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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 05:53:33 Reply

(I'm going to trim some of your post down, sorry J)

At 5/12/12 02:38 AM, J-qb wrote: I think all the people complaining about reviews should reconsider why they give reviews in the first place:
a: you want to be recognized for your reviews,
b: you want to give good reviews, OR
c: you actually want to help people.

I don't think the people complaining actually have any problem dishing out reviews, since they go by the three steps you mentioned. I reckon people more often than not are lazy, and on NG it's a lot easier to drop a 0-5 vote (and review if you want to follow a-c), than to drop a shallow comment.

However, one of the fuels for being an artist is that you're looking for praise from the audience - you put work into it, you like it, and you want to be recognised for it. It becomes a problem when this driver also makes you choose to be ignorant (and occasionally react badly), which is my problem with the FateLogic stuff. For two reasons:
1) Constructive feedback is dismissed as trolling. What the fuck.
2) It's M and A, which people vote highly on due to the content, and only serves to reinforce the artist's view that they're hot-shit.

We were trawling through the popular art section yesterday, and it's hugely annoying that of the first 24 only 2
are not T&A thumbnails - because they're FP'd. It's this kind of popularity that only encourages people to pump out the same ol' stuff for the masses, rather than give them reason to tighten up and improve their work.

At 5/12/12 01:51 AM, Template88 wrote: I am being harsh but FateLogic embodies everything that is wrong with art today and I wish whoever scouted him a horrible death.

There's two sides to this: yes, his work only just scraping the scout/prune threshold for me, but the work also develops an appreciative audience, to which I don't belong.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 06:01:33 Reply

Turkey if only I was as eloquent as you are~
However, as Aigis says, I am a dick. I freely admit it.
But you know what, that is ok because that is who I am.
We should all be ourselves. Lets all be ourselves.

As long as we don't break the rules of course~

Friendship.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 08:39:38 Reply

definitely some poeple

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 09:16:51 Reply

TBH, I'm not so much bothered by his responses as I am by how his attitude reflects on his skill level, and what impressions his skill level leaves on the entire portal. Considering I was constantly bagged on for being a manga artist, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth to see someone do such a disservice to the genre and be completely okay with that just because he helps some kids pitch tents with poorly drawn pornography. Especially in the case where, as ToS mentioned, the Art Portal is inundated by similar work of similarly low quality.

His responses are dumb, but his mentality and the implications of his work are what's bothersome. I almost expected him to react negatively, based on the caliber of the reviews he normally receives ("wow" and "her ass is BIG that's a plus"). He's probably not used to people telling him his work is bad. And he's not looking to improve, either, only expecting to.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 10:12:15 Reply

At 5/12/12 08:39 AM, J-qb wrote: definitely some poeple

Jesus Christ Jasper, what are you? The fucking white knight?
When I leave reviews, I want to help people and I want to see them improve, so if the person just calls me out as a troll and completely ignores my advice, yeah, that pisses me the hell off, as I believe it does everyone else.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 13:18:15 Reply

At 5/12/12 10:12 AM, big-jonny-13 wrote: Jesus Christ Jasper, what are you? The fucking white knight?

shit, you found me out.

When I leave reviews, I want to help people and I want to see them improve, so if the person just calls me out as a troll and completely ignores my advice, yeah, that pisses me the hell off, ...

Don't get me wrong, I understand and (partly) share your frustration, I just think that it's misdirected. I also think that complaining about it in the lounge or in extra reviews is not just unproductive, it makes for a bad atmosphere.

....as I believe it does everyone else.

I wouldn't say that "pisses me the hell off" so if that's your definition of a white knight, yeah I guess I'm it.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 14:20:02 Reply

Speaking of reviews, there's a site where the artists live stream their work and critique (including paint-overs) of viewers art. It's happening now at Awesome Horse Studios ...current image is a nude, so NSFW.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 14:35:54 Reply

At 5/12/12 02:20 PM, ReNaeNae wrote: Speaking of reviews, there's a site where the artists live stream their work and critique (including paint-overs) of viewers art. It's happening now at Awesome Horse Studios ...current image is a nude, so NSFW.

