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Illwillpress' new movie

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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:02:27


you go, wadolf! give em' suttin to think about!


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:06:03


Well, we can debate this until we are blue in the face, so why don't we just see how it performs? When I put it on the front page it had around 5,000 views. It hasn't been that long since I put it there, and it's now at:

Score 3.50/5.00 (Explanation)
1,023 votes, 9,537 views

Also read the reviews. I'm not saying I agree with his message, in fact I don't. The people were told to get out of there, if they stayed, that's their problem. However, some people do agree with him, and you'll probably see A LOT of people agree with him. Remember, the country is divided, while half of us think one way, the other half thinks the other, so half the country would probably agree with his message.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:07:20


At 8/30/05 03:01 PM, -Gomez- wrote:
We will never know because he doesn't contribute to the newgrounds comunity!
He never gives us feed-back from our reviews, he never posts on the bbs( except for 2-3 times). Maby if he comunicated with his fans a little more then he could produce better flashes.
He doesn't give two shits about this site, all he uses it for is for publicity.

Nice one gomez. Its true that he never responds to any reviews, he is just trying to sell those crappy shirts from his website. I cant belive wade supports the new illwill. I always looked up to wade, but now i don't know what to do. I'm sure tom has the same position as wade does, so im just gonna go to neopets now;) well, ill be on both neo and here:P

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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:07:54


The "hurrican special" episode was a load of bollocks, I mean c'mon 1 frame, at the time I was thinking about donating some money to helping those people and then i see this on NG, a 1 frame animation by an OVERATED author that can voice act as about as well as 12 month old kitten. Of course i will still donate but this cartoon didn't effect me in the slightest I have NO intention to give more than planned and no more to go down thier and help. That cartoon was an insult to those people who have died and should be completely removed from Newgrounds.

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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:07:57


At 8/30/05 02:56 PM, WadeFulp wrote: He's free to submit whatever he wants and it pisses me off that people like you think he has to be held to a different standard than any other portal submitter.

Hey Wade! Good news! The portal works! People submit and stuff makes it through. Good Job. :-)

That's the point of the portal people. If people didn't like it, it won't make it through, and it especially won't make frontpage. It's comforting to hear that IWP or any other flash artist for that manner doesn't get special treatment. In fact, it's comforting for any new flash artist to know that they have just as much chance as anyone else to get frontpage. It happens all the time on NG. IWP was the first to do anything on the Hurricane. So what? They are the first to do it, and did so in a humorous and truthful fashion, Why wouldn't it get Frontpage?

Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:09:06


At 8/30/05 03:06 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Also read the reviews. I'm not saying I agree with his message, in fact I don't.

at first i thought it was completley ridiculous and shameless that you put it on the front page... but after reading a few of the reviews i'm just overwhelmed by the stupidty of most ppl


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:10:24


In theory, could the admins change the score of a movie if they felt personally motivated (bribed?) if it was against their opinion of how it should be score?

Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:10:26


At 8/30/05 03:06 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Well, we can debate this until we are blue in the face, so why don't we just see how it performs? When I put it on the front page it had around 5,000 views. It hasn't been that long since I put it there, and it's now at:

Score 3.50/5.00 (Explanation)
1,023 votes, 9,537 views

Isn't this the exact same reason why a vote timer was put into the movies that are under judgment, that if people who liked Foamy and voted based upon name alone would have to at least to see if the movie was of good enough quality to pass judgment. Don't you agree that this Foamy flash is of extremly low quality, even by normal Foamy standards.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:10:49


At 8/30/05 03:01 PM, -Gomez- wrote: He doesn't give two shits about this site, all he uses it for is for publicity.

What I'm coming to understand is that this site doesn't give two shits about him either, we just use him for publicity.

I haven't watched this movie, and even though I'm considering it now that there's a huge controversy about it, I'll probably get lazy or forget when I get home. He doesn't animate well... meh. He's sometimes funny... meh. He gets the frontpage and brings in new people... meh.

