Be a Supporter!

Cinema Club

  • 297,042 Views
  • 6,416 Replies
New Topic Respond to this Topic
Auz
Auz
  • Member since: Feb. 23, 2005
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Moderator
Level 60
Movie Buff
Response to Cinema Club 2016-10-31 19:16:06 Reply

In the remainder of the week to Halloween, I watched these:

Gremlins
This one actually gave me nightmares as a kid. I remember I only watched it to about the halfway point before I got too scared and turned it off. Having watched it now, I must say that there are some pretty freaky scenes. For the most part, it's really silly and campy though, and overall fairly enjoyable. I imagine I may have been nostalgic about it if I had enjoyed it as a kid.

Rosemary's Baby
Although this film is almost 50 years old, it holds up very well to this day I would say. What I particularly liked is that there are multiple levels to the horror. There are elements of supernatural horror, but it's also a psychological thriller and it works really well on both levels. I'm afraid I'll spoil the ending if I say too much about it, but I really liked the final scenes.

Alien 3
I think the direction (by David Fincher) is pretty impressive for a debut. However, the film itself is just kind of a bore in my opinion. Apart from Charles Dance, I couldn't really get invested in any of the characters, and the horror is nothing that I hadn't seen before in earlier Alien films. Also, they really messed up the CGI in some scenes. There's one shot where the alien is literally green.

The Thing
Similar to the original Alien, there's something about the monster that's really fascinating. I actually kept looking forward to the next time The Thing would show up again, even though it's very gross. Anyway, it's a good horror film in my opinion, although the writing can be criticized. For one, there seemed to be a few cases where characters came to conclusions a little bit too quickly. Secondly, there are definitely some instances where you can question the logic of the characters. If I remember correctly, they quickly figure out that The Thing only strikes when it's alone with someone, but still they keep going about the base on their own or in groups of two.


[Forum, Portal and Icon Mod]
Wi/Ht? #36 // Steam: Auz
The Top 100 Reviewers List (Last updated: 1 October 2017)

BBS Signature
Sense-Offender
Sense-Offender
  • Member since: May. 16, 2005
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Supporter
Level 40
Movie Buff
Response to Cinema Club 2016-10-31 19:20:36 Reply

At 10/31/16 09:53 AM, Jackho wrote:
At 10/30/16 02:09 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Been meaning to see that.
The show or just the new season? It's one of my favourites either way. I rewatched season 1 as well, totally forgot how insane the first episode is. Such a spectrum of emotion squeezed into 40 minutes.

Oh, the show. It sounds like it's good.

It's still clearly written as it goes on rather than planned out

This is how I've felt with every season I've seen. Is it really that way? I finished Asylum yesterday and it's definitely way better than Freakshow and Hotel. I'll probably see Murder House some day.

Season 20 is definitely a step higher than what the show has been for a long time though, and while some stuff carries over a lot of it is new and self-contained, like Cartman is basically a completely different character for the sake of the new story.

Bleh. I thought the Isis ninjas thing was kinda funny, too. What really made me laugh was the BUCKLE UP, BUCKAROO bit at the beginning of the season. And the episode about drones had its moments. But for the most part, I've been very bored with South Park since I was in high school, and it's not me getting older.

Existential dread is best dread.

Now, that makes me think of the Gantz comic. The show kinda sucked, but man, that was a good comic.


sig by JaY11
Letterboxd
one of the four horsemen of the Metal Hell

BBS Signature
Jackho
Jackho
  • Member since: Dec. 20, 2008
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Supporter
Level 36
Movie Buff
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-01 08:59:18 (edited 2016-11-01 09:06:48) Reply

At 10/31/16 06:57 PM, TheMaster wrote: I watched the first two episodes tonight and thought they were probably the weakest in the show's history. The first makes its point in the first 5 minutes and then goes on for an hour with absolutely nothing surprising happening, and the second is a concept that has been done to death already.

