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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-04 12:23:44 Reply

At 12/4/07 11:46 AM, pepeatumi wrote: And another WWE related question... Am I the only one who thinks that Vince will end up naimg himself as RAW's greatest superstar?

yeah probably. But if he does there is a good chance that he'll get beat up like Steph didn't want. I saw Bret Hart's image for next week so that will be interesting to see. Wonder if he'll get a word in.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-04 12:39:14 Reply

Yea as soon as I saw the "raws greatest superstar" thing I just went out loud "Its gonna be Vince then hes gonna get stomped"

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-04 13:23:25 Reply

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-04 15:02:21 Reply

At 12/4/07 12:39 PM, PantyWipe wrote: Yea as soon as I saw the "raws greatest superstar" thing I just went out loud "Its gonna be Vince then hes gonna get stomped"

It's so obvious it's criminal. It makes you hope Vince realizes this is what everyone expects, so they go a different direction and prove they CAN give you an interesting hook. But this is the company that hyped Jericho so hard, too long, and now he's like just another guy in two weeks.

Why Hogan? Why do you want him at this point? Hogan's drawing ability is long gone, and with everything going on with his family now...nobody cares. These people just come off as utter sleaze, and WWE should really be smarter then to use them at this point. The only thing that would make this even a little ok was if USA demanded it, but I dunno.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-04 15:28:50 Reply

At 12/4/07 03:02 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Why Hogan? Why do you want him at this point? Hogan's drawing ability is long gone, and with everything going on with his family now...nobody cares. These people just come off as utter sleaze, and WWE should really be smarter then to use them at this point. The only thing that would make this even a little ok was if USA demanded it, but I dunno.

Why Hogan? Good question...because the little kids LOVE HIM as much as the BCS voters love LSU and Miles. Can't you see the kids having all kinds of orgasms (no kidding) when Hogan finishes of a heel with the LEG DROP?
P.S: I am pretty sure that even I can kick of the leg drop. I mean, after all, it is just a LEG DROP. (lamest finisher ever)


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-04 17:31:11 Reply

Nice shots, wwwyzzerdd! Especially the Shawn Michaels intro one. ^_^

Also, Thanks, Red, for the heads-up on Turning Point, but I'm still curious on 2 things: (1) What exactly did Samoa Joe say, & (2) WHY THE HELL WAS SCOTT HALL A NO-SHOW!? Eric Young's an okay replacement, but still.

At 12/4/07 10:08 AM, pepeatumi wrote: And is anyone surprised that Hogan is scheduled to be on RAW next week?

After all that's happened to the por guy, yes I am. o_O

Better question, is anyone surprised at the lack of reaction that Hogan's name got when Vince mentioned him?

Like I said, poor guy. IT'S HIS DAMN WIFE'S FAULT, NOT HIS!!!!! >:(

At 12/4/07 11:06 AM, The-Redangleprince wrote: Pro Wrestling Insider is now reporting the Senshi departure. So I'm guessing this is official now. Hopefully he'll make his way back to ROH. I'd love to see him go after Nigel, though it is rather early in his title run.

Honestly, I haven't actually seen Senshi yet, so it doesn't make much of a difference for me. I know he's had some good matches, though.

And Avie, you may now apologize to everyone.

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At 12/4/07 12:23 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: yeah probably. But if he does there is a good chance that he'll get beat up like Steph didn't want. I saw Bret Hart's image for next week so that will be interesting to see. Wonder if he'll get a word in.

I thought Bret Hart was going to be there last night due to Kennedy's play on words; he's on Shawn Michaels' DVD, isn't he?

At 12/4/07 12:39 PM, PantyWipe wrote: Yea as soon as I saw the "raws greatest superstar" thing I just went out loud "Its gonna be Vince then hes gonna get stomped"

Most likely, unless ol' Dwayne shows up - assuming he's not working on another movie atm.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-04 17:48:54 Reply

At 12/4/07 05:31 PM, Assi9 wrote: Also, Thanks, Red, for the heads-up on Turning Point, but I'm still curious on 2 things: (1) What exactly did Samoa Joe say, & (2) WHY THE HELL WAS SCOTT HALL A NO-SHOW!? Eric Young's an okay replacement, but still.

