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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-08 10:01:14 Reply

At 10/8/10 08:15 AM, J-qb wrote:
At 10/8/10 05:23 AM, WaterShake wrote: ..However, when I told Schwarts about the techniques that Warhol used and the craftsmanship that went into his work he became slightly less dismissive. By the end of the conversation he even seemed willing to acknowledge that perhaps Warhol had made some valuable contributions to the film industry.
This particular section strikes me as weird because you appear to value Warholl`s work for what it represents or for the reactions it provokes (and what it shows by doing so), but then you try to convince someone of the worth of his contributions by stressing the craftmanship and technique. That seems to me a dead contradiction.

I don't think it's a contradiction at all. The values would have to be conflicting for it to be a contradiction, they're not. I appreciate Warhol's work both for the technique and it's subject matter. Although I do find the subject matter more interesting.

However, in the conversation I had with Schwarts, we were talking solely about Warhol's film career. I'd already expressed my thoughts on the subject matter of Warhol's films and the value that I think they held, but Schwarts rejected any of this, claiming that they were superficial. Thus, I decided to approach the conversation from a different angle, and talked about Warhol's technique.

Furthermore, I find the techniques he used in film more interesting than those he used in print.


This print for instance, is basically a blow up of a dollar bill. Art critics of the time attacked the work, claiming it to be crass, clumsy and consumerist. I don't think it was any of those things.
I think you misapprehend Warhol when you say the piece wasnt consumerist.

While he might very well have aimed to get exactly the reactions you describe, I also think you should acknowledge Warhol`s embrace of consumerism (or perhaps hedonism); requoting from that wiki you linked: "Everything's plastic, but I love plastic".
I think Warhol was more fixated with fame than fortune. He depicted famous objects we see in everyday life. I agree that Warhol's work and statements do seem to advocate consumerism on a basic level. But a dollar bill is a dollar bill is dollar bill.

Another interesting quote from Warhol's wiki:

"What's great about this country is that America started the tradition where the richest consumers buy essentially the same things as the poorest. You can be watching TV and see Coca-Cola, and you know that the President drinks Coca-Cola, Liz Taylor drinks Coca-Cola, and just think, you can drink Coca-Cola, too. A Coke is a Coke and no amount of money can get you a better coke than the one the bum on the corner is drinking. All the cokes are the same and all the cokes are good. Liz Taylor knows it, the President knows it, the bum knows it, and you know it"

I also think it's worht bearing in mind that Warhol was well known for "playing dumb" with media; in any conversation about Warhol. When questioned about his work he would say "it is what it is" or "yeah ok". I sometimes think that perhaps Warhol was more of a persona an actual person. After his death, immense and immersive accounts of his work were found within his personal journals. People were understandably confused, "why would he hide this from us?"

What I think you are doing is projecting your own thoughts/apprehensions of american society (in the 60s) not unlike "those silly oblivious americans".

I think it's relatively irrefutable that modern American culture is founded upon capitalism. The same is true for most developed nations now. Once money assumes power, it's hard to usurp. Americans are not unique in this respect, I don't think them "silly" or "oblivious". I talked about Americans because his work was most famous within America and I used the word "oblivious" because I think it adequately describes his critics of the time. Read into "Americans" as you will, I don't think the word has a negative value.

Personally, while I value his influence on modern art and design, I dont particularly enjoy his work. I see the worth of Warholl not so much in his single pieces, but more in the turn in the art world he was a part of (and very possibly caused), Warhol was a representation of the 60s spirit that disregarded the old "rules", and the fact that he worked with various media and had a central role in his community made him the perfect man to embody that spirit in the art world. The image we have today of modern art stems quite sharply from Warhol`s work. And indeed the circle of artists he gathered around him in the factory have ensured that his influence has spread to a great many artists, and is and will be of importance today and tomorrow.

I agree with this in-toto. I think the culture of Warhol was equally if not more so influential than his actual work. If Warhol's work were to be produced today, in the current art world. I don't think the impact would have been nearly as dramatic or controversial.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-08 14:33:07 Reply

My mystery box is the Taiwan package.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-08 21:48:41 Reply

Hey guys! May I ask what you are discussing? I'm too lazy reading through your long posts.

