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This is an NGADM Round 5 review.

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Mixing needs work? Yeah. Abrupt transitions? Some here and there. Premature ending? Yup. But damn it all, I absolutely adore this approach a lot more than I thought I would. This is in the same light as an NGADM 2012 track by BlazingDragon, Alpine - http://goo.gl/pZaqCh, but at the same time, despite stylistic similarities, it really is entirely different. BlazingDragon's felt more serious and sophisticated, whereas this had a more laid-back mood with positive, warm vibes (plus it is kind of twice as long). Both are solid approaches though, that both showcase the expressive and diverse nature of this genre. Anyhow, enough chit-chat - time to delve into the meat of the track.

You know I first saw your submission on my mobile while at university and obviously didn't dare to listen to it through tinny, mono sound from my mobile speakers. I still read the author's comments, and was elated to see that you said "I love the melodies" because I think you have a really great sense of melody (or at least one that mirrors my tastes haha), so I knew instantly that when I'd hear it 10 hours later at home, I'd really enjoy the composition (plus, it's a really good sign that a musician enjoys the melodies he composes). And I sure as hell did enjoy it. Wonderful, memorable and upbeat melodies with a very appreciable amount of variety.

One thing I feel like noting is that you didn't take the route that's often tempting in this kind of music, and just keep a whole line of directionless, probably improvised melodies going on from beginning to end, but you actually gave this a really strong flow and well-built structure, formed heavily on melodies that lead naturally onto the next and melodic phrases answering each other. Some of your melodies remind me of melodies by Reasoner here on Newgrounds. Don't know if you've heard his stuff before but I'd highly recommend it. I just love how intricate your melodies are over here. This is exactly what I was hoping for after hearing your track in the previous round. The harmonies and interplay of different instruments is just magnificent. Your control over all of these different elements is masterful and showcases your compositional skill wonderfully. Just yes.

In terms of actual sound, I presume you used the same piano sample you used in the previous round, didn't you? Whether you did or not (can't tell because I'm audio noob), the piano here sounds great. I think it could've done with a touch more reverb, but the melodies are already pretty muddy as they are (more on that later) so that might not be the best of ideas unless you make the reverb tail quite thin (I find high-end reverb does a great job of wettening an instrument while not interfering with the mix much). Still, overall you've created a really unique and flavourful soundscape, that shines very much at parts like 1:19, where your piano, bass, and synth ambience combine to create this astoundingly warm and gorgeous texture. Also, the drums are really nice, if a bit interfering at times. Also, watch out, they get quite repetitive. The secret behind making a flowing drum line, I find, is to add a tonne of subtle hits, variations and fills here and there, which isn't quite what you did, opting to repeat the same drum pattern over and over again.

Mixing... well, you're aware of most of this I'm sure. I still think your piano could have a bit more reverb (it sounds kinda bare and dry at 3:19 especially) and I also think your bass could have a deeper low end (although it's still clean as hell, because it's made by johnfn). More significant is the fact that the mix can get undefined at times, especially the piano. I'm not too bothered about this in certain parts because you've made a much clearer effort to humanise the piano and give it irregular timings and all that, which in turn made for some notes that were a bit buried in the mix - no biggie in the expressive, slow section. However, during the climactic sections I felt like the piano's melody could have been tighter and more defined.

The synth you use at the beginning was a sweet idea that landed you points for creativity and sounded nice for the most part, but at parts like 2:12 its raw nature, I felt, clashed with the deeper sound of the piano. Also, the hats from 2:58 onwards are too upfront in the mix, just like the tambourine in your Round 3 track. Leading from my point about the undefined piano melody, in the climactic sections the mix does unfortunately get a little bit cluttered, undoubtedly due to your admirable ambition of having a zillion beautiful melodies going on at once, on top of such heavy and quick drums. However, the clutter is much less prominent than I expected, especially given the little time you had to mix this.

In terms of intro, outro and transitions... at first I thought the way you just dove right into the track without much progression was a bit too hasty, but nah screw that. I love the intro - it just sets the mood effortlessly, and then when you introduce the synth subtly later on it came together very well (but that's just my opinion). The outro was definitely premature. I felt like 4:14 came in a bit too early and didn't quite have a suitable, well-thought-out approach. That said, I love how the track dies down for the ending, even if I wish that it was a bit more gradual. Oh and... as much as I'd like to enjoy the transition to the fast section, because you clearly put effort into making it smooth, I can't help but think that it still felt like it came out of nowhere.