Hall said that it was "food poisoning" but I don't believe it. And Joe basically said what everyone else has been saying... That's he's tired of seeing former "Superstars" (at which point he stared at Angle) coming into TNA and taking up the spots that should belong to the younger guys. He told Hall to kiss his ass and also ripped on Nash, who was in the ring and wasn't too pleased with Joe's promo.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-04 18:36:15 Reply

Here's the problem with the Joe promo, it's typical Vince Russo pop the smarks bullshit. Big name no shows? You have the young guy say how all the old guys suck, which ok, makes the smart fans happy, but the old guys aren't going away or are going to be depushed. I also highly doubt it's gonna lead to any sort of storyline where either Joe hunts the freeloading superstars down, or they want to go after him for the crap he said about them.

It'll just be a meaningless promo going nowhere, like when Russo cut one on Hulk Hogan in *southern accent* WCW.

So the Senshi story was true? Does Dixie Carter just watch tapes of WCW and read old internet reports and copy everything they do? Uh, that company went out of business people!!! Those aren't the guys to hold up as role models.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-04 22:56:18 Reply

I was told Senshi will finish out whatever dates TNA still has for him, the whole split is amicable. Which is smart by both sides, why burn the bridge if you can avoid it?


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-04 23:34:04 Reply

I didn't realize that that Tin Man movie was on tonight, hence ECW's time change this week.

At 12/4/07 05:48 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Hall said that it was "food poisoning" but I don't believe it.

That is utter bullshit. >:(

And Joe basically said what everyone else has been saying... That's he's tired of seeing former "Superstars" (at which point he stared at Angle) coming into TNA and taking up the spots that should belong to the younger guys. He told Hall to kiss his ass and also ripped on Nash, who was in the ring and wasn't too pleased with Joe's promo.

Wait, Joe basically indirectly agreed with Christian on something!?

TNA has entered The Twilight Zone........


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-05 08:37:00 Reply

So Joe is pissed off about the situation in TNA? I don't blame the guy if that really was a shoot promo. It would be good for him to get put back in the ME scene since that was where he was headed until Angle showed up.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-05 17:36:46 Reply

Honest question to you guys who have watched wrestling for 5+ years... is it my imagination or has WWF gotten EXTREMELY predictable the past couple years? I know theres a drought right now, and hopefully Jericho will have the power to bring wrestling out of it, but even during the previous droughts things werent so predictable and boring. I mean the last drought (Right before 98 and the attitude era) was still really good stuff, what with Austin and the Hitman and everything like that, but this time around (and it seems to me like the only time) its been so boring and predictable I could vomit. The only show I even watch anymore is the A show, and the only reason Im watching every week now is for Jericho.
It seems like the past couple of years or so you can sit there and call whats going to happen and hit the nail right on the head, with shit like hornswaggle, ECW, the raws greatest superstar, all that shit. Its like a bad movie youve seen before, and quite frankly Im sick of it.

If any of you are in agreement, my opinion is that hopefully this "drought" as I like to call em will be over soon and wrestling will pop again. THE GOOD LORD WILLING. Cus Ive been a fan since 1987 and for the first time in my life Im TOTALLY fuckin bored with it.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-06 09:12:45 Reply

I'll admit that I have been able to see whats coming more often that I did in the past, but that might be because we have been watching it for so long. The thing is during the attitude era WWE had to compete with WCW so they were constantly trying new ideas and storylines. Now with only TNA as something of a threat they have gotten a bit complacent in how they book.

honestly I think SD is more watchable since it still seems more focused on matches that storyline at times. Just look at the stuff guys like MVP, Hardy, Mysterio, Finley, Taker, Batista and so on have done. For the most part they give out some great quality matches.

