At 3/19/02 02:14 AM, TomFulp wrote: Edmund and I were discussing things we would like to do that would probably piss off our hardcore fans who have specific expectations of us. Among other things, I said that I want to promote healthy eating.

Sounds goofy, right? I've been reading The Food Revolution. It's really inspiring. I don't know if I'll ever be a vegetarian or vegan, but I have definitely been cutting back on meat since I started reading this book. It is packed with solid information about meat, milk, chemicals and how our eating habits and food production methods are pretty much destroying the world.

To quote Albert Einstein, "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."

This book pretty much proves him right once again. So as goofy as it seems, I want everyone with the slightest bit of curiosity to read this book. Yes, I'm linking to it with my Amazon associate ID, so you can help NG when you buy it - but I'm honestly not even sure if this associate ID works (it was technically cancelled at some point after some lady complained to them about NG - but I can still log in so I'm hoping it was never officially shut down)...

Whatever the case, you can also find this book in your local book store. Find it, get it, and read it... And let me know if you did, because I am curious to know if I've helped make a difference. Even if you plan to eat meat until the day you die (as I may very well), you should still read this book just to know the truth about everything you are eating. I guarantee you will be intrigued and amazed by it.

So let me know what ya think and if you'll give it a read!

hey Tom
I eat the same always right now I'm getting in shape for a track meet to win the 800m race and I also work out with my dad I will give it a read though

At 3/19/02 02:14 AM, TomFulp wrote: Edmund and I were discussing things we would like to do that would probably piss off our hardcore fans who have specific expectations of us. Among other things, I said that I want to promote healthy eating.

Sounds goofy, right? I've been reading The Food Revolution. It's really inspiring. I don't know if I'll ever be a vegetarian or vegan, but I have definitely been cutting back on meat since I started reading this book. It is packed with solid information about meat, milk, chemicals and how our eating habits and food production methods are pretty much destroying the world.

To quote Albert Einstein, "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."

This book pretty much proves him right once again. So as goofy as it seems, I want everyone with the slightest bit of curiosity to read this book. Yes, I'm linking to it with my Amazon associate ID, so you can help NG when you buy it - but I'm honestly not even sure if this associate ID works (it was technically cancelled at some point after some lady complained to them about NG - but I can still log in so I'm hoping it was never officially shut down)...

Whatever the case, you can also find this book in your local book store. Find it, get it, and read it... And let me know if you did, because I am curious to know if I've helped make a difference. Even if you plan to eat meat until the day you die (as I may very well), you should still read this book just to know the truth about everything you are eating. I guarantee you will be intrigued and amazed by it.

So let me know what ya think and if you'll give it a read!

Tom your ID on amazon Is still working good just thought to let ya know man

If there's too many vegetarians, I'll have to pick up hunting as a hobby. Just to kill all the animals that are getting a free pass out of the slaughter house. ; )

vegetarianism should do good in USA. good against fighting obesity now innit. well whatever honestly it might be wrong to eat meat but hey I hate vegetables so I'd die of malnutrition undernourishment or starvation or something if I was stuck with them veg burgers and salads. besides I'd be scared to eat a veg clock they're scary them now innit

At 3/19/02 09:12 AM, TomFulp wrote:

At 3/19/02 02:20 AM, lm_mario wrote: Hey Tom,

I like the idea of eating healthy but I woudl be careful wer eyoug et your info from. There are alot of special interest gorups that publish reports to support their cause. Soo your book may be publish and funded by people like PETA (i hope i did their name correclty). Anywho I will tlak to you later. btw thanx for replying to my emails. You don't know how cool it is for a head at a site to return emails. 8)

Think about what you are saying though. How does PETA stand to profit from people not eating meat? Does PETA have money invested in the "vegetable industry"? The only people who are scared are the meat and milk industry, who are the ones who spread false information. Anyone who says "and avoid the newfangled vegetable-oil-based foods that were flooding the grocers’ shelves" sounds like the more biased source to me.