A lot of people love him, and as a result of him putting his content on Newgrounds and getting featured here, a lot of people love Newgrounds. It's win/win in my eyes, seeing as how flash works of artistic merit or programming prowess will be put on the front page right next to IllWill's entries and will garner clicks as a result of that.

I think that's all I've got to contribute to this topic, because for a heated argument, it sure is going nowhere.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:12:23


At 8/30/05 03:05 PM, ShadowWarriorLuke wrote: Funnily enough, I've shown two of my friends on MSN this flash. Neither have seen a Foamy toon before and both said that they thought it was crap. Of the ones I've seen I certainly don't like them. I'm not one of these "VOTED 0 WITHOUT WATCHING BLAM BLAM!" types and I understand it's on a current event. I (and a lot of others) just don't think that it's front page worthy. A lot of people do these types of submissions as a cash-in for front page (Tear for London for example) and I reckon that's the case here. I'm not saying blam it or take the score down or whatever but front page is a bit much. Wasn't the automated collections designed for stuff like this to get exposure?

You live in England so this might not impact you the same as it would for those living in the US and dealing with the Hurricane. It's on our news 24/7.

The automated collection system is a way to help showcase more entries, but we still need the pull of our front page to get traffic into those collections.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:13:59


i like it 7/10 3/5

just because it reminds me of what my mom says when watching the news

i'll go hide in a dark room now

Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:14:38


At 8/30/05 03:12 PM, WadeFulp wrote:
You live in England so this might not impact you the same as it would for those living in the US and dealing with the Hurricane. It's on our news 24/7.

As i'm pretty sure that when the London bombing happened it was on the news in England 24/7.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:17:22


At 8/30/05 03:12 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

:stuff

Hardcored just submitted a flash about Hurricane Katrina. Will that go on the front page?

Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:17:41


At 8/30/05 03:09 PM, theabominablematt wrote: but after reading a few of the reviews i'm just overwhelmed by the stupidty of most ppl

Hehe, it may not be that they are stupid, but easily amused. Anyone here ever go to a movie and wonder why so many people are laughing at it? It takes a lot for me to laugh, or certain types of humor. I don't find myself laughing along with the masses, but the masses sure do laugh at just about any stupid thing! That's why Foamy does so well, because the masses are easily amused, and a still picture of a squirell going off is more than enough to make them laugh and vote high.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:17:50


At 8/30/05 03:06 PM, WadeFulp wrote: you'll probably see A LOT of people agree with him. Remember, the country is divided, while half of us think one way, the other half thinks the other, so half the country would probably agree with his message.

The country isn't voting on it, a plethora of little kids are. But, you're right: arguing continually over isn't going anywhere, and from a business point of view, you have to appease your fanbase. I've made my points clear I think (and so have the others), so I'm going to go get ready for work. :)


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:19:56


At 8/30/05 03:10 PM, Morextremist wrote: In theory, could the admins change the score of a movie if they felt personally motivated (bribed?) if it was against their opinion of how it should be score?

Yeah, if we had no morals or ethics. We hold our voting system in high regard and never mess with the #'s. The same goes for the experience system.

If Tom, or I, don't like the score an entry has we do what everyone else does, we vote. We have no more voting power than anyone else with similar stats (exp points blam/save bonus)


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:21:33


At 8/30/05 03:17 PM, KrazyKool wrote:
At 8/30/05 03:12 PM, WadeFulp wrote: stuff
Hardcored just submitted a flash about Hurricane Katrina. Will that go on the front page?

I'll go check it out. The only reason I found IWP's entry is because someone made a topical about Hurricane Flash and I thought if there was anything decent I should get it on the front page.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:24:36


At 8/30/05 03:17 PM, WadeFulp wrote:
Hehe, it may not be that they are stupid, but easily amused. Anyone here ever go to a movie and wonder why so many people are laughing at it? It takes a lot for me to laugh, or certain types of humor. I don't find myself laughing along with the masses, but the masses sure do laugh at just about any stupid thing! That's why Foamy does so well, because the masses are easily amused, and a still picture of a squirell going off is more than enough to make them laugh and vote high.