Raw seems way too focused on storylines and Vince. That might be why I like SD so much too. Vince isn't on it as much.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-06 11:59:33 Reply

I mean dont get me wrong, I enjoy WRESTLING WRESTLING, especially tech guys like Triple H (I know hes the mans son in law and gets more face time than most, but you have to admit, the guy can WRESTLE.) But I really (I should say used to) ENJOY the storylines. They are the reason I preferred WWF over WCW back during the wars.

Another guy who impresses me with his tech wrestling is William Regal. Ever since I saw him Shoot on Goldberg and beat his ass I fell in love with the mans SKILLS. He also cuts AWESOME promos, wether hes a heel or a face.

I just miss the way things were. Hopefully the drought will end soon and things will go back to the way they used to/shoul be. Keep yer fingers crossed, fellas.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-06 14:00:40 Reply

If by drought, I hope you mean WWE's stagnation and idiotic creative direction. People like to act like it's somehow not wrestling's fault when it isn't popular like it is now. Hey, it's hard as hell and near impossible to stay on the cutting edge of pop culture, but there's NO reason that WWE, TNA, ROH, your local indies, etc. can't produce quality storylines and try to create new and exciting stars. In the case of WWE and TNA, they aren't, they aren't because their creative direction blows, or is in fact, directionless. Or it's because of politics and certain people at the top holding other people down, and doing what's best for them and not what's best for the show and the product.

The only way things will get better is if WWE realizes that what they're doing isn't working, and they try to really push people outside of the box, that the fans want to see, and come up with compelling storylines people can get invested in. I won't hold my breath though. TNA? Need to do the same but I think they're like WCW, it'll never happen, and that company will exist on;y as long as the Carters are willing to pump money into it.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-06 14:04:51 Reply

At 12/6/07 02:00 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: If by drought, I hope you mean WWE's stagnation and idiotic creative direction.

You hit the nail right on the head. Thats EXACTLY what Im talkin about avie.

The only way things will get better is if WWE realizes that what they're doing isn't working, and they try to really push people outside of the box, that the fans want to see, and come up with compelling storylines people can get invested in.

Thats why Im hoping they realize how bad this "drought" has become and will get on the fucking ball the way they did during the "attitude" era, which in my opinion is the greatest era in the history of wrestling. It was such an AMAZING time to be a fan of wrestling that even their SATURDAY NIGHT show was better than raw is now. (The Hardy Boyz DOMINATED the saturday and sunday shows with AWESOME matches back in those days... Remember that?)

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-06 17:47:02 Reply

At 12/6/07 02:04 PM, PantyWipe wrote: Thats why Im hoping they realize how bad this "drought" has become and will get on the fucking ball the way they did during the "attitude" era, which in my opinion is the greatest era in the history of wrestling. It was such an AMAZING time to be a fan of wrestling that even their SATURDAY NIGHT show was better than raw is now. (The Hardy Boyz DOMINATED the saturday and sunday shows with AWESOME matches back in those days... Remember that?)

There's no one to steal from, I think that's their biggest problem right now, there isn't a hot product that's underground that they can steal the concepts and talent from to improve their own shows anymore (like they did with ECW, and don't make me fight you on that, because I goddamn will, I had a fight tuesday night about this shit with somebody). I mean, they can't really steal from UFC, they could try taking from some of ROH, and I don't think it would hurt them to be a little more "sports with gaga and soap opera" then where they're at now as "gaga and bad soap opera with sports".


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-06 20:04:03 Reply

At 12/6/07 05:47 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: I mean, they can't really steal from UFC, they could try taking from some of ROH, and I don't think it would hurt them to be a little more "sports with gaga and soap opera" then where they're at now as "gaga and bad soap opera with sports".

They've already started taking talent from ROH. Guys like Colt Cabana and Matt Sydal are known as "ROH guys" and they're in OVW. Mickie James is actually a former ROH talent aswell. And then, of course... There's CM Punk who is by far the most successful ROH alum in WWE.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-06 22:16:20 Reply

At 12/6/07 09:37 PM, The-Redangleprince wrote: I suffered a concussion last night. Really makes me appreciate it more when a guy works through one.