I don't agree but I can see why you'd say that. This show has never been overly clever or subtle and each season has had a pure, on-the-nose satire episode (Fifteen Million Merits, Waldo). Nosedive is similar in that it's all fairly obvious from the start but I still found it an enjoyable episode, it's well made, paced, acted, has some of the more interesting and polished aesthetics, and the main character's arc felt smooth and natural rather than a sudden heel turn. She has to learn through gradual experience rather than just being told what she's doing wrong which they sort of subverted. Ending was good too.

It's also a real thing in China if you didn't know, a numeric score for everyone based on how good of a citizen yu are. Implemented in 2012 and will become mandatory for everyone in 2020. There's some misinfo and exaggerations about what this system actually is, but at its most insidious it will trawl your social media activity and lower your score for political dissidence and wrong-think, and best of all is that you are affected by the people you're associated with. If you're friends with a free thinker on china facebook it'll drag you down, so you need to cut ties.

The episode wasn't a mind blow or anything but I think what it depicts is valuable. As someone who keeps social media use to a bare minimum it didn't hit close to home but I've seen reddit posts claiming it was a real eye opener, people realizing how much value they place in likes, both in how much they get and what they think of people who get more or less, and re-thinking about the reddit upvote system.

A couple scenes stood out too, like the airport. When the guard gives her a social death sentence while maintaining a friendly smile.

Playtest I thought was just a fun if unchallenging hour, like a popcorn horror film. Once things start escalating it's remarkably tense despite fully knowing it's a simulation. Also the guy was Kurt Russel's son and kind of swoon worthy justsayin. There was a good bit of foreshadowing on a rewatch too - it starts with him being told to turn off his phone to prevent interference, there's multiple spiders scattered around, a character design for the guy that pops up is on a computer Cooper walks past, that kind of thing. All the game references were nice too I suppose, it was directed by the same guy who did 10 Cloverfield and that Portal short so he's a certified #gamer.

This is basically what I expected when they ordered 12 or 13 episodes for a series that so far has only three episodes per season, more light and easy stories in the bunch rather than all bleak all day. I guess I went in with rock bottom expectations but both of these episodes surpassed them, though they're not massively impressive on their own. I haven't had any desire to rewatch Nosedive.

I absolutely loved Shut Up and Dance though, and San Junipero is genuinely beautiful and completely different to anything the show has done before. That's more what I want from the rest of the season, the high episode count means they can take so much more risks and try new ideas.

Men Against Fire is similar to Nosedive in that its extremely obvious from the start how it's going to go, but still done quite well and makes an interesting point. Haven't seen the final episode yet since it's an hour and a half long.

Shit, Rick and Morty did the whole "simulation inside a simulation" thing better.

To be fair Rick and Morty does most things better than most shows.

Hell of a long way from something like the Christmas special, with the utterly terrifying ending, or White Bear, with the amazing twist.

White Christmas is still my favourite episode and totally underrated in general. The National Anthem would be my runner-up but San Junipero and Shut Up and Dance would be up there too.

At 10/31/16 07:16 PM, Auz wrote: Gremlins

That infamous "...and that's how I found out there is no Santa" monologue, though. So many ruined childhoods.

You should see Gremlins 2 as well, people who hate it don't know what they're talking about. It's an intentionally ridiculous parody of the entire concept of sequels.

Alien 3

I think it was Ebert who said Alien 3 is the best looking bad movie he's ever seen, that about sums it up.


BBS Signature
Sense-Offender
Sense-Offender
  • Member since: May. 16, 2005
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Supporter
Level 40
Movie Buff
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-01 10:05:26 Reply

At 10/31/16 07:16 PM, Auz wrote: The Thing

That's one of my favorite movies ever made.

At 11/1/16 08:59 AM, Jackho wrote:
At 10/31/16 07:16 PM, Auz wrote: Gremlins
You should see Gremlins 2 as well, people who hate it don't know what they're talking about. It's an intentionally ridiculous parody of the entire concept of sequels.

Not only is it in the movie, but it's DEFINITELY in the movie! There are no backsies on that one!

