and likely more to come. At what point were we ever ethically compelled to influence the outcome of their own internal conflicts? Because we cared? Or because it suited the needs of a capitalist entity?

Too many people believe that a 'loss' of money for a government is a genuine loss. Every bullet used, every city razed, and every child murdered is an opportunity for a corporation to profit. Reconstruction bids to be 'awarded' to the victors of a slaughter, arms contracts for the conquerors, and multi-million dollar aid projects to finance the operations of more companies with already deep pockets. Nothing is 'free' in a capitalist war because everything is profitable for someone. The only people that actually 'lose' are the one who do not participate, the civilians, the tax payers.

It is far more likely that, in addition to the profits enjoyed by the companies cleaning up after our messes, keeping undeveloped nations in a constant state of instability will forever ensure that populations in those regions will never require the resources that civilians in 'civilized' western nations demand on a daily basis. It has been said that if China's population reached a living standard on par with Americans, that the entire world economy could collapse under the strain within years. If the whole world reached such a standard, there would be no hope of the West maintaining a dominant, decadent, and luxurious living standard. Therefore, by keeping as many people in other nations in a constant state of war, and drawing as much resources, economic, or otherwise, into the western sphere of influence, the current western standard of living is prolonged for as long as possible.

So which is it? Are we ethically, or practically, motivated to determine what when it is right to be involved with other countries problems? What is "right". What is the definition of "right". Because the people need it? Or because our own people need it, regardless of their opinions?

Response to What is right? 2014-07-21 02:30:04


At 7/21/14 01:39 AM, Korriken wrote: Right and wrong are social constructs. The Vikings had no qualms about raiding a coastal village, plundering for food and wealth, taking slaves, and leaving few if any survivors.

To them it was just how life was. What you may consider abhorrent, others see no problem.

Even the definition of murder varies between cultures.

Then to you, "right" is not of any ethical base, but of resources. To the vikings, it was not just, "how life was." It was how their society extracted the resources needed to maintain a way of life. How could they do anything else without drastically changing their core societal values? They killed, raped, pillaged, and warred to maintain their way of life for as long as possible.

Response to What is right? 2014-07-21 13:27:35


In my opinion, nothing can be "right" if it involves killing people. About the rest I don't care.


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Response to What is right? 2014-08-03 20:08:07


At the core heart of things, everyone has the same moral ethical standards. The confusion comes when we as human beings start using what we want as a moral guide to manipulate the truth of what is truly right in order to satisfy our desire and goals. many things come in to the picture to misconstrued what is correct and true about right & wrong.

1. HOW WE'RE RAISED 2. CULTURAL NORMS 3. OUR FAITH.

for an example Some people may be raciest to a certain group of people, and treat those group of people badly. Now in retrospect of that, do you think those racist people feel what they are doing is wrong? or right? they of course FEEL they are right because that is how they were RAISED to believe. But certain CULTURES would say that it is wrong, or even some influencing FAITH they might believe.

But we all know 1 thing that follows all people and that is that murder is wrong. This is a very important truth, so lets expound upon it. How in the world did every reasonable thinking person come to the conclusion that killing someone else is wrong? this is important because it's one of the only things not changed by culture. And the answer to this lies within your conscience. Well what is your conscience? the dictionary defines conscience as "the inner sense of what is right or wrong in one's conduct or motives, impelling one toward right action: to follow the dictates of conscience." here is a website that somewhat helps: ScientificAmerican.com.. I have come to understand, me being an adult, that love most surely helps clear the fog in this intensely confusing debate. The reason is because love eliminates the "ME" factor. You then ask yourself Is what I'm doing loving? And actual love is selfless and has nothing to do with feelings; feelings are like the dollar bill you carry while your love is the Gold that gives value to that dollar bill. If you build what is wrong and right around love (NOT MISCONSTRUED VERSION OF LOVE), you will never go wrong lol


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Response to What is right? 2014-08-03 22:24:40


Concepts like right and wrong are nothing more than mindsets that one group of people have, whether it's through culture, politics, beliefs and what have you. Part of the problem is that a lot of said beliefs contradict others who have different philosophies and if egged on enough, they go to war, and the one who wins the war is going to be the most dominate philosophy for the time being.

Sure, there are things that every major culture have in common, such as senseless murder being bad and worshiping of whatever their deity was either as a requirement or at least very commonplace. But beyond those few similarities, abstract concepts vary wildly from nation to nation, such as country A raping and plundering treasure from a conquered territory {Vikings, Mongols, Nazi Germany} would be considered barbaric by country B, and on the other side of the coin, something like teaching tolerance or democracy would be seen as verboten and weakening of their own culture coming from country A to country B.

It's easy for us to say that democracy and capitalism would be considered good things by our standards in general, {and most of the developed world for that matter} but from someone who lived in the Soviet Union or Iraq are naturally going to have different views on what is right and wrong.


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