jeez, you get out of even more animation than the 'madness' guy by not even having bodies, let alone arms or legs heh heh. 'sok though, that's your style and i dig it. i've seen that swish program, and i thought you did really well with your limited resources. you should be proud of that music, it was sweet. i also see that you have an eye for the cinematic. when you master flash mx, you'll be a force to be reckoned with, says i.