PS - Awseome Horse Studios is an awesome stream to watch every Saturday (and Wednesday now too) for two hours. Four freelancers, all at a professional level (here's one's portfolio) talking about arts, providing critiques and answering viewer questions.

Do keep an eye on them.

Also, I don't know what you saw a few minutes ago, but it looks clean to me. Perhaps they just finished a paintover...

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 16:04:13 Reply

Hey guys, im going to be getting paid from my first freelance gig pretty soon and i wanted to invest into a new laptop. Would any of you want to shoot me some specific recommendations for specs, brands, or features that i would want to look for to optimize my computer for artistic functions? (scanning, printing, running high end adobe software, using a tablet, rendering etc.)

Im getting paid a thousand dollars, but would like to split that down the middle having 500 for a laptop and 500 for a new tablet.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 16:19:46 Reply

At 5/12/12 04:04 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote: Im getting paid a thousand dollars, but would like to split that down the middle having 500 for a laptop and 500 for a new tablet.

Congrats on the job!
I'd seriously recommend getting a pc instead of a laptop if making art is the only concern. 500 is not gonna get you a very good laptop, then again; if you're only using mspaint that might not be a problem... although you wouldn't need to spend 500 on a tablet then either.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 16:25:58 Reply

At 5/12/12 04:19 PM, J-qb wrote: if you're only using mspaint that might not be a problem...
At 5/12/12 04:04 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote: scanning, printing, running high end adobe software, using a tablet, rendering etc.

I didn't know MS Paint was part of Adobe's high-end software line.

But the suggestion for a desktop is a sound one, even if it is for the screen. Laptops screens are not always quite as good for art as a desktop computer's.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 17:07:20 Reply

Gonna go with with jqb on this one, get a pc over a laptop. Even if money wasn't an option, you're going to be spending more money on an inferior product. You can't upgade a laptop easily, and all parts for one are more expensive for less power. Unless you absolutely need the portability.
I'd also like to question why you're shelling out 500 for a tablet. Because 500 isn't gonna get you a very powerful pc for art, theres gonna be a lot of slow down, and on bigger canvases shit'll slow down to a chug.
I'd say go 800 on a decent comp and 200 for a small intuos, the size of a tablet really isnt that big of a deal. If you're gonna go big, save up for a cintique.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 17:21:24 Reply

I plan on eventually building a high end PC for all the crazy shit once i get more money, the portability is in fact, a dire need right now. My living condition is very sketchy and im always moving from place to place.
What im already considering is a Intuos touch and a Samsung Series 3 . Nothing crazy, but something to get me by until i have a dorm and have a place to actually stick a desktop.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 17:33:09 Reply

I'd also recommend a desktop. I got myself a super 2000$ gaming computer for christmas and ends up I'm eventually going to need to upgrade it for higher quality work and better programs even though I haven't run into a single game that can bring it's processing power over 40%

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 21:11:27 Reply

The biggest problem with the computer you linked is that the processor is garbage.
It is going to be pretty tedious to work in photoshop, let alone anything that eats up more processor power. Moving a desktop really isnt that much of a hassle, it's just slightly heavier, most computers are no more than 15 lbs with modern tech. Unless when you say moving around alot, you mean by foot in the dead of night, it really shouldn't be an issue.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 21:23:10 Reply

At 5/12/12 09:11 PM, M-Vero wrote: Unless when you say moving around alot, you mean by foot in the dead of night, it really shouldn't be an issue.

You would be surprised......

Plus the place i do my work from now isnt where im living, its like a 24 hour internet cafe that im in and out of alot so it basically HAS to be a laptop at the moment. So basically, whatever can run photoshop and not...crash. If it means ill be lagging a bit here and there then i suppose ill have to deal with that. Ive been running flash and paint.net on a Dell Vostro 1000 with vista installed for about 4 months now. Look it up, that will kind of explain exactly how patient of a person i am.

But like someone said earlier, i do most of my work on MS Paint anyways so im not in dire need of a "Rig" for a while, although i am going to invest into a over the top desktop once i start school because ill be taking a photoshop class.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 23:43:54 Reply

If your work is mostly in ms-paint, I would get an iPad to be honest. The touchscreen is great for drawing (I've tested that myself), and it's a pretty powerful and mobile piece of equipment for the price.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-13 00:59:44 Reply

The computer you mentioned is more powerful than the one you're getting.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-13 01:07:28 Reply

At 5/13/12 12:59 AM, M-Vero wrote: The computer you mentioned is more powerful than the one you're getting.