Alien 3
I think it was Ebert who said Alien 3 is the best looking bad movie he's ever seen, that about sums it up.

As far as I'm concerned, there were only ever two Alien movies. Same with Terminator.


sig by JaY11
Letterboxd
one of the four horsemen of the Metal Hell

BBS Signature
Wegra
Wegra
  • Member since: Feb. 21, 2006
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Supporter
Level 50
Writer
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-01 17:04:55 Reply

I was flipping through the channels here and there. Saw bits of Halloween 2, The Pit and The Pendulum, and Hotel Transylvania


Ahahahahahah

BBS Signature
WaffleCrisp
WaffleCrisp
  • Member since: Jun. 29, 2005
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 27
Melancholy
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-02 00:45:49 Reply

My favorites

Full Metal Jacket X
Apocalypse Now X
Pink Floyd the Wall X
Enemy at the Gates X
Heat X
American Psycho X
Scarface X
Midnight Express X
Carrie X
From Dusk till Dawn X
Gladiator X
colors X
American Beauty X
The Exorcist X
Queen of the Damned X
Cube X
Dawn of the Dead(1978) X
Scarface X
Aliens X
Almost Famous X
Spaceballs X
Day of the Dead X
Gattaca X
Fritz the Cat X
The English Patient X
Platoon X
Braveheart X
Pink Floyd The Wall X
Pulp Fiction X
Starship Troopers X
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back X
Candy Man X
The Dark Crystal X
Pi X
Ted X
Labyrinth X
The Wrath of Khan X
Legend X
Fantasia X
Lord of the Flies

To name a few.


You've given me a mouthful of Greek salad.

BBS Signature
Jolly
Jolly
  • Member since: Jun. 6, 2008
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Moderator
Level 52
Blank Slate
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-02 01:16:43 Reply

At 11/2/16 12:45 AM, MaynardHeart wrote: My favorites

I didn't know they made 9 sequels to any of those movies.

Jackho
Jackho
  • Member since: Dec. 20, 2008
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Supporter
Level 36
Movie Buff
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-02 08:29:09 Reply

At 11/2/16 12:45 AM, MaynardHeart wrote: Ted X

This one?

Gay marriage by 2070. Sorry bigots, get used to it. State enforced homosexuality. I don't have a problem with that, it's equal.


BBS Signature
Dean
Dean
  • Member since: Feb. 16, 2008
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Moderator
Level 52
Gamer
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-02 14:20:04 Reply

Finally got around to watching the original Night of the Living Dead and I was pleasantly surprised. Usually with old timey horror films (although 1968 isn't that old compared to some of the old timey horror films I'm thinking of) I feel underwhelmed, but not the case with this one. It managed to stay intriguing the whole way through.

Usually when I watch a horror film I find myself questioning the decisions of the characters and pointing out the glaring flaws in their plans. There was a few times when watching this film that I'd do that, and then a few seconds later one of the other characters would point it out too, so that was a refreshing change for me. The only real, and very significant, exception to that was right at the end. Why the fuck didn't he shout out? Great ending though.

Other than that, my only minor grumble with this is that I went in with the expectation of it being quite a graphic film. The only George A. Romero film that I've seen prior to this one is Day of the Dead, and I remember that one having some really cool and grizzly practical effects. But having said that, the film didn't really suffer because of it.


BBS Moderator - Feel free to send me a PM if you have a problem!

BBS Signature
Absurd-Ditties
Absurd-Ditties
  • Member since: May. 12, 2005
  • Online!
Forum Stats
Member
Level 30
Blank Slate
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-03 19:10:10 Reply

Watched Lo and Behold, Reveries of the Connected World, Werner Herzog's new film about the internet.

Less out there than I expected. There's some really interesting history and factual content in there, with just a sprinkling of Herzogian madness thrown in. It's a rather cheerful film by Herzog's standards, and he seems to be having fun with it when he pops up in interview segments. No "chaos, hostility and murder" here.

