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Socrates Jones: Pro Philo

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Sep 18, 2013 | 8:51 PM EDT

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NONSENSE! After an unfortunate incident, Socrates Jones must debate a host of philosophers in order to win back his life. More than slightly inspired by the Ace Attorney series.

Authors note: This is for real this time, by the actual creators! The person who was pretending to be us didn't even upload the most recent version. That's just lazy game theft, that is.



Rated 5 / 5 stars

This game is amazing.

I love Ace Attorney, and the fact this is all about philosophies and morals makes it even more incredible. :)

I guess you never face off against Friedrich Nietsczhe because you already adapt his philosophy for being an Ubermensch by believing there is no true answer?

(Sorry if that counts as spoilers. :( I won't reveal who the final boss is though, it's a secret. ^^;)

Erm, I'm not sure what else to say here. :( I guess I love using logic and figuring things out because it makes me feel smart. XD Though sometimes I get stuck for a while. ^^; Sometimes when I finally figure it out though, it's like, I should have came up with that answer all along. XD

I love the dynamic between the dad and his teenage daughter too, whether it's sad, heartwarming, funny, etc. ^^;

Hearing about philosophers in school seems kind of interesting, I wonder if I should have taken a class like that if I was able to, or something like Psychology. :? I think I would have if I saw it so they probably didn't have it on my high school and I don't remember learning about it. :( I guess they might have these things in College/University though so I could take it later, if I ever make it there...

Sorry for getting all emotional. ^^;

Anyways, even though there's only a handful of characters to face off against, the game still seems to take a few hours to beat, but that's good, it gives it a lot of depth for a flash game. :)

I wish there were more Ace Attorney games. <3 Whether it's actually like Ace Attorney with cases or another game on some interesting topic like philosophy...

Thank you for making this. :3

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Rated 5 / 5 stars

I honestly didn't expect this game to be as good as it is. It starts off fairly slow, but when you get into the real debates the game takes off.

If you're of an inquisitive mind you should definitely play this game. How the debate works is the person gives their full statement, then it's automatically split up into small sections which you can ask for clarification on, ask for proof, or question relevance. Doing this can get a person to rephrase their statement or add an additional statement (which you can then examine further), remove their statement (if shown to be irrelevant), or add an idea to your "Idea Slate". This is what you must use to ultimately win most arguments - by using an idea on your slate to defeat a part of their statement. The ideas primarily come from your current opponent, so that combined with all the questioning and examining is very reminiscent of how Socrates would approach something put to him.

It is frustrating at times when you need to dig around to find the right objection when the game doesn't entirely follow your thinking, but there are ways through that. You are allowed to question someone's statements as many times as you like, but ideas presented from your idea slate, when wrong, cause a green bar to go down, which if runs out causing you to lose (you can restart the argument - you never have to re-start from the beginning of the game). If you get completely stuck, your best bet it to question everything, and focus on statements that are added or changed to win the argument. The path of the game is completely linear, but the challenge comes from finding holes in their arguments. It is also a great positive that the game is simply questioning other people's answers, and not actually telling you how things are or being preachy about it. At the same time, I can imagine no game more likely to make someone into a better person than this - simply for the examination of morality.

It's very well written - possibly the best writing I have seen in any game (including commercial games), and it remains consistently good. It's a good mix of humour with real emotion - it's a shame it couldn't be voice acted, but in reality there's just so much there it would take too long to hear it all - you'd end up reading it instead. I did think I was maybe missing something though because there are credits for the voices, but as I mentioned no voices. Only 1 word is voiced, and you'll find out what that is (part of the humour!). The story is great - it would have been fantastic had it been longer, but I can't penalise it for that because it already feels substantially lengthy, with plenty of content. Any more might cause heads to explode.

The animation is not all that animated, but it conveys the important stuff such as facial and arm expressions, and lip movements. Again this could be improved upon, but only to very limited benefit for the game.

I don't give out 5 star reviews very easily, but although I pointed out a couple of areas where the game could be made even better, I feel this deserves it. The content couldn't be much better, and any improvements would either be window-dressing, or simply an extension to the game.

Speaking of extensions... please make some! It could be perhaps done in a sequel where is reason is found to continue the search for the answer, or they could simply be presented as an extension to this game, as if you had spoken to a few more people before making that game-changing statement to the arbiter. I need to keep my appointment with Nietzsche!

Finally, just to end it off - Wonderful Game. Play it. Your brain will thank you.

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Rated 5 / 5 stars

You are truly a genius, the format and exploration of the different philosophical views was astounding, and your teams breath of knowledge of the subject was amazing. The mechanics of digging into the different philosophies meat and bones to not only reach a better understanding but also inspire our own conclusions and thinking on philosophies that may otherwise seem perfect is simply amazing.

And i applaud you for your ending, at one point about half way through i was beginning to question the nature of the games philosophy, thinking you were guiding us towards a forgone philosophical conclusion of some sort, possibly of your own philosophical views. This at first upset me, as i knew that a true philosophical debate was not within the parameters of the game, and the arguments and counter arguments are limited due to the format. However in the end you surprised me by guiding me towards a conclusion i had never heard of or considered myself, without espousing the virtue of one philosophical view point over all others. This in itself shows the true genius of the game, by promoting philosophicle thought above all else, without guiding you towards one specific philosophy

In that regards, if you make a sequal (which i hope to plato you do) i would lay of bashing the various philosophical views if possible. A game as great of this should encourage thinking in all philosophies, and the attacks against europhyties philosophy (though i agree) may have turned some people off to this avenue of philosophical thought. I do however accept that the bashing did lead to entertaining banter and made the game more enjoyable, which as a developer you also have to consider, so regardless of this fact you get all my stars.

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Rated 5 / 5 stars

Amazing game. I loved Phoenix Wright and I loved this. Picking the subject of morality i think was a good one. However, I'd love to see some sort of sequel (I know I'd put some money in a kickstarter) where another philosophical topic was chosen such as epistemology or metaphysics.


Rated 5 / 5 stars

one of the best games I've played all year. Even though I had to look up a guide for Kant, it was extremely entertaining, kept me on my toes, and actually got me thinking for the first time in a long time. I would recommend to anyone and everyone.