BTW, I got a Front Page! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-08 21:55:50 Reply

At 10/8/10 09:48 PM, Fifty-50 wrote: Hey guys! May I ask what you are discussing? I'm too lazy reading through your long posts.
BTW, I got a Front Page! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

congrats! it looks awesome!
also yeah, @ above people: tl;dr.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-08 21:58:33 Reply

At 10/8/10 09:55 PM, Kakashi1930 wrote: congrats! it looks awesome!
also yeah, @ above people: tl;dr.

Thanks Kashi! Is the forum always so serious these days?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-08 22:57:45 Reply

At 10/8/10 02:33 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote: My mystery box is the Taiwan package.

I gots yer Taiwan package right here buddy! *clutches crotch, pelvic thrusts*


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-08 23:13:26 Reply

At 10/8/10 09:58 PM, Fifty-50 wrote:
At 10/8/10 09:55 PM, Kakashi1930 wrote: congrats! it looks awesome!
also yeah, @ above people: tl;dr.
Thanks Kashi! Is the forum always so serious these days?

What's wrong about seriousness exactly, It wouldn't be as sincere say if you were not keeping a straight face.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-08 23:23:07 Reply

HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT ME.
I want a camera for art projects and hanging out with people and stuff.
I kind of want an SLR, but they're very expensive, and I'm just in school with no job at the moment, so 1000 to 7000 dollars is kind of out of my range.
I was looking at this one:

Here is the camera.

Is this a generally good choice for the cost? Anyone else have this/something like it?

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-09 00:36:42 Reply

At 10/8/10 10:57 PM, Vousielle wrote:
At 10/8/10 02:33 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote: My mystery box is the Taiwan package.
I gots yer Taiwan package right here buddy! *clutches crotch, pelvic thrusts*

Hold it for me mate.
My birthday is coming up soon ;)

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 11:55:45 Reply

Wow, the lounge has been stale for over 2 days....

Also,
HAPPY CANADIAN THANKSGIVING!!!!

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 12:26:39 Reply

level +1, stat whore impulses are kicking in

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 13:47:59 Reply

How do you remove people's review from artworks? If you look at my page art and view the comments I got on my "Mickey vs Me" fanart. You'll see unhelpful, very negative reviews. I know they can be removed since, mine have from others art and flashes.

I truly believe these guys just spammed my art with 0s till I was unscouted. Now I know my artwork is definitely not the greatest, but I think it's unfair that people can do that. Or is there a way to block these people so they can't review and 0 spam me off the boards again if I get rescouted.

I didn't know where to post this.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 14:11:12 Reply

is anyone good at drawing some pretty cool stick figures?? if so hit me up

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 14:15:36 Reply

At 10/11/10 02:11 PM, TheDCFoxCrew wrote: is anyone good at drawing some pretty cool stick figures?? if so hit me up

you have a thread, no need to spam it everywhere, if you must post everywhere, try here

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 15:01:11 Reply

At 10/11/10 11:55 AM, big-jonny-13 wrote: Wow, the lounge has been stale for over 2 days....

Also,
HAPPY CANADIAN THANKSGIVING!!!!

Happy Canadian Thanksgiving Johnny! How would I celebrate this day if I was canadian? Tell me...

Also Ash, can you draw me a stick figure, pleez? Or can you explain to me? Are the legs attached to the head or the other way around? :P

At 10/11/10 01:47 PM, Ryajin-Geki wrote: How do you remove people's review from artworks?

You can't remove them yourself. If they are abusive you can flag them and if enough users flag them, they may get removed. You can not stop them from reviewing further submissions though.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 15:21:09 Reply

At 10/11/10 01:47 PM, Ryajin-Geki wrote: I didn't know where to post this.

That's because we don't encourage people to post this stuff in the forums. You should pm a review mod (listed in the help/faq section, ornery is your best bet). But since we're here... right now I can't delete them... need more people to flag 'em.

Not sure about your scouting situation. If it happened recently, it was probably because the person that scouted you or someone above them got cut. If it happened a while ago... it's been too long to look it up. Sorry :P

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 15:21:50 Reply

Maybe a bit more effort in the logo champ?

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 15:23:27 Reply

At 10/11/10 03:14 PM, Alisbet wrote: I have a great art contest in mind.

That's brilliant! Wish I'd thought of it!

Good luck!

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 15:25:07 Reply

At 10/11/10 03:14 PM, Alisbet wrote: When creating the thumbnail of your drawing, remember to crop the image so that it shows the Draw This logo in the thumbnail. Here is an image of what the logo looks like. Because it is a rough sketch, it might look different to what you see here in the actual submissions.