At 11/1/16 08:59 AM, Jackho wrote: I absolutely loved Shut Up and Dance though, and San Junipero is genuinely beautiful and completely different to anything the show has done before. That's more what I want from the rest of the season, the high episode count means they can take so much more risks and try new ideas.

I watched these two tonight. Shut Up And Dance was another where I didn't think the concept worked as a full hour of TV, maybe more suited as a short like the smaller stories in the Christmas special, but I adored San Junipero.

Didn't feel at all like a Black Mirror episode, but was just really great high concept sci-fi with a strong human core, and I couldn't ask for more than that. Maybe Charlie Brooker does have a soul after all. He's beaten me down so badly in the past I was waiting for the gut punch twist right until the end of the credits, but nope, it's just really lovely.


Formerly TheMaster | PSN: Absurd-Ditties | Steam | Letterboxd

BBS Signature
Jackho
Jackho
  • Member since: Dec. 20, 2008
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Supporter
Level 36
Movie Buff
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-06 12:28:24 Reply

At 11/3/16 07:10 PM, TheMaster wrote: Watched Lo and Behold, Reveries of the Connected World, Werner Herzog's new film about the internet.

I'll probably see this soon. Haven't seen a Herzog documentary yet but he was on the Marc Maron podcast to talk about this one and made it seem interesting. The title is really clever, if it's not explained in the film it comes from the first message ever sent over the internet - "login", but only "lo" got across before the system crashed.

I watched these two tonight. Shut Up And Dance was another where I didn't think the concept worked as a full hour of TV, maybe more suited as a short like the smaller stories in the Christmas special

Don't agree at all, Shut Up and Dance 100% had me for its entire duration. Unbearably tense.

I was also thinking about Playtest again, the double simulation thing, I don't think it's comparable to Rick and Morty or whatever else does a double simulation, it's more like a false awakening from a nightmare and I think it's quite effective at portraying that. It's a different feeling from how a simulation is usually done. I'm sure double false awakenings have been done loads in films as well but still.

But I adored San Junipero. Didn't feel at all like a Black Mirror episode, but was just really great high concept sci-fi with a strong human core, and I couldn't ask for more than that. Maybe Charlie Brooker does have a soul after all.

Every time I think back on SJ I like it more. Love the little bits of foreshadowing early on too, like the young guy at the bar telling Kelly about his double knee surgeries, ha. Or having five weeks to live, how that was both ironically true and an actual fully plausible thing for her to say in the moment.

I was also happy to see Brooker as the sole writing credit on this one. I don't think he's deliberately cruel, just a pessimist and a worrier, just as the show doesn't paint technology as evil but rather how it accentuates the faults already present in humanity. "We're going to ruin this thing" rather than "this thing is going to ruin us."

I imagine it took more effort to say fuck it and just give us an example of technology being nice than to think up all the ways San Junipero could have gone wrong. Even as-is you could easily interpret the place as being overwhelmingly shallow or hellish but the delete option nullifies it more or less.

It's probably visually the best episode too.

He's beaten me down so badly in the past I was waiting for the gut punch twist right until the end of the credits, but nope, it's just really lovely.

Right? This show has trained me to predict how everything is going to go wrong. I was expecting Kelly to permanently transfer only to find Yorkie had already deleted herself, or that Kelly would die unexpectedly while plugged in and get trapped against her will, with Yorkie getting her wish but being stuck with someone who now resents her. The idea being that love can't last forever but someday tech might literally give people the option to chance it anyway. I realise that wouldn't work when they've established there's a delete option, though.


BBS Signature
Dean
Dean
  • Member since: Feb. 16, 2008
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Moderator
Level 52
Gamer
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-07 14:24:38 Reply

So after enjoying Night of the Living Dead and wanting to re-experience the vague memories I have of Dawn and Day of the Dead, I managed to get a copy of both on Blu-Ray. The Arrow releases aren't overly hard to find online, but unfortunately they're not exactly a bargain. Day of the Dead arrived in the post the other day but I'm waiting for Dawn to arrive so that I can watch that first. Hopefully it'll be here tomorrow.

