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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-17 16:16:14 Reply

At 7/17/12 04:00 PM, Kashi wrote:
I really don't know the difference between the black ones and the gray ones.
I have an Intuos4, so it may be different for those of you with Bamboos/Cintiqs/whatever, but I got a fany pen holder which unscrews to reveal the following"
5 Black nibs (like the one that originally comes in the pen)
3 Gray "Hard Felt" nibs (they have a higher friction than a standard nib
1 White & Black "Flex" nib (black with white tip; has a soft, pencil-like feel
1 White "Stroke" nib (provides a soft, brush-like feeling for the pen)
and a ring to take the nibs out of the pen.

Yeah thats the ones my buddy has. Perhaps I can talk him in to letting me play with the other nibs a bit.

My cheap one only has the hard plastic nibs.
I plan on upgrading one day, just gotta get the money

Not my actual tablet and pen, but mine is the same make and model.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-17 16:33:12 Reply

Woo! Tablet talk! You know the what's and the.... Oh wait. I don't have one. But honestly guys it really amazes me that you go through the team effort just to answer one question. This is really what the art forum should be, a place where people can ask about art related things and get good answers.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-17 16:47:08 Reply

At 7/17/12 04:33 PM, Fifty-50 wrote: Woo! Tablet talk! You know the what's and the.... Oh wait. I don't have one.

You know, these medion ones are not very expensive. Mine only cost me 50 USD.
It lacks some of the nicer features of a wacom, but it isn't much to compensate for.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-17 16:54:15 Reply

At 7/17/12 04:00 PM, Kashi wrote: Intuos4 pen holder unscrews to reveal the following:
5 Black nibs (like the one that originally comes in the pen)
3 Gray "Hard Felt" nibs (they have a higher friction than a standard nib
1 White & Black "Flex" nib (black with white tip; has a soft, pencil-like feel
1 White "Stroke" nib (provides a soft, brush-like feeling for the pen)
and a ring to take the nibs out of the pen.

I have the same. I prefer the standard nib, but probably just because it's what I'm used to. I have never replaced the nib in any tablet I have ever owned. Possibly because I usually break the pen prematurely somehow or another.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-17 17:10:35 Reply

At 7/17/12 04:00 PM, Kashi wrote: I have an Intuos4, so it may be different for those of you with Bamboos/Cintiqs/whatever, but I got a fany pen holder which unscrews to reveal the following"

My Wacom Bamboo Fun also has a pen holder, but when I unscrewed it. alas, there was naught inside.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-17 17:27:07 Reply

I have an Intuos 3, but I can't remember if the pen I got in the box had replacement nibs or not. I recently had to buy a replacement one, and that one came with like 7 replacement nibs. I've never messed up a nib ever, so 7 seems like a ton to me.

In regards to the other conversation going on, I think you're getting too hung up on the Hiryu/Shad thing. I honestly don't give a shit about attitudes and if either of them are talented or not. I was just using them as an example to bring up why anatomy seems to be leaned on so heavily around here as a basis for why a piece is good or not. It's very rare in a crit (outside of something like figure drawing) that a piece is looked at a successful work because it has proper anatomy. It can be a factor as to why it is good, or not as good as it could be. I really just feel like basic anatomy is just that, pretty basic and easy to learn. Get the basics down and move on to more important things like style, composition, meaning, and narrative.

Just seems like a trend that every time a new user or someone pops up that's drawing something remotely human, they're either obsessed with perfecting anatomy, or the first thing suggested to them is that they should practice anatomy. I want to start telling people fuck anatomy and just go nuts.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-17 17:45:32 Reply

At 7/17/12 10:31 AM, CypressDahlia wrote: Aigis, you are particularly hard on people to learn the fundamentals.

I am?

That'd be kind of hypocritical of me, wouldn't it?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-17 18:42:39 Reply

At 7/17/12 05:45 PM, Aigis wrote:
At 7/17/12 10:31 AM, CypressDahlia wrote: Aigis, you are particularly hard on people to learn the fundamentals.
I am?

That'd be kind of hypocritical of me, wouldn't it?

nah you're just more straight forward than most and i appreciate that.
With the tablet thing, I've never run out of pen nibs in the last 7 years, each tablet comes with so many nibs and i think I replace mine once per tablet(which has a life cycle of 2-3 years usually). I really dont think wacom wants to make money off their nibs, if you ever lose a wacom pen for an older model though.... oh boy are you gonna have fun tracking down and paying 1/4 the price of a full tablet for it... wacom feels a lot like apple with the way they treat their old models like they never existed

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-17 19:40:36 Reply

so its just me going through these like its no-ones business, oh well they're disposable, there's still plenty of oil left in the sea to make plastic, I should be fine until underage Chinese factory workers learn to unionize.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-18 17:15:19 Reply

At 7/17/12 04:54 PM, Sockembop wrote: I have the same. I prefer the standard nib, but probably just because it's what I'm used to.
At 7/17/12 04:16 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: Yeah thats the ones my buddy has. Perhaps I can talk him in to letting me play with the other nibs a bit.

Yeah, I've been playing around with the nibs today, and I gotta say, I really like the black and white flex nib. It draws smooth and feels a lot softer on the tablet. Feels like a dull pencil on paper, almost.

I used the stroke/brush nib too, and it was a really different feel because of the spring on it, but it didn't really interest me. Plus, I don't know if it was my fault, but I couldn't get it to stick in the pen. It didn't slide out, but I could pull it out of the pen with my fingers using minimal effort.

The hard felt nib just gave you a little more friction/grip on the tablet.