Less powerful*
I am not on the ball today.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-13 01:15:17 Reply

Triple post for great financial justice.
This computer is stronger than both of your current computers combined, and 150 dollars cheaper. Name brand can suck it.
Don't know about the graphics card though, but if you're using a computer that old and only in ms paint it should be a problem.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-13 01:24:03 Reply

At 5/13/12 01:15 AM, M-Vero wrote: Triple post for great financial justice.
This computer is stronger than both of your current computers combined, and 150 dollars cheaper. Name brand can suck it.
Don't know about the graphics card though, but if you're using a computer that old and only in ms paint it should be a problem.

He said he wouldn't be using MS paint, but high-end adobe programs.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-13 01:25:36 Reply

At 5/13/12 01:24 AM, PatBest22 wrote:
At 5/13/12 01:15 AM, M-Vero wrote: Triple post for great financial justice.
This computer is stronger than both of your current computers combined, and 150 dollars cheaper. Name brand can suck it.
Don't know about the graphics card though, but if you're using a computer that old and only in ms paint it should be a problem.
He said he wouldn't be using MS paint, but high-end adobe programs.

This forum needs an edit post option...
I'm no tech expert, but from what I understand, when dealing with high quality work, it's the processor that needs power, more so than the graphics card.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-13 01:42:18 Reply

At 5/13/12 01:15 AM, M-Vero wrote: Triple post for great financial justice.
This computer is stronger than both of your current computers combined, and 150 dollars cheaper. Name brand can suck it.
Don't know about the graphics card though, but if you're using a computer that old and only in ms paint it should be a problem.

Huh. I took a look at that, saw the processor and its really low clock rate and thought: "That doesn't sound very powerful". But apparently its processor can boost itself to be more powerful than the one in the Samsung.

...I don't like how hard it is to tell which piece of hardware is better these days.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-13 02:09:15 Reply

At 5/13/12 01:25 AM, PatBest22 wrote: I'm no tech expert, but from what I understand, when dealing with high quality work, it's the processor that needs power, more so than the graphics card.

Graphics cards basically take over the rendering job for the processor leaving the processor free to take on other tasks. So as long as the card is got better stats than the onboard graphics, then you'll see a bit of a boost of speed. Also graphics cards can give you much more control over your monitor including everything from multiple screens (if supported) to color depth and out put.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-13 02:19:29 Reply

At 5/13/12 02:09 AM, Kinsei01 wrote:
Graphics cards basically take over the rendering job for the processor leaving the processor free to take on other tasks. So as long as the card is got better stats than the onboard graphics, then you'll see a bit of a boost of speed. Also graphics cards can give you much more control over your monitor including everything from multiple screens (if supported) to color depth and out put.

I see, so I was wrong. Good thing I have both a good processor and graphics card then.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-13 02:24:22 Reply

At 5/13/12 02:19 AM, PatBest22 wrote: Good thing I have both a good processor and graphics card then.

I used to have a really good graphics card which made up for my shitty processor, but when my motherboard tanked last year, it took my graphics card with it


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-13 04:49:49 Reply

You typically don't want to overclock your processor, let alone on something that you'd be doing regularly

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-14 13:15:46 Reply

When can we expect M&A Fridays to start taking place? I hope that wasn't a joke.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-17 11:12:44 Reply

At 5/17/12 11:09 AM, BilalZ wrote: this is the coolest thing iv'e watched all month, great expressions, animation style and humour, i haven't watched the avengers yet but this is totally better.
Disassembled

Lulz in the Marvel universe, pretty smooth, very entertaining.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-17 15:48:17 Reply

Hey guys. I haven't been here for a while. I think I might have left behind some obligations here, for that I apologize. I really am. I got accepted into that university I wanted to go to and decided to take arts as my major. (bad idea?) I pretty much been hung up on real life these past few days or months.

So yeah hey guys. Here's a drawing to me coming back. (I'm still tabletless btw) I guess I'm still stuck drawing with a bar of soap.

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