At 4/1/06 04:52 PM, Gunter45 wrote:
At 4/1/06 04:33 PM, fli wrote:
Eh-- I'm not anymore bothered by the Muslims fanatics than the Jewish or the Christian ones.That's just it, those instances in the Bible were specific instances, they weren't guidelines. The Quran explicitly tells Muslims to still do those things. In the Bible, it happened, sure, but it doesn't tell Jews or Christians to still act that way. In fact, I recall the Bible as saying "If your enemy hits you, turn the other cheek." And the 'enemy' it talks about sure as hell applies for Christians and non-Christians. It certainly doesn't tell people to kill anyone, even if they don't believe in God.
The Koran says the same thing...
Infact, I believe it's a universal principle found in all the world's major religions.
Bible does say to kill. Infact it says "utterly destroy". Several times infact...
You shall annihilate them--the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites--just as the LORD your God has commanded, so that they may not teach you to do all the abhorrent things that they do for their gods, and you thus sin against the LORD your God. Deuteronomy 20.2-20.19
C'mon. You don't think that this isn't a direct command?
Sure, there's that whole love your neighbors thing, and the be good thing, and the love thing of course. But we cannot overlook the rather gruesome aspects of the Bible, just as we cannot overlook the good aspects of the Koran.
This perception that the Koran is hostile came to us because that's what we look for. And it is very easy to see why when we hear knews about martyrdoms, suicide bombings, and etc.
But hey-- what can I say. Let me give you an example about how we easily overlook stuff. Leviticus 18:22. Here we have a bunch of wackos like Pat Robinson saying God hates fags and etc... They use this passage to prove it.
But interesting enough, they seem to overlook a few passages over in Lev. 19:17.
You shall not hate in your heart anyone of your kin; you shall reprove your neighbor, or you will incur guilt yourself. You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against any of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.
I like to juxtapose these to passages, both coming from the same body of text, to illustrate what happens when we concentrate on one aspect of a religion.
To me, I don't think the Muslims are any more bad than a Jew or a Christian.
All three of them have "inconsistancies".
When reading, or even criticizing, we should do this carefully and force ourselves to be as fair as possible. In this way, we can get the most objective truths possible.