Even if so, why do you feel the need to post it on the front page? If it's for traffic, then you're just as bad as illwill is, looking for publicity more than anyhting else. I just watched the new flash again, and it's kinda ironic that foamy is blaming the reporters for the same thing he is doing.;)

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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:24:36


At 8/30/05 03:06 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Well, we can debate this until we are blue in the face, so why don't we just see how it performs? When I put it on the front page it had around 5,000 views. It hasn't been that long since I put it there, and it's now at:

Score 3.50/5.00 (Explanation)
1,023 votes, 9,537 views

I don't think anyone is arguing against the decision for the movie to be put on the front page anymore. It makes perfet sense and everybody benefits from it, and if people can't understand that they need to go off and think it over.
The point (mine at least) is that I don't think the movie would have passed judgement if it had been submitted by anyone other than IWP. Based on some of the movies that get blammed evey day, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the author would have been flamed to the ground and the movie blammed.
I certainly didn't come here to argue, but simply state my somewhat evident belief- that viewers, in this case, are voting on the author instead of the movie.

Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:24:56


yo Wade, check the portal.

Anywho I'll post back later I got to fix the AC, it crapped out again. Makes you think, we got power and people down there don't.....makes me feel guilty honestly. Anywho i'm off.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:26:44


At 8/30/05 03:17 PM, KrazyKool wrote:
At 8/30/05 03:12 PM, WadeFulp wrote: stuff
Hardcored just submitted a flash about Hurricane Katrina. Will that go on the front page?

I don't think it's something the masses will get to excited about. It's just something you'd see on the news. Think of us as record producers. We've been looking through a lot of content for many years. We watch all kinds of stats. We know what will work and what won't. Some things we put on the front page to bring in traffic, while other things we put there because we think it is very well done and deserves more exposure, even if we know it won't bring in traffic.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:27:19


At 8/30/05 03:24 PM, Grandfather-Clock wrote: i would like to hear TOM FULPS opinion seeing as this is TOM FULPS website and not that of the afforementioned wadefulp

he's an imporant person on newgrounds either way.

Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:27:58


At 8/30/05 02:47 PM, CadillacClock wrote:
At 8/30/05 02:37 PM, CheezNapkin wrote: You know what? They might have taken it a little bit too far by putting a movie on the front page, but look at "B" compared to that movie. It probably did take him a long time to draw the picture, whereas "B" took no time at all. And you people worship B and dis Illwill's one-frame movie. And yes, Illwill was pretty lazy, but think about it, there's a lot worse.
B's score was not high after being submitted it took years of mass voting and other's 0ing to get it to that score.

It's funny though. You people say stuff like "If it wasn't for it being by Illwillpress, It would've been blammed.". But then you go and vote 5 on B. Isn't that kinda ironic? I mean, if B was submitted now, and nobody knew who SBC was, They would've blammed it instantly.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:31:06


At 8/30/05 03:24 PM, thisguy9 wrote:
Even if so, why do you feel the need to post it on the front page? If it's for traffic, then you're just as bad as illwill is, looking for publicity more than anyhting else. I just watched the new flash again, and it's kinda ironic that foamy is blaming the reporters for the same thing he is doing.;)

As much as I wish foamy would stop existing, keep in mind that NG is a business. If NG didn't go for publicity it wouldn't get the traffic it does now. Traffic = money, which in turn equals the site running better with new features, and being able to support more and more users...


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:31:48


At 8/30/05 03:24 PM, thisguy9 wrote: Even if so, why do you feel the need to post it on the front page? If it's for traffic, then you're just as bad as illwill is, looking for publicity more than anyhting else. I just watched the new flash again, and it's kinda ironic that foamy is blaming the reporters for the same thing he is doing.;)

So you are saying we shouldn't try and keep our traffic high? You are saying we should let our traffic drop, reduce the exposure our Flash artists will get?