Also decided to pick up copies of Land of the Dead, Diary of the Dead and Survival of the Dead since you can get them for next to nothing on eBay. I haven't seen any of them before but I'm well aware they're considered to be shit, especially the latter two. Just thought I might as well watch all of Romero's Dead films for curiosities sake.

Not a film but I also thought I'd check out Ash vs Evil Dead and managed to get the season 1 DVD off eBay. I somehow managed to completely miss finding out that this was released last year.


BBS Moderator - Feel free to send me a PM if you have a problem!

BBS Signature
DoctorStrongbad
DoctorStrongbad
  • Member since: Oct. 20, 2004
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 60
Blank Slate
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-08 19:23:21 Reply

I saw Doctor Strange , and I was very impressed. They took a big gamble by trying to combine a Super Hero film, and magic. It worked out very well. This is one of the few films that is actually worth seeing it in 3D. I am going to view it a second time this weekend. If you have not see it, you should really give it a chance. You will be pleasantly surprised.


I have a PhD in Troll Physics
Top Medal points user list. I am number 12

BBS Signature
Dean
Dean
  • Member since: Feb. 16, 2008
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Moderator
Level 52
Gamer
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-09 13:23:02 Reply

The family is together at last

Cinema Club


BBS Moderator - Feel free to send me a PM if you have a problem!

BBS Signature
Absurd-Ditties
Absurd-Ditties
  • Member since: May. 12, 2005
  • Online!
Forum Stats
Member
Level 30
Blank Slate
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-09 13:34:39 Reply

At 11/9/16 01:23 PM, Dean wrote: The family is together at last

Everything after Day detracts from the collection as a whole.


Formerly TheMaster | PSN: Absurd-Ditties | Steam | Letterboxd

BBS Signature
Dean
Dean
  • Member since: Feb. 16, 2008
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Moderator
Level 52
Gamer
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-09 13:41:27 Reply

At 11/9/16 01:34 PM, TheMaster wrote:
At 11/9/16 01:23 PM, Dean wrote: The family is together at last
Everything after Day detracts from the collection as a whole.

I know, but I'm committed to seeing this through!


BBS Moderator - Feel free to send me a PM if you have a problem!

BBS Signature
Dean
Dean
  • Member since: Feb. 16, 2008
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Moderator
Level 52
Gamer
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-12 05:25:17 Reply

So Dawn of the Dead and Day of the Dead were both fantastic. It's hard to pick a favourite, but Dawn wins by a fraction. I just liked the setting and overall atmosphere more. There just something about surviving in a zombie infested shopping mall that works so well. In my eyes, this is probably what I would consider to be the quintessential zombie film, although admittedly it's probably not a genre I'm too familiar with.

As far as trilogies go, these first 3 films in the franchise would definitely be up there as one of my favourites. Really enjoyed all of these films, which admittedly does make me a little anxious about watching the shitfest to come.

Think I'm also going to have to get a copy of Return of the Living Dead at some point, just to see where that branch goes.


BBS Moderator - Feel free to send me a PM if you have a problem!

BBS Signature
Absurd-Ditties
Absurd-Ditties
  • Member since: May. 12, 2005
  • Online!
Forum Stats
Member
Level 30
Blank Slate
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-12 07:19:09 Reply

At 11/12/16 05:25 AM, Dean wrote: Think I'm also going to have to get a copy of Return of the Living Dead at some point, just to see where that branch goes.

You definitely should. It's my favourite zombie film. It's mental.


Formerly TheMaster | PSN: Absurd-Ditties | Steam | Letterboxd

BBS Signature
Dean
Dean
  • Member since: Feb. 16, 2008
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Moderator
Level 52
Gamer
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-12 09:08:12 Reply

At 11/12/16 07:19 AM, TheMaster wrote: You definitely should. It's my favourite zombie film. It's mental.

