What makes a song?

Melody
Bass
Beat
and some tension and release.

Am I forgetting anything?

At 6/14/06 09:09 PM, Kasualty wrote: tension and release.

I'm assuming you mean cadences?

At 6/14/06 09:09 PM, Kasualty wrote: What makes a song?

Well, a song is music. So what is music?

-A lot more than a melody, bass, a beat, and cadences. Music is meant to have feeling, dynamics to make that feeling, and so much more. What you listed were some basic that make up music, but aren't quite the whole piece. Then what is the whole piece?

I personally think melody melody melody.

Melody tells the story, technique tells it with passion.

At 6/14/06 09:15 PM, MaestroSorrow wrote: Melody tells the story, technique tells it with passion.

My opinon on music would have to be the same. You did well on putting into words what I could not.

At 6/14/06 09:09 PM, Kasualty wrote: Am I forgetting anything?

Skill?

At 6/14/06 09:15 PM, MaestroSorrow wrote: I personally think melody melody melody.

Melody tells the story, technique tells it with passion.

I'll have to disagree, it's all personal, but many genres throw out melody (techno for one.) The rhythm is the most important to me. Deaf people go to raves too, they can hear the vibrations of the beats if the sound system is good enough. Just an example. It's all personal though.

At 6/14/06 09:27 PM, -ZENON- wrote:
Skill?

not important, ......rap music.....

Walk in a mans shoes, etc.

I dont care for rap, but some of its bit harder to make than you give it credit for.

Same goes for anything really

anyway.

vision. the thing i'm lacking currently. Not as in eyesight, but scope or project.
Concentration, also :P

theory wise, melody n rythm to carry the melody, make it fresh

even techno has a melody, its just a more warped, n often repetitive melody than say, pop or metal.

In my opinion, music is organised noise.

Music is about individuality, it's anything you want it to be.

Ok, do you seriously want a music theory lesson, or is this a philisophical thing?

Cuz I can give you the lecture if you really want it...not many people do though.

At 6/14/06 09:37 PM, Kasualty wrote:

At 6/14/06 09:27 PM, -ZENON- wrote:
Skill?

not important, ......rap music.....

Rap is not music :P

I'd say the melody of both bass and lead.

When both are in harmony that when music shows its true form

My sucky attaempt at being musically poetic :P

I disagree with you when you say Rap is not music.

The basic components of rap

- Repetitive loop (4 bars I think) with occasional changes
- Singing to the rythim (sp?)

Doesn't that constitute a song? Eminem's final song, now I consider that a full blown song. Repetitive loop yes, but its awesome loop, and the lyrics are just awesome, I'm one usually against Rap and hip-hop, but there are gems out there, just gotta find em.

I didn't know deaf people went to raves... Beethoven would probably have wanted a go if he were alive today ;).

At 6/14/06 10:40 PM, Simon_F wrote: I consider rap to be "poetry to a beat" and thus less music and more a form of poetry.

a song with lyrics is poetry in different notes?

hey Britney Spears doesn't need scantily dressed up backup singers, she does all the softcore porn motions herself!

But I see what you're saying. 90% of rap is as you just said, poetry with rythim.

At 6/14/06 10:18 PM, Triskele wrote: Ok, do you seriously want a music theory lesson, or is this a philisophical thing?

Cuz I can give you the lecture if you really want it...not many people do though.

go for it

At 6/14/06 10:40 PM, Simon_F wrote: I consider rap to be "poetry to a beat" and thus less music and more a form of poetry.

I guess that would constitute as to what you consider poetry. Rap doesn't really lean towards poetry as much as it leans to "deeeeeeeeese nuuutssssss" and "du' fuck a bitch"

Don't get me wrong I listen to some rap. Jurassic 5 mostly right now.

At 6/14/06 10:43 PM, Simon_F wrote: The rappers rarely sing, though. Seeing as they're rappers, they mostly rap (who would've thunk!). I mean, they have scantily dressed female backup singers sometimes, but that doesn't really count.

Lyrics are poetry, the instrument and sound that accompanies it in an organized manner is defined as Music, but it all depends on intention. Modern rap and hip hop isn't poetry, it isn't even literature, and hardly the true definition of music. It is a moment by moment attempt in getting as much money as possible.

At 6/14/06 10:40 PM, Simon_F wrote: I consider rap to be "poetry to a beat" and thus less music and more a form of poetry.

Its not poetry, poety sounds good, and genrally uses bigger words that "bitch", "hoe" and "slut", and poetry makes sense whilst rap does not. Rappers are not artists, nor poets, they are just washed up musicians that cant sing or play an instrument and can only talk behind a 5 minute fruity loops beat for 10 minutes bitching about how they suck and take drugs

I'm feeling angry :P

Prehaps Rap was "once" poetry, but it sure isn't now.