Of course it's for traffic. People didn't email Tom many years ago and ask him to put their Flash on his website because they just wanted it on his site. They wanted it there because they knew Tom had a popular site and their work would get more exposure being there. So our goal has always been to get as much exposure as possible for all our contributors.

Look around NG. Everything is designed to bring in an audience and keep it here.

Why did I come up with the idea for the blam/save point system? Because we needed more people watching ALL the incoming portal submissions. Entries would leave the top 50 list with 15-30 votes, now they leave with well over 200 votes and usually with at least 800 views. That's a dramatic increase in exposure for ALL artists who submit to our portal.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:33:19


At 8/30/05 03:29 PM, gumOnShoe wrote:
At 8/30/05 03:21 PM, WadeFulp wrote:
At 8/30/05 03:17 PM, KrazyKool wrote:
At 8/30/05 03:12 PM, WadeFulp wrote: stuff
Hardcored just submitted a flash about Hurricane Katrina. Will that go on the front page?
I'll go check it out. The only reason I found IWP's entry is because someone made a topical about Hurricane Flash and I thought if there was anything decent I should get it on the front page.
the pictures are decent. But the text needs work. Front page? maybe

it is more appropriate to the situation than IllWill, but it still isn't a "great movie"... I think you need a disaster collection

theres a 9/11 collection but there should be a disaster tribute section, the movie will go in the normal place for foamy rants though.

Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:34:39


At 8/30/05 03:29 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: the pictures are decent. But the text needs work. Front page? maybe

it is more appropriate to the situation than IllWill, but it still isn't a "great movie"... I think you need a disaster collection

Alright, let's look at these two entries. I'm putting you in charge of bringing more traffic to Newgrounds. I want you to find a Hurricane Flash that you think will best bring traffic to the site and get a lot of views. You have to choose between Foamy's Hurricane Rant or this other entry with copyrighted AP pictures, text, and music. Which do you choose?

Next scenerio, Foamy is already on the front page and you believe it will bring in a lot of traffic. You want to find other content to put on the front page that will bring in traffic, or is high quality and deserving of more exposure. Do you choose to put the 2nd hurricane entry up? Or keep looking?


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:34:42


At 8/30/05 03:31 PM, Afro_Ninja wrote:
As much as I wish foamy would stop existing, keep in mind that NG is a business. If NG didn't go for publicity it wouldn't get the traffic it does now. Traffic = money, which in turn equals the site running better with new features, and being able to support more and more users...

if that is true, then i will gladly put up with one bad flash to enjoy countless great ones;) but i do think there are some flashes getting blammed that are better than some of illwill's work. I'm not saying illwill's foamy toons are all bad, but the newers ones are passing with to much score:o

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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:36:48


At 8/30/05 03:27 PM, Karakou wrote:
At 8/30/05 03:24 PM, Grandfather-Clock wrote: i would like to hear TOM FULPS opinion seeing as this is TOM FULPS website and not that of the afforementioned wadefulp
he's an imporant person on newgrounds either way.

Well, considering Tom puts 99% of the Foamy entries on the front page (meaning when Foamy entries appear on the front page, it's usually Tom putting them there, not that he features 99% of IWP's submissions, although it might be close to that anyway), I figure he would have put it there if I didn't.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:39:51


At 8/30/05 03:34 PM, thisguy9 wrote

if that is true, then i will gladly put up with one bad flash to enjoy countless great ones;) but i do think there are some flashes getting blammed that are better than some of illwill's work. I'm not saying illwill's foamy toons are all bad, but the newers ones are passing with to much score:o

I'm not arguing that point. If this entry was submitted by someone else and was blammed, that would have been unfortunate. It's also a shame when any entry that has some redeeming qualities, that doesn't break any of our rules, gets blammed.

We'd rather see crap Flash stay on the site, as long as it had some effort, than be blammed. It doesn't hurt anything, if it's got a low score, anything under a 3 or 2, above the blam threshold, it won't win any awards. All it will do is encourage the submitter to try harder and that person many some day submit something very good.

It's hard to get that point across to all our portal voters. The system will never be perfect, but I like to think it works pretty well, all things considered.


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