When it comes to the semi-finals and finals, I become really indecisive about my scores. However, I think I'm going to settle with ranking you as 2nd place in my scores. This track has a hefty amount of flaws, and etherealwinds' track is damn good, but there's such depth in the composition and thoughtfulness throughout that I'm going to have to give you a marginally higher score. You're becoming one of my favourite artists on Newgrounds. Keep it up!

Score: 9.3/10

johnfn responds:

> BlazingDragon

Ah this piece is nice. I don't listen to a lot of sophisticated jazz. I need to get on that. I actually have drawn a good bit of inspiration from BlazingDragon on earlier pieces (though not so much this one).

> melodies

YES. The one thing it seems I can count on during the NGADM is that we have the EXACT SAME TASTE. So if I like something then you definitely will too.

> Reasoner

Aw crap, his drums are so much better than mine D:

He is really good though. Gonna pick apart some of his pieces later.

> gave this a really strong flow and well-built structure

Now this is what made me really happy. In fact, the piece *was* built off a lot of disjointed improvisations. What I spent a huge amount of time on was the arrangement - gluing all those separate ideas together with snappy transitions to make it appear like the entire piece was a big journey to the climax rather than random ideas stuck together.

Yes! I fooled the NGADM judges! HEHUEHUHUE! I'm super happy because before NGADM I couldn't do transitions like this to save my life.

> piano

Yep same VST as last time. I like it too much.

> drums are repetitive

YES. I completely agree. I ran out of time. ;.; Mostly because I was doing all that arrangement stuff. I can normally do the fills and stuff pretty fast, but I'm unfamiliar with jazz fills so that would have taken longer to figure out.

> bare piano at 3:19

This is a really good point. Relistening shows that this is an obvious error. Will keep that in mind in the future.

> deeper bass

I think this is just because the deep frequencies of the piano are colliding with it. But yeah, a definite error!

> buried notes during the climax

Yeah I agree. I'm pretty sure this is because I have a synth melody and a piano melody that practically completely overlap. Essentially at the end I had a choice between making the climax feel full but muddying the mix, or making it feel empty but having a clean mix, and I opted for the first one. I should have just gotten rid of that synth (or put it somewhere else) though.

> synth clash at 2:12

I actually can't hear this at all, probably because I've been listening to the synth/piano combo for hours straight. I'll come back to it in a week with more fresh ears and see if I can pick out the problem.

> 4:14 comes too soon brah

On a relisten I agree. I think I was actually slightly worried the climax was too short even as I was composing. And the die down after the climax could definitely have taken a little bit longer. I need to learn from people like Kor-Rune who properly structure that sort of thing.

> beats come form out of nowhere

Yeah this is hard to realize while I'm composing, because I'm too busy being like "zomg this sounds awesome" to see if it's properly justified by the rest of the song. I think you're definitely on point about this, so I need to go see how other people introduce crazy drums into a song.

> lots of nice things

THANK YOU STEP. I don't know what I'm going to do after NGADM when I'm no longer guaranteed to have amazing and detailed reviews that point out literally every aspect of my song and make so many helpful suggestions. The whole thing has been an amazing learning experience, thanks in no small part to your hard work. I can't even properly express how appreciative I am.

thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou

This is simply gorgeous. I really really love synth and jazzy piano together, such a nice complement, especially with the drums throughout. I love the piano part at 1:12, but I think a change in drum rhythm would add to the transitioning here! ^ ^

I can imagine hearing this being performed at a fancy restaurant. It creates that sort of homely and comfortable atmosphere. The transition to the drum and bass part, as you've said, is really quite sudden for me. I think separately, the more reserved section of the song and that part are both amazing on their own, but for me I feel as if the d&b cancels out the atmosphere that's been created. Perhaps less repetition and more variety would help this piece out!