-Tom

You don't understand fats are in almost everything we eat! Food companies such as proctor & gamble and many many more put polyunsaturated fats (vegetable oils) in their foods. It's cheaper and they can also slap "healthy" on their product box. It's all about money, if the TRUTH did come out and new regulations were put in place then the food industry would lose billions.

Wade is a good example, he ate nothing but meat and his cholestrol was low. This is because saturated fats have anti-oxidant properties (which neutralize free radicals) while polyunsaturated fats go rancid and release free radicals into our body. To get rid of these free radicals our liver releases cholesterol into our blood stream because cholestrol is an anti-oxidant. So when our cholestrol is high our body is actually trying to rid itself of free-radicals.

Remember we are evolutionary beings, if we put unnatural things in us then unnatural things will happen to us. Now do you believe extracting oils from vegetables is natural? Not to mention all the chemicals they have to use to do it...

http://www.mercola.com/2001/aug/1/oil.htm
http://www.howlingatthemoon.com/docs/YHARxtr.htm
http://www.westonaprice.org/facts_about_fats/skinny.html
http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/efatox.rtf
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/fats_and_cancer.html
http://www.oralchelation.net/heartdisease/ChapterFive/page5g.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2000/june/10/trans_fats.htm

Tom before he was a vegetarian.

Tom. whatever your choice is i cant stop. my genes require me to play amazingly violent video games, watch a little porn every once in awhile, and eat meat as the main food group. but your choice is yours to make friend

At 3/19/02 01:48 PM, Spengelino wrote:

At 3/19/02 01:21 PM, mattymetro wrote: I think that a lot of ppl are raised BLIND to facts about life...

We all know you like your meat and protien shakes Matty!

God damnit... my mom walked in and ALMOST saw that picture... thank the good Lord I am quick with the mouse.

Jebus.

Anyways... I haven't read his book but a lot of things I have read on 'vegan' diets are written by the uninformed.
I can't really comment on his book but here was one review from an Amazon.com user.

"The poster child of the malnourished, October 22, 2001
Reviewer: A reader from Seattle WA
Robbin's assertions have been long demolished by serious scientists, yet his tone of utter righteousness seems to offset that. His draconian recomendations are particularly dangerous for children. American needs a more balanced view of nutrition, such as the ADA's food pyramid. "

I can't attack the book because I haven't read it but I'm just hear to do the caveat emptor.

At 3/19/02 01:48 PM, Spengelino wrote:

At 3/19/02 01:21 PM, mattymetro wrote: I think that a lot of ppl are raised BLIND to facts about life...

We all know you like your meat and protien shakes Matty!

God damnit... my mom walked in and ALMOST saw that picture... thank the good Lord I am quick with the mouse.

Jebus.

I can't really comment on his book but here was one review from an Amazon.com user.

"The poster child of the malnourished, October 22, 2001
Reviewer: A reader from Seattle WA
Robbin's assertions have been long demolished by serious scientists, yet his tone of utter righteousness seems to offset that. His draconian recomendations are particularly dangerous for children. American needs a more balanced view of nutrition, such as the ADA's food pyramid. "

I can't attack the book because I haven't read it but I'm just hear to do the caveat emptor.
I am suspicious of his book because many vegans that I hear talk make no mention of biochemical processes within the body.

I can understand the moral standpoint of not eating meat. The health reasons are usually more complex than they make be.

At 3/19/02 08:51 PM, Shrapnel wrote:

At 3/19/02 01:48 PM, Spengelino wrote:

At 3/19/02 01:21 PM, mattymetro wrote: I think that a lot of ppl are raised BLIND to facts about life...

We all know you like your meat and protien shakes Matty!

God damnit... my mom walked in and ALMOST saw that picture... thank the good Lord I am quick with the mouse.

Jebus.



Anyways... I haven't read his book but a lot of things I have read on 'vegan' diets are written by the uninformed.
I can't really comment on his book but here was one review from an Amazon.com user.