Dude! You ok? What happened?


Also, I've decided that my next big purchase is buying my way into a wrestling school. I'll make this my career, or at least give it everything I have...

I know you can do it man! You'll have us to root for ya! Definatly keep us informed on that.

Watching ECW now. How can you guys keep calling Morrison and Miz a joke? They look like solid workers to me.

Who is this Kofi guy? Anyone have any info on the guy?


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-06 23:09:12 Reply

At 12/6/07 10:16 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: Watching ECW now. How can you guys keep calling Morrison and Miz a joke? They look like solid workers to me.

Morrison is a solid worker but bad on the mic, Miz is good on the mic but not as good in the ring... I like them as a team, but I can't take either guys seriously as singles competitors.

Who is this Kofi guy? Anyone have any info on the guy?

He's been in OVW for a long time and from the bits I've seen of him he looks good in the ring and he's great on the mic. I believe his finisher was called the Cool Runnings.

And speaking of OVW... Former ROH alum Matt Sydal won the OVW Heavyweight Title after being with them for just two months. I'm guessing he's been impressing the right people.

As for Red, do you have any preferences as to which wrestling school you'd like to go to?


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-07 01:50:43 Reply

Go for it, Red! ^_^ Kick everyone's ass. :P We're all behind ya'.

I didn't really bother paying a lot of attention to ECW tonight (recorded on Bright House during TNA) other than Kelly Kelly being smokin' as usual & missing the last part of the CM Punk/Mark Henry matchup due to the recorder cutting it short.... >_<a nd the Jamaican guy's promo - does anyone get the feeling that he's there to replace Carlito? I get the feeling that WWE Creative forsees Carlito's departure.

Anywho:

Assi9's TNA Yadda-Yadda-Yadda

(For some reason, my neighbor's comp won't let me do bold HTML tags at the moment. -_-)

Oh, gee, yeah A.J., that went over well - YOU COULDN'T FORSEE THE INEVITABLE TURNOUT!? LIKE KURT ANGLE WOULD REALLY LET SOMEONE ELSE BOSS HIM AROUND. Fucking moron. I've been wondering how long it'd take Tomko to get up & leave the retarded mess; I get the feeling that he'll either go solo from there or he'll knock all of their heads together & declare himself leader - he'd do better than any one of them considering he actually has the most sense. He really needs a bigger push, anyway. Also, more hilarity when the 2 wives were about to have a catfight. ^_^

Nothing about Scott Hall.

Also, nothing about the suitcases, but we know the outcome of that already. Daniels should've let Senshi have the suitcase......nyah-nyah. :P

Awesome Kong shows why she's.........well, awesome......at least in her eyes. Poor hot Asian chick with the title.......er, I mean Gail Kim.......... >_<

Btw, wtf does ODB stand for?

3D & Devine screwjob the MCMG & Jay Lethal, but again, we know the outcome of next week, where Macho Man Version 2 gets his comeupings and gets to flip 3d & Devine the proverbial bird by stealing back his title....literally.

Christy Hemme got attacked by that bandana-wearing Mexican guy again. Seriously, if you want to get rid of him, BAN HIM FROM THE ARENA. There, problem solved. Duh.

And last, Matt Morgan's an idiot, and he'll soon be with Daniels at the unemployment line.

Oh, and there was a NASCAR guy guest-commentating from some weird reason. o_O

Now, can anyone tell me about that little backstage brawl that the announcers couldn't talk about from last week?


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-07 08:28:49 Reply

It's been announced that there will be a ladder match between Jeff Hardy and Carlito for the IC title. Very interesting considering the situation. You would think with Carlito leaving WWE wouldn't put him in a high profile match like this. This could be WWE's way of saying they want him to stay, or to just give him one last big match before he goes. It will be a big shock if Carlito wins.