Sold. Btw, have you seen any of those Herschell Gordon Lewis films you got recently? These Romero films have me wanting to see more stuff with cool practical effects, and those films seem ideal for that. I've only ever seen clips from his films in the past and it was probably a lot of the "best bits". Tempted to get the regular edition of that set as an early Christmas present to myself, but I'm hesitant because I know they're generally not thought of as great films. Just wondering if the effects are frequent enough to make those films watchable?


BBS Moderator - Feel free to send me a PM if you have a problem!

BBS Signature
Absurd-Ditties
Absurd-Ditties
  • Member since: May. 12, 2005
  • Online!
Forum Stats
Member
Level 30
Blank Slate
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-12 09:33:11 Reply

At 11/12/16 09:08 AM, Dean wrote: Sold. Btw, have you seen any of those Herschell Gordon Lewis films you got recently? These Romero films have me wanting to see more stuff with cool practical effects, and those films seem ideal for that. I've only ever seen clips from his films in the past and it was probably a lot of the "best bits". Tempted to get the regular edition of that set as an early Christmas present to myself, but I'm hesitant because I know they're generally not thought of as great films. Just wondering if the effects are frequent enough to make those films watchable?

I've been away from home since the day after the set arrived until yesterday, so not had a chance yet. Have a week off work now so hopefully I'll get around to if, if Dishonored 2 and Tyranny leave me any spare time.


Formerly TheMaster | PSN: Absurd-Ditties | Steam | Letterboxd

BBS Signature
Auz
Auz
  • Member since: Feb. 23, 2005
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Moderator
Level 60
Movie Buff
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-14 08:22:51 Reply

I watched Kôkaku Kidôtai (a.k.a. Ghost in the Shell).

Not sure if it was a good idea to watch this without knowing anything of the manga. I think I understood most of the plot correctly, but there are still many things that left me feeling as if I walked into the film halfway. For example, there is almost no backstory for any of the characters, and it seemed to me that the 'ghosts' concept was never properly explained.

That said, I can see that it is a good film. It tackles some very interesting themes that I imagine will become increasingly more relevant in the future. Furthermore, the backgrounds and animations are absolutely gorgeous, and the music is very atmospheric and hypnotising in a way.

So I liked it, but I wish I had read up on the background story before watching.


[Forum, Portal and Icon Mod]
Wi/Ht? #36 // Steam: Auz
The Top 100 Reviewers List (Last updated: 1 October 2017)

BBS Signature
Jackho
Jackho
  • Member since: Dec. 20, 2008
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Supporter
Level 36
Movie Buff
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-14 10:29:01 (edited 2016-11-14 10:37:17) Reply

At 11/14/16 08:22 AM, Auz wrote: So I liked it, but I wish I had read up on the background story before watching.

Nah, it's just a confusing and layered movie that requires multiple watches. I'd say the vast majority of GitS fans have never gone near the original manga.

For reference one of Mamoru Oshii's earlier films I've seen, Angel's Egg, is extremely densely packed with symbolism and while it's simplistic on the surface it's almost impossible to get the most out of it on just one watch. Same sort of thing.

Ghost in the Shell 2 is another example, it's only loosely based on the manga this time and Oshii originally just wanted to call it "Innocence", so as not to imply it would be a conventional sequel. It's absolutely ridiculous how dense and hard to understand Ghost in the Shell 2 is, it's one of the most challenging films I've ever seen. Imagine listening to two PhD's discuss their most complex theories in a field you have no knowledge of while also caught in a time loop, that's basically the middle chunk of Ghost in the Shell 2. Or just imagine being in a complex conversation about a book you've never heard of.

I'm inclined to say that Ghost in the Shell, the film, is a product of Mamoru Oshii's own style and the original manga won't be much help in deciphering it. From what I remember of the manga it's very action oriented, overly sexual (example, was just flicking through the physical copy I have. that's one of the few pages they put in colour) and trope heavy, not really the staggering work of sci fi you might be picturing, but it's only one volume long so hey maybe you'll get more out of it.