I think that you are extremely, extremely talented and totally deserve to be this far into the competition and proceed further too. It's an honour to hear your work.

johnfn responds:

HOW I HAVE I NOT RESPONDED TO THIS. I wrote up a response for it like 5 times in a row but then I kept on turning off my computer without submitting it for some reason. Anywho... The dnb was definitely a mistake as is, but I'm glad the rest of the piece worked for you :) Your point about atmosphere is a great one, especially because in my mind you are the king of atmosphere.

Thanks for the review!

I love the instruments, especially the drums and those spacey chords that have a lot of crescendos and diminuendos. The mood is well-established: blissful at times, yet contemplative at others. Sometimes how you phrase the piano riffs makes them seem a little too busy, however, like at around 1:15. I love how you incorporated electronic elements into jazz. The DnB drums you mentioned in note #6 felt a little out-of-place at times, but maybe you just need some different samples. The transitions into 3:03 and 4:14 were pretty good, and overall it's a very well-structured, amusing, relaxing, and unique piece. As always, the majority of my complaints (perhaps with the exception of the drum samples) are minor details. Even if you don't get to the NGADM finals, which I'm hoping beyond hope that you will, I'll be extremely excited for your future content. Amazing work, Johnfn, as always! ;D

johnfn responds:

Thanks for the great review as always :)

Those transitions were definitely done in the last few hours. Glad they worked out mostly ok! I do feel like the NGADM trial by fire where everyone is listening to every transition has taught me a LOT about how to do transitions. I was definitely not able to pull off anything like these transitions a month or two ago, and especially not in a few hours!

The crazy drums were a last minute addition, and if I've learned one thing from NGADM it's that last minute additions almost never sit well, but honestly without them the last section loses a lot of vibrancy. You could be right that it's just a problem of samples though.

As much as I'd like to move on, I would be content with stopping here and not having to stress over my pieces so much... the NGADM workcycle is intense. Plus, have you heard the pieces etherealwinds and steampianist wrote? O_O

that's the jazz I need

johnfn responds:

Always happy to provide :)

Okay, so the mixing needs more work. You know what? I don't even care. The judges can all worry about such technical aspects while I get lost in your masterful and completely gorgeous melodies. You've given this piece so much gentle soul it's almost not to be believed, and your climax idea is simple yet inspired, not to mention very well-executed. I'm actually kind of bummed that this is a truncated version, but I can certainly understand since song length ends up becoming something of a detrimental factor at some point. Deciding what to leave on the cutting room floor is a very difficult task indeed.

I have no idea if you've ever played the Shin Megami Tensei Persona games, but this makes me think of some of the music from that series; mainly the third and fourth installments. Your piece has that same kind of emotion-inducing appeal, and to me the emotion being portrayed is one of hope and discovery...as you say in your comments, the possibilities that exist within our world. Those are some fantastic qualities to extol through music, in my personal opinion.

The only thing that diminished the experience for me was the way that it cuts off abruptly at the end. I'm assuming that this is the result of hasty rendering and the need to submit this quickly before the deadline, but I am thoroughly pleased to know that you will continue to work on it in order to present the song as you intend; to complete your vision for this, your magnum opus.

Overall, I have enjoyed this thoroughly and am happy to say that it's my favorite of yours to date. I can sort of envision the endgame, and I look forward to listening again once you are truly finished with it. I wish you all the best! Good luck.

johnfn responds:

Oh man... I have been nervously anticipating the first review ever since I dropped the song a few hours ago. There is this crazy anticipation that builds up when you work on something for a long time without any feedback... It's scary!

Anyways I appreciate this review a lot, especially coming from you, because I feel like we're on the same page with our obsession over the perfect melody :) I'm glad all that works for you.

I've never played the Persona games, but I've heard enough about them to be intrigued. I will definitely check them out. I need a break from all this crazy NGADM work, phew!

Can't excuse the ending. Threw some jazz chords on it and tossed it out the door haha.

The one thing that worries me is calling it my magnum opus, because that implies it's all downhill from here ;)

A guy I really respect once said that he never considers anything he does to be his magnum opus but rather just practice for the next thing. And in that sense I really agree. This song isn't my magnum opus; when I was writing it I was feeling more like I was just opening the door into a whole new deeper world of more complex chords and melodies. There's so much out there to explore :)

Thanks again for the review.