If they are able I know these two can put on one hell of a ladder match.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-07 11:44:42 Reply

I have actually marked for Carlito and ranted about how much Ive hated him out loud to the TV. He's such a good heel, WWF is smart in trying to keep him from leaving.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-07 11:45:57 Reply

At 12/6/07 11:09 PM, pepeatumi wrote:
At 12/6/07 10:16 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: Who is this Kofi guy? Anyone have any info on the guy?
He's been in OVW for a long time and from the bits I've seen of him he looks good in the ring and he's great on the mic. I believe his finisher was called the Cool Runnings.

I believe he's been in FCW the last couple of months or so, but I've heard he's quite good. I'm looking forward to see what he brings to the table, he certainly sounds entertaining.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-07 13:13:38 Reply

Assi9... ODB=One Dirty bitch. And supposedly Nash and Samoa Joe got into it backstage after the PPV (I'm guessing it was all planned by Vince Russo).

As for the Ladder Match. I see it as a last ditch effort to convince Carlito to stay. They give him a high-profile show in what's supposed to be a HUGE show for WWE. I'm hoping HHH turns heel and Carlito wins the IC title.

And you can add Sunny to the list of people who will be on RAW this monday.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-07 13:37:08 Reply

Oh... Sunny. I love her soooooooooooo much.

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-07 15:01:38 Reply

At 12/7/07 08:28 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: It's been announced that there will be a ladder match between Jeff Hardy and Carlito for the IC title. Very interesting considering the situation. You would think with Carlito leaving WWE wouldn't put him in a high profile match like this. This could be WWE's way of saying they want him to stay, or to just give him one last big match before he goes. It will be a big shock if Carlito wins.

If they are able I know these two can put on one hell of a ladder match.

So I guess they're NOT trying to replace Carlito with the Jamaican guy, then. Unless, like you said, this is just a sendoff match, but it sounds too good to be one. Sorry, Jeff, but give Carlito the IC title, just so he can get back to the ME level.

At 12/7/07 01:13 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Assi9... ODB=One Dirty bitch.

Haha, cute. I guess I should've thought about it a little harder. :P

And supposedly Nash and Samoa Joe got into it backstage after the PPV (I'm guessing it was all planned by Vince Russo).

Obviously due to Joe telling him & Scott Hall off. And yet, last night they all worked together like there was no problem at all; I guess they decided to leave it all backstage.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-07 16:49:58 Reply

At 12/7/07 03:01 PM, Assi9 wrote: So I guess they're NOT trying to replace Carlito with the Jamaican guy, then. Unless, like you said, this is just a sendoff match, but it sounds too good to be one. Sorry, Jeff, but give Carlito the IC title, just so he can get back to the ME level.

I usually don't trust the Wrestling Observer (Let's just say I'm not a fan of Meltzer and his boys... except Derek Burgan >_>) but since its about Carlito, and I'm biased towards him, I feel the need to post this.

From the Wrestling Observer:

Carlito will be staying with WWE. He met with Vince McMahon at RAW on Monday and Vince talked him into staying even though Carlito had been unhappy with how he was being used and had even given his notice. He has now rescinded his notice. For whatever reason, WWE decided they didn't want to lose him right now despite the fact that he has been unhappy.


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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-07 17:10:36 Reply

At 12/7/07 04:49 PM, pepeatumi wrote: I usually don't trust the Wrestling Observer (Let's just say I'm not a fan of Meltzer and his boys... except Derek Burgan >_>) but since its about Carlito, and I'm biased towards him, I feel the need to post this.

Well, it makes sense. I'd like to think there's at least one person with influence in the WWE that recognizes that Carlito has talent, even if they're too goddamn stupid to know how to harness that talent.
I'm sure the E would much rather keep skilled workers on their payrolls doing jack shit, than allow them the opportunity to go over to TNA or other rival promotions. Lol, did I just call TNA a rival promotion?

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Response to The Wrestling (WWE) Club 2007-12-07 17:22:58 Reply

At 12/7/07 05:10 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: Lol, did I just call TNA a rival promotion?

Yup... Its even been quoted! My guess is WWE believes that letting Carlito go would hurt their numbers (ratings wise) when it comes to the latino viewers.


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