I haven't read Ghost in the Shell 2 but it focuses on Motoko after she merges with the puppet master so it might be more interesting (while the Ghost in the Shell 2 film doesn't have the Major in it at all and focuses on Batou).


BBS Signature
Auz
Auz
  • Member since: Feb. 23, 2005
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Moderator
Level 60
Movie Buff
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-14 12:57:22 Reply

At 11/14/16 10:29 AM, Jackho wrote:
At 11/14/16 08:22 AM, Auz wrote: So I liked it, but I wish I had read up on the background story before watching.
Nah, it's just a confusing and layered movie that requires multiple watches. I'd say the vast majority of GitS fans have never gone near the original manga.

For reference one of Mamoru Oshii's earlier films I've seen, Angel's Egg, is extremely densely packed with symbolism and while it's simplistic on the surface it's almost impossible to get the most out of it on just one watch. Same sort of thing.

Ghost in the Shell 2 is another example, it's only loosely based on the manga this time and Oshii originally just wanted to call it "Innocence", so as not to imply it would be a conventional sequel. It's absolutely ridiculous how dense and hard to understand Ghost in the Shell 2 is, it's one of the most challenging films I've ever seen. Imagine listening to two PhD's discuss their most complex theories in a field you have no knowledge of while also caught in a time loop, that's basically the middle chunk of Ghost in the Shell 2. Or just imagine being in a complex conversation about a book you've never heard of.

I'm inclined to say that Ghost in the Shell, the film, is a product of Mamoru Oshii's own style and the original manga won't be much help in deciphering it. From what I remember of the manga it's very action oriented, overly sexual (example, was just flicking through the physical copy I have. that's one of the few pages they put in colour) and trope heavy, not really the staggering work of sci fi you might be picturing, but it's only one volume long so hey maybe you'll get more out of it.

I haven't read Ghost in the Shell 2 but it focuses on Motoko after she merges with the puppet master so it might be more interesting (while the Ghost in the Shell 2 film doesn't have the Major in it at all and focuses on Batou).

I see. It's possible that I missed a few subtle plot points, but I don't know why it needed to be so confusing then. Sure, there's no need to spell everything out literally, but a few extra minutes to flesh out the characters some more and explain this 'ghost' thing would've helped a lot to bring the main ideas of the film across I think.

Anyway, thanks for clearing all that up. I'm kind of interested in watching Ghost in the Shell 2, despite of what you say :p


[Forum, Portal and Icon Mod]
Wi/Ht? #36 // Steam: Auz
The Top 100 Reviewers List (Last updated: 1 October 2017)

BBS Signature
Jackho
Jackho
  • Member since: Dec. 20, 2008
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Supporter
Level 36
Movie Buff
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-14 14:15:09 (edited 2016-11-14 14:27:40) Reply

At 11/14/16 12:57 PM, Auz wrote: I see. It's possible that I missed a few subtle plot points, but I don't know why it needed to be so confusing then. Sure, there's no need to spell everything out literally, but a few extra minutes to flesh out the characters some more and explain this 'ghost' thing would've helped a lot to bring the main ideas of the film across I think.

It's more rewarding this way. All of my favourite films have taken effort on my part to figure out.

The ghost concept is left intentionally vague I think, more food for thought. Oshii was a christian but lost his faith and seems to be way into philosophy, and that comes through in his best work. Is a ghost a soul or just a digitised consciousness? It doesn't seem to have religious connotations but distinctly separates cyborgs like the Major from purely manufactured robots. I think it's left for your own philosophy to fill in the blanks, rather than telling you how it is in this universe, if the concept of a soul has any validity and if humans are more than complex organic machines. It leaves the implications open ended.

The characters not being fleshed out I might agree with, but could also be intentional, and the important points still get across. Motoko has no memory of her real body and her current one is owned by the government, and later the puppetmaster's ability to implant memories pretty much destroys her identity, with neither the "ghost" nor the shell being truly hers anymore.

Her self actualisation only occurs at the very end, with Batou left in the dark. His confusion is what drives the sequel and takes us farther into Batou as a character than we ever got with the Major.