Music is anything you deem it to be.

If you created it, and it's your intent for it to be music, then it is.

You don't need theory. You don't need emotion or feeling. You don't need technique. You don't need to be good at it.

I find that detatching yourself from the musical process as much as possible is the best way of not letting any one of those creative devices from overpowering the rest.

Just make music.

Or something like that.

At 6/15/06 12:46 AM, CptnJarrrrrydn wrote: Just make music.

Or something like that.

*+10 respect points donated to Jarrydn*

At 6/15/06 12:46 AM, CptnJarrrrrydn wrote: Music is anything you deem it to be.

If you created it, and it's your intent for it to be music, then it is.

No, what if you put a bunch of sounds together and call it music. Its not music, its just a bunch of sounds.

At 6/15/06 12:46 AM, CptnJarrrrrydn wrote: You don't need theory. You don't need emotion or feeling. You don't need technique. You don't need to be good at it.

True, but then you write shit music., and then its not refered to music more as noise.

At 6/15/06 12:46 AM, CptnJarrrrrydn wrote: I find that detatching yourself from the musical process as much as possible is the best way of not letting any one of those creative devices from overpowering the rest.

Just make music.

Or something like that.

I agree with you, to some extent :P

what makes a song?? emotion

At 6/15/06 01:15 AM, -ZENON- wrote:

At 6/15/06 12:46 AM, CptnJarrrrrydn wrote: Just make music.

Or something like that.

*+10 respect points donated to Jarrydn*

+50 steal Triskele's shtick points donated to Zenon

At 6/15/06 12:46 AM, CptnJarrrrrydn wrote: Music is anything you deem it to be.

If you created it, and it's your intent for it to be music, then it is.

You don't need theory. You don't need emotion or feeling. You don't need technique. You don't need to be good at it.

I find that detatching yourself from the musical process as much as possible is the best way of not letting any one of those creative devices from overpowering the rest.

Just make music.

I disagree with you here.

Music cannot be just anything. Are you claiming now, that I could hold a single C note, for 5 minutes, claim it music, and actually let it be called a song?

You don't need theory, that is true, technique isn't an absolute either, but emotion and feeling? THERE is where you are wrong. Any song worth listening to has a story/emotion/feeling embedded into it. Even repetitive Techno/Trance songs. Every song you make should have some kind of soul bred into it.

That is again unless you consider the 5 minute C note, a song.

When I detach myself from the song, I end up hating it.

At 6/15/06 08:16 AM, MaestroSorrow wrote: I disagree with you here.

Fair enough

Music cannot be just anything. Are you claiming now, that I could hold a single C note, for 5 minutes, claim it music, and actually let it be called a song?

Not neccesarily a song per-se, but there are definitely people who would see it as music. It's a matter of perception and open mindedness.

You don't need theory, that is true, technique isn't an absolute either, but emotion and feeling? THERE is where you are wrong. Any song worth listening to has a story/emotion/feeling embedded into it. Even repetitive Techno/Trance songs. Every song you make should have some kind of soul bred into it.

Any song worth listening to. There you go. You said it yourself dude. Sure, it might not be worth listening to, but that doesn't stop it from being music.

That is again unless you consider the 5 minute C note, a song.

Some, nay, many people would. People listen to weird shit dude.

When I detach myself from the song, I end up hating it.

Fair enough.

Meh, I'm not trying to be an annoying cunt, or stir any shit up, these are just my opinions and perceptions, and meh, it seems to be working fine for me.

At 6/15/06 08:16 AM, MaestroSorrow wrote: That is again unless you consider the 5 minute C note, a song.

Your not a fan of club music, eh? :P

Music is individuality.

Individuality means it´s up to every single person, what he/her choose.

Unorganised noices could be music for some, and random non-music for others.
What I call "ugly shit" may "Sound like music to Your Ears".

Point being, that what every single person defines as music is as different as how every single person would describe the taste of something. It´s all about how you experince what you hear/see/smell/taste/feel, and everyone experience everything at least slightly different because of pure physical differences, and of course personal experience.

That´s my opinion and what I belive.
I don´t go about judging people for their musical taste anymore (well, i probably do unconcious, it´s called "prejudice" and is something I in many cases hasn´t chosen, but something I have been tought through the environment I live in), and i don´t hassle anyone cause they like "that shitty music". This is also a form of respect, through understanding and experience I have gained over the 24 years I´ve been around.

Did anyone finnish reading what I just wrote, or did I write for the fishes? :)