"The poster child of the malnourished, October 22, 2001
Reviewer: A reader from Seattle WA
Robbin's assertions have been long demolished by serious scientists, yet his tone of utter righteousness seems to offset that. His draconian recomendations are particularly dangerous for children. American needs a more balanced view of nutrition, such as the ADA's food pyramid. "

I can't attack the book because I haven't read it but I'm just hear to do the caveat emptor.

Oh great.

A double post with 2 different messages.

/me shakes fist at Troma.

I am both surprised and happy to see a discussion about the dietary habits that people have.

I am not a vegetarian, but I eat very little (if any) meat a day. At the risk of sounding callous, I really don't care too much about what happens to animals. If people didn't meat, other animals would.

People do not [b]need[/b] meat anymore. Meat (particularly red meat) is extremely high in fat, which is why it was great for our ancestors. Food was scarce and fat holds the highest amount of calories per gram. With modern agricultural technology, we grow and consume so much food and take in so many calories that our bodies don't know how to handle it. That is why 1 out of 4 american adults are obese. Meat is a good source of protein. Other good sources of protein are: soy, protein shakes, protein pills, etc. If you go into any GNC, they will point out a huge area of the store dedicated to low fat/no fat protein.

As for food shortages, check this out. For every animal on the food chain, only 10% of it's matter moves up the food chain. What do I mean by this? If you want to eat a 100 pound cow, that cow would have to eat (in order to get up to that size), 1000 pounds of plants. That means, if everyone only ate plants, there would be 10 times more food in the world. (If anyone already said this or if I fucked up my facts I apologize, I am trying to recall facts from 10th grade biology.)

So, even if you don't give two shits about animals, EVERYONE needs to eat healthier. People don't realize how many calories they eat in a day. The sooner they do, the less risk they have of serious health risks later on.

oh Tom Fulp! It makes me soo happy to hear people talk about eating healthy and being vegetarian! PROPS TO YOU! My boyfriend, who was raised in a seafood-rich environment, tried being a vegetarian for a few weeks once, but couldn't help his craving for chicken. Eh, it's not so bad. We live in a town where everything is owned by Frank Perdue, and probably 80% of the town works for him too. I have seen the trucks packed to the brim, spilling over with chickens. They fall flailing to the highway only to be run over by a speeding driver. Sad, sad, world; but I digress.....

Being a vegetrain isn't for everyone. I know I just get grossed out by meat products. Really, I'm just picky. I've rambled enough. Thank you, Tom for sharing your thoughts.
-Lisa

I believe that genetics has a big part to play in it. I've heard that some Italians can't get high cholestrol (from my father, half-Italin). And I've also heard that many Japanese can't get lung cancer directly from smoking (for instance, my Japanese grandfather smokes, and he's like 85 or something).

And about that tribe that eat only meat and can still live... how long has that tribe existed? If they've been around forever, and if their diet hasn't changed over that time, then it's no doubt that they've experienced some natural selection there. All the ones who would of died from an overdose of meat are dead, leaving the ones with a higher tolerance of meat to reproduce and have kids with higher tolerances of meat.

My answer would be just to eat something of everything everyday. A little meat, some soy, some rice, some fruit, some vegetables, some chocolate, whatever. Hopefully any negative effects of one product will be cancelled out by another. :)

That's awesome Tom! I'm vegetarian and you're making me extremely proud by giving out information on vegetarianism to the generally unkowing-criticising public. There's too many people who have the wrong perception (i would know!). Not only is being vegetarian good for health reasons, but also environmental reasons.. and moral reasons too (if people arent ignorant about torture and all..)
i fully promote vegetarianism on my website
http://flashed.dyn.dhs.org
and if you wanna see 101 reasons why it's good to be veg, check out http://www.vivavegie.org/vv101/101reas2001.htm

oh, and thanks for mentioning Albert Einstein.. he's my role model and my hero. Thank You!!!