There's multiple GitS anime TV series that I haven't yet seen though and they probably go a lot deeper into this stuff, those are what recent fans are most familiar with.

Anyway, thanks for clearing all that up. I'm kind of interested in watching Ghost in the Shell 2, despite of what you say :p

Oh I think it's fantastic, massively underrated and better than the original. Just not a film I'd readily recommend to most people.

Also btw make sure it's Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence and not Ghost in the Shell 2.0, the latter is just a re-release of the first film with a different soundtrack and bad CG.


BBS Signature
SapphireLight
SapphireLight
  • Member since: Sep. 5, 2007
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 19
Artist
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-14 23:34:47 Reply

Arrival is pretty cool.


BBS Signature
Quisty
Quisty
  • Member since: Nov. 16, 2003
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Member
Level 18
Art Lover
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-16 15:41:24 Reply

Just stopping by...

I just saw Doctor Strange and I have to say it is some of the best visual effects I've seen ever really. I did IMAX 3D so that was cool, but gimmicky as always. The story is pretty simple, but it's a comic hero movie, so not much there. The cape is the best part heh and I can identify with the love story.

Suicide Squad has its extended cut out for digital download. Apparently it is so much better than the theatrical cut, so I guess give that a try for those who didn't like the movie.
New scene here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-TqAOmE_v4

I'll be seeing that new Harry Potter movie this Saturday, so I am hoping that it is good. I don't like some of the actors they picked, but what can you do?

XwaynecoltX
XwaynecoltX
  • Member since: Jan. 17, 2001
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Supporter
Level 54
Movie Buff
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-16 18:14:54 Reply

At 11/16/16 03:41 PM, Quisty wrote:
Suicide Squad has its extended cut out for digital download. Apparently it is so much better than the theatrical cut, so I guess give that a try for those who didn't like the movie.
New scene here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-TqAOmE_v4

yes this extended video is good, but for me it has a personal effect to it, I do like it though.

~X~

Oolaph
Oolaph
  • Member since: Oct. 22, 2009
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Supporter
Level 21
Musician
Response to Cinema Club 2016-11-24 01:07:29 Reply

Saw Moana today, it was easily my favorite Disney film since Beauty and the Beast. The characters were really strong, there were some fun and creative visuals strung throughout the film, and the music was memorable and served its purpose well.

Highlight was Jemaine Clement's song of course. Made me thirst for more Flight of the Conchords.


BBS Signature
Dean
Dean
  • Member since: Feb. 16, 2008
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Moderator
Level 52
Gamer
Response to Cinema Club 2016-12-04 07:26:34 Reply

Last night I watched both Diary of the Dead and Survival of the Dead. In terms of their ability to entertain me, they actually weren't anywhere near as bad as I was expecting. It's pretty rare that I'll sit down and watch two films in a row, but when I was done with Diary I was still in the mood for more and stuck Survival in.

I enjoyed Night, Dawn and Day considerably more than I enjoyed these, but it was nowhere close to being the unwatchable garbage so many people seemed to claim it would be. Same went for Land of the Dead, which I don't think I've posted about but did watch. I liked Land of the Dead more than Diary and Survival.

I'm no film critic, but as far as entertainment goes, I'm glad I gave these Romero films a chance.


BBS Moderator - Feel free to send me a PM if you have a problem!

BBS Signature
Dean
Dean
  • Member since: Feb. 16, 2008
  • Offline.
Forum Stats
Moderator
Level 52
Gamer
Response to Cinema Club 2016-12-12 11:29:10 Reply

Where has everyone gone? I used to get notifications that people had posted in here on an almost daily basis. Now I get nothing :(

Was debating rewatching the Star Wars original trilogy and then James Rolfe put up some videos about them which got me motivated. Only Return of the Jedi to go.

Still haven't seen the new Star Wars film, or the new Star Trek for that matter. Probably going to pick both of those up on Blu-ray at some point after Christmas.


BBS Moderator - Feel free to send me a PM if you have a problem!

BBS Signature