You know those terms of service?

[Letiger]

You know those terms of service you see on every site that sells products and says that they're not responsible for shit &c. That is, if you actually bother to ream them? I've actually found a site, here, whose terms of service are, well, great. It makes me feel respect for the person that wrote it. I don't know; I just feel that way when I read them.

[MikeyS9607]

Erm.. YES! I ALWAYS read them! I Read them when joining NG when I was 10...

Alright we all hate to admit but very few of us reads TOS. Unless they have a TL;DR version.

[Akkere]

#1 Lie in the World: "I have Read the Terms of Service"
I don't think people even bother to click on the hyperlink that leads to the TOS.

[Letiger]

At 2/5/12 02:12 PM, Akkere wrote: #1 Lie in the World: "I have Read the Terms of Service"
I don't think people even bother to click on the hyperlink that leads to the TOS.

I do it occasionally when I'm bored. Not often, but I do it. The only time I did read a TOS when prompted was when my PS3 needed an update. It was late that night.

[Amaranthus]

Nope,never heard of it.

[Akkere]

At 2/5/12 02:13 PM, letiger wrote:

At 2/5/12 02:12 PM, Akkere wrote: #1 Lie in the World: "I have Read the Terms of Service"
I don't think people even bother to click on the hyperlink that leads to the TOS.

I do it occasionally when I'm bored. Not often, but I do it. The only time I did read a TOS when prompted was when my PS3 needed an update. It was late that night.

I only do it if its from a company that has a bit of a shady/less-trustworthy reputation. Like, if I ever wanted to get software from Apple (which I've never done) I'd definitely read it.
And then you have Google which you can kind of trust right away.

Especially if they announce a major change in privacy policy, something most companies don't do outside of "We have new TOS, click the checkbox if you agree"

[II2none]

I'm only concerned about the terms of service if something is going to cost me.

[Letiger]

If you didn't click my link, the guy posted, basically, his TL;DR version near the bottom.

The Bottom Line

If you're happy, I'm happy.

If you're not happy, I'll do everything I can to put things right.

It's a simple philosophy.

[Auz]

At 2/5/12 02:02 PM, letiger wrote: You know those terms of service you see on every site that sells products and says that they're not responsible for shit &c.

As far as I know:
The funny thing is that while they may write that down, it is questionable whether they really aren't responsible and won't be held responsible. I've read about numerous law suits where the customer won because the terms of service were unclear, weren't in agreement with federal law or even that they couldn't expect the customer to read such long pieces of text.

The bottom line always remains that when you buy a product, they have to send it to you and it has to be exactly the product that they're describing on their site. They can write down "The product may differ from the description and you can't get a refund if it does" in the terms of service all they want, but they should still refund your money if that's the case.

So I seldom read them, but I only buy things from sites that I deem trustworthy anyway.

Those terms of service are nice by the way. I would indeed trust them more if they keep it simple and personal like that.

[Forte]

At 2/5/12 02:18 PM, letiger wrote: If you didn't click my link, the guy posted, basically, his TL;DR version near the bottom.

Brilliant. I didn't click the link, but I read it via your picture. However, that TL;DR version is great. Kudos to this guy.

[Lintire]

At 2/5/12 02:24 PM, Auz wrote: As far as I know:
The funny thing is that while they may write that down, it is questionable whether they really aren't responsible and won't be held responsible. I've read about numerous law suits where the customer won because the terms of service were unclear, weren't in agreement with federal law or even that they couldn't expect the customer to read such long pieces of text.

This is true, an obscene amount of text and a checkbox don't magically clear you of any responsibility.

For the guy's terms and conditions, personally would have included a few lines stating that I wouldn't take any responsibility from damage incurred via pre-existing medical conditions or generally fucking around with my products.

If you're dealing in consumables it doesn't hurt to be safe.

[LucasJC]

I'd totally buy this guy a beer.

If I wasn't 13.

[MaartenC]

Seems like a cool guy, but I don't want him emailing me with special offers.

[Lorkas]

Heh, I'd actually buy from a guy like that.

[Letiger]

At 2/5/12 03:01 PM, MaartenC wrote: Seems like a cool guy, but I don't want him emailing me with special offers.

If you don't want him to, he won't. He even says that.

[Swag-in-a-Bag]

I hate TOS they always use big words and loopholes to cover their asses in case something happenes to you while using their shit

[Spretznaz]

ToS: tl;dr

[ProMotionProductions]

Those terms of service are not legally concrete. He's just trying to BS his way around it.

The reason you feel all warm and cozy is because you're under a blanket of charismatic bullshit.

I wouldn't trust that guy at all.

[MaartenC]

At 2/5/12 03:52 PM, letiger wrote:

At 2/5/12 03:01 PM, MaartenC wrote: Seems like a cool guy, but I don't want him emailing me with special offers.

If you don't want him to, he won't. He even says that.

I saw that, but I have bad experiences with unchecking ~5 hidden options about contact.

[hecticjon]

holy shit it's letiger

also nobody ever reads the ToS no matter if it's just one sentence or one novel filled with legal bullshit

[Letiger]

At 2/5/12 05:11 PM, hiddeninthecrowd wrote: holy shit it's letiger

also nobody ever reads the ToS no matter if it's just one sentence or one novel filled with legal bullshit

I read them.

Your statement is invalid.