At 12/6/02 10:51 AM, shade_v2 wrote:
So here it is in black and white:
Newgrounds is ours; The users are the admin's. We own it and we run it. We control the horizontal, we control the vertical - Not Tom, not Wade, not even lilJim.
At 12/6/02 04:49 AM, liljim wrote:
I don't know what your definition of "overkill" is, but this is less taxing on the system and less harmful to authors
Exactly! shade_v2 talks eloquently of the masses owning everything, but seriously, who pay the bills? Who didn't sell the site for big bucks when dot coms where at a premium? Server-side upgrades are gonna happen, then they evolve, and given time, eventually to please us all.
I can imagine it being quite disheartening for them to get reviews like, "This is stolen!" - when in fact it's not.
The "$tolen-ness" of a movie is a mine-field topic. liljim is a Webmaster Guru, shade_v2 a very fine orator, but when we enter the realm of ownership, then i too have something to say about it. Ownership will NEVER EVER work on the internet. Here's some examples.
1 Is a Star Wars parody just another story rip-off?
2 If the code of a moive was half written by a hacker, and half stolen, then wouldn't the administrators also have to be hackers to differenciate and decide a movies fate. When does COPY and PASTE become boarder line?
3 Isn't half the audio on NG stolen?
4 If 100 million monkeys typed allday everyday their wholely "original" prose, wouldn't they duplicate each other eventually - even re-write the classics?
There are a limited number of pixels to work with, and colours, and sounds, and especially code styles that conform to correct syntax, all of which are supposed to in any way replicate a real physical property.
So we say OMG, not another STICK movie, you stole that idea, photo, sound, script. But Whistle-Blowing doesn't convey any significant meaning... It would take expertise to say this is black and white, but actually, for the sake of endless agument we have to admit that every concept of DIGITAL ownership is as battleship grey as it gets, and equally boring to perceive.
And when I saw the reviews disappear on new submissions, I saw a little bit of that democracy die.
Hidden reviews are but a short delay (hardly a major breach of democratic rights)
We lost the ability to communicate with each other, to respond to each others thoughts.
You can still watch someones movie, and write reviews..
To warn each other of a mailicious movie
ok, you tell the "system" instead of a human (thus possibly saving someones time)
and we lost the option of telling a fellow user to "Go suck a dick, This movie's the shit"
The movie maker will eventually read your comments in his Blam email (that's true record keeping!)
I think that if you weigh the pro's and con's of either leaving reviews visible or hiding them...
It's being abused now we have a NEW BLAM/SAVE system and THAT's why ANY NEW measures are needed! Users are chasing points for percentage power-ups. That's the key issue! We can't go back ever again!!
it opens up very interesting possibilities for special interest groups ... now that a lesser number of people can choose for the rest of us whether something is overtly racist, pornographic, or otherwise mentally unsanitary.
That happens everyday in every country and for every medium, EVEN the internet!
Well... You can pick apart my words and list the rebuttals for the details of my argument - trust me, I know them better than anyone.
How did i do? ~Oh BTW, what happens if a protected movie gets replaced by a mailicious, racist, overtly pornographic movie, ..where's the B T W then? ;O)_*
The masses are losing their votes because the few have abused our freedom.
We have the freedom to express our opinions - and it co$ts nothing to do so.. God Bless America!!!