1. what does that even say
2. also, been done

and we have the weekly contests, chows cow etc, which are voted on by the community, having one person choosing a winner may be a bit biased

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 15:52:59 Reply

At 10/11/10 03:21 PM, ReNaeNae wrote:
At 10/11/10 01:47 PM, Ryajin-Geki wrote: I didn't know where to post this.
That's because we don't encourage people to post this stuff in the forums. You should pm a review mod (listed in the help/faq section, ornery is your best bet). But since we're here... right now I can't delete them... need more people to flag 'em.

Not sure about your scouting situation. If it happened recently, it was probably because the person that scouted you or someone above them got cut. If it happened a while ago... it's been too long to look it up. Sorry :P

Yeah sorry about that! It happened I believe just before summer. The person who scouted me is still on the art portal thankfully. But I messaged Ornery thank you the help though. I love you guys :3

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 16:00:16 Reply

At 10/11/10 03:44 PM, Alisbet wrote: This is a little different than that Flood the Portal Fridays stuff. Also, I suppose I can make it so that the winner of the previous week gets the honour of choosing the next winner as well as the next theme. How does that sound?

having 1 person picking a winner would still cause problems, just do it as a mass vote like the other weeklies, if you actually get around to doing it

on a completely unrelated note, its manhunt time, zombie-eskimo, you know what you did

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 17:02:36 Reply

At 10/11/10 03:14 PM, Alisbet wrote: Every Saturday, I will review the submitted drawings and the one that impresses me the most is the winner and when Sunday rolls around, you can suggest me ideas for the next weeks theme.

oh i get it

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 17:18:58 Reply

At 10/11/10 04:00 PM, Ashman wrote:

on a completely unrelated note, its manhunt time, zombie-eskimo, you know what you did

You have unleashed pandora's wrath upon the art portal. Why, why?


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 17:21:51 Reply

At 10/11/10 05:02 PM, PigeonOnAStick wrote: oh i get it

You cheeky monkey!!

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 18:38:45 Reply

I went to the dentist and got the best two fillings I've ever gotten. No odd feelings or dull pains.

Then I went home and tried to drink some root beer after a couple of hours.

The right side of my mouth failed to respond and I spit root beer all over myself.

Fucking Novocaine.


I have nothing to say that is at all relevant.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 18:40:32 Reply

At 10/11/10 06:38 PM, Felis wrote: I went to the dentist and got the best two fillings I've ever gotten. No odd feelings or dull pains.

Then I went home and tried to drink some root beer after a couple of hours.

The right side of my mouth failed to respond and I spit root beer all over myself.

Fucking Novocaine.

wow that sucks, but you know that could be an awesome picture if you drew yourself in cartoon form doing that. Or if you don't mind I'll draw it :D For the Lawlz

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 18:43:26 Reply

At 10/11/10 06:38 PM, Felis wrote: I went to the dentist and got the best two fillings I've ever gotten. No odd feelings or dull pains.

Then I went home and tried to drink some root beer after a couple of hours.

The right side of my mouth failed to respond and I spit root beer all over myself.

Fucking Novocaine.

no...
ROOT BEER SUCKS!
cmon! who thought of making beer out of the root of a plant in the first place? Theres a reason why they hide them under the ground yaknow?!?!

gosh!


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 22:28:30 Reply

Can I get some opinions on this at the moment? Should I add some smoke to the volcanoes or add more light since they are at the peak of their eruptions. Also how does the flying debris look thus far? Any suggestions on those? The lava looks good to me but open to suggestions.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 22:47:40 Reply

At 10/11/10 10:28 PM, Ryajin-Geki wrote: Can I get some opinions on this at the moment? Should I add some smoke to the volcanoes or add more light since they are at the peak of their eruptions. Also how does the flying debris look thus far? Any suggestions on those? The lava looks good to me but open to suggestions.

Your volcanoes need more orange. And yes, I think you should add smoke to make the scene even more dramatic. That's all I can say.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2010-10-11 23:07:21 Reply

Have you guys ever gotten into a niche where you just can't draw? Im kinda stuck in one right now. I try to draw something, and it just won't come out. I'll try to draw a portrait, or a still life, or anything, for that matter. Its incredibly frustrating and upsetting. How do you get out of this?


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