I think I'm gonna use either the hard felt or flex nibs from now on, since they seem to be a little easier on the tablet, instead of the normal plastic nibs that can get those hard edges on them if you're not careful.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-19 15:06:34 Reply

sorry I've kinda barged into the art portal again.. I come here like.. once in a blue moon.. talk for a bit.. and then retreat to internet oblivion hehe.. just showcasing some of my stuff atm..

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-19 15:49:55 Reply

Well, i'm glad to know I can stuff about anything in my wacom pen. I wouldn't know what to do when the tip eroded away. And by the way, fify-50, you can buy a tablet fairly cheap from ebay and such. Mine only cost 50 dollars and it works like a charm.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-20 10:47:12 Reply

At 7/20/12 06:23 AM, BilalZ wrote: this was funny.

That actually gives me an idea for an activity thread. Start off with an image and each post afterwards adds something to it, just need to call dibs on the next post so we don't have five people posting something on the same image. Then, after say 15-20 posts, reset to a new image.

What do you guy's think about that?

The thread would probably be ravaged by dick jokes though.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-20 11:22:07 Reply

At 7/20/12 10:47 AM, XWarrior61 wrote: That actually gives me an idea for an activity thread.
What do you guy's think about that?

popcorn?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-20 11:31:29 Reply

At 7/20/12 11:22 AM, J-qb wrote: popcorn?

Oh man, I remember that. That was, what, a year or two ago?

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-20 14:24:36 Reply

Between there, yeah.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-20 14:45:18 Reply

At 7/20/12 02:24 PM, M-Vero wrote: Between there, yeah.

You should make a thread for this idea.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-20 14:59:07 Reply

Could be fun, it would make for an interesting art portal submission if possible

At 7/20/12 10:47 AM, XWarrior61 wrote:
At 7/20/12 06:23 AM, BilalZ wrote: this was funny.
That actually gives me an idea for an activity thread..

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-21 18:27:59 Reply

here's a wild idea:
If you don't want to help someone if he's not offering payment; just don't help him. There is no need to get all butthurt over someone asking something.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-21 19:27:11 Reply

At 7/21/12 06:27 PM, J-qb wrote: If you don't want to help someone if he's not offering payment; just don't help him. There is no need to get all butthurt over someone asking something.

All I did was offer a reasoning behind Sock's post. I didn't get aggressive or whiny, just provided an explanation.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-21 19:47:48 Reply

something interesting for your general entertainment

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-21 20:26:42 Reply

At 7/21/12 07:47 PM, Ashman wrote: something interesting for your general entertainment

While the coloring and shading is impressive, the anatomy isn't right and gives it away. They look like video game characters rather than photographs of real people.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-21 20:28:46 Reply

At 7/21/12 08:26 PM, PatBest22 wrote:
At 7/21/12 07:47 PM, Ashman wrote: something interesting for your general entertainment
While the coloring and shading is impressive, the anatomy isn't right and gives it away. They look like video game characters rather than photographs of real people.

Once again I wish for an edit post button on these forums. I meant the say the anatomy is good but there are small details that don't seem right, exaggerated traits or flaws.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-21 21:35:51 Reply

At 7/21/12 08:28 PM, PatBest22 wrote:
While the coloring and shading is impressive, the anatomy isn't right and gives it away. They look like video game characters rather than photographs of real people.
Once again I wish for an edit post button on these forums. I meant the say the anatomy is good but there are small details that don't seem right, exaggerated traits or flaws.

The only part that gives it away imo are the paint strokes, and the way the hair is done.
Neither of which I disapprove of.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-21 22:02:41 Reply

At 7/21/12 07:47 PM, Ashman wrote: something interesting for your general entertainment

gorgeous!

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-21 23:48:19 Reply

At 7/21/12 07:47 PM, Ashman wrote: something interesting for your general entertainment

One thing ive noticed about hyper realists, is that they all seem to paint HUGE. My own stuff is pretty large by most standards (7 feet about) but the bulk of my canvas is blank space, and my figures are life size, so they aren't really nearly as large as these guys (these guys being chuck close, the guy in the link, gottfried helnwein, etc.) And having never seen a hyper realist piece in person, I wonder how well they hold up.

A lot of what makes these pieces look so damn sexy all the time is that when you take such a large image, have uber details, and then shrink it down to a viewable size on a computer screen, everything looks extra detailed and pretty. I can imagine that in person if you arent across the room from them they might not have nearly the same effect.

Maybe my next project should just be a giant close up and see if that is at all beneficial to my quest towards better realism.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-21 23:57:54 Reply

At 7/21/12 11:48 PM, ornery wrote: Maybe my next project should just be a giant close up and see if that is at all beneficial to my quest towards better realism.

If you do please show progress shots :O

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-21 23:59:42 Reply

At 7/21/12 07:47 PM, Ashman wrote: something interesting for your general entertainment

What's interesting about those is that while they look like photos, they also look like really boring photos. Like what I'd expect to see on the average Flickr account.

You've got the skills, Kamalky Laureano, now let's see you do something interesting with them.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-22 00:04:48 Reply

At 7/21/12 11:48 PM, ornery wrote: And having never seen a hyper realist piece in person, I wonder how well they hold up.

Well done hyper realist work does still look good in person. I've seen a few of Chuck Close's realistic pieces (not the simpler ones that just look realistic from a distance, although I've seen those to and are much cooler than his hyper realistic work), and they are truly stunning up close. To me, how the piece looks up close is what differentiates between good HR work and just alright HR work. There are a few kids in my school that are pushing towards HR, but their work tends to look very good from a distance, but kind of fuzzy right up close. Getting a good sharpness isn't easy.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-07-22 00:15:48 Reply

I know I'm off topic here but I just wanted to test out NG on my iPhone. Other than being unable to watch movies or play games, it's not too shabby. I can post in the forums, listen to the audio portal, view art and even vote on submissions. Can't download songs or upload pictures though.