According to my research, a lot of propaganda had gone on about Hitler about being a vegetarian. There was a time he couldn't stand the thought of putting flesh in his mouth, Hitler was VERY health couscious. However, he did enjoy Squab on occasions (i think that means fried duck) every now and then, according to Hitler's chef. You can do research if you want. Oh, and btw, im vegetarian, strong & healthy!

i love meat no book or person is going to make me change my mind about eating it evre single day. i love the taste the chew and evrething about it!! even the hunt :) best part,

what you eat dosent matter much! Exersixe!! all you Lazy ass ppl are just treing to find a way to sit on your Lazy asses and not get FAT!

i found the way but i was lucky. i have a verry hight metabolisem! ( I cant spell for ... i dont care ) but for the rest of you! Exersize and you will stay healthy no matter what you eat (well almost..)

so stop reading your books and start Doing exersize! witch is time better spent do you think? eh?

thats my 2 cents worth..

Hey Tom Fast Food Nation is Also a good book it is so nasty what they say about fast food resturants

At 3/19/02 11:15 AM, BurritoClock wrote: I agree with Wade on this one.

I have always eaten meat and always will, the reason?

It taste good, it may sound stupid but that is all that matters to me, I smoke, don't eat anything without meat in it, never exercise, etc... I look healthy, so I am just going to enjoy life, and I enjoy eating meat.

I think it really just comes down to perference...

I agree with you BurritoClock, It's all about what feel right!!! Do what you like and enjoy life!!!

Ya i guess i should read cause most people don't vare about there body and just eat and eat and eat and they don't think about there health so iam gettin the book

From Cloud_strife2010 (cloud IS among us all)

At 3/19/02 06:40 AM, Notorius-T wrote: I think its probobly written by some vegan chick who, kinda has to make up some bull shit to make peple conform to her ideals.

Now im not saying i eat a heard of cows everyday, but i know the importants of meat in the human diet, and its importants for strenghaning muscles and helping us youngsters grow.

Sure we could take vitamin tablets but i read recently the shit they put in there could give you cancer.

In a world where 1 minuet somethings healthy the next minuet it gives you cancer, i just try to eat a healthy diet that isnt to much of anything, but fills me up. I refuse to live off rabit food and drink spiecal milk shakes that take like someone has put a tuma in a blender.

I fucked up on my post so here is my actual post.

Haha tom fulp is getting suckered by a veggie activist.

Want some info on John Robbins? Visit http://www.consumerfreedom.com/

Do a search on his name. He is up to all sorts of stupid shit. This is the same dick who thinks its great to burn down college research centers because they pervert nature. Thats right lets let millions of people starve because genetic food is EVIL!

Can anyone say marxist?

At 3/19/02 02:14 AM, TomFulp wrote: something about healthy eating, vegetarians, some book

Bah! right. I love my meat, dripping juicy steaks, spiced saucages, tender chicken drumsticks etc. I wouldn't give it up for anything. I have a philosophy on life. I would rather have fun in my youth/middle age than spend a few extra years on this earth as a wrinkled old prune who cant get it up and has to be reminded what his own name is. And dats all i got to say about dat.

Dick

At 3/19/02 01:48 PM, Spengelino wrote:

At 3/19/02 01:21 PM, mattymetro wrote: I think that a lot of ppl are raised BLIND to facts about life...

We all know you like your meat and protien shakes Matty!

dude, for you to even have a picture like that is pretty fucking gross. Unless of course your a chick, in which case, eat as much meat as you want, and dont neglect your protein shakes.

Dick

Some famous vegetarians include Einstein, Ghandi, Hitler, and Osama Bin Laden.

To quote someone who is famous for being a smart scientist talking on a topic that isn't in his field is a fallacy of logic.

Quoting Einstein regarding vegetarianism is a failed concept because it isn't what he is good at. Its like saying "To quote Einstein, 'Willy Mays was the best baseball player ever.'"

I applaud your attempts at changing your diet to something that makes you feel good, but I frown on how you imply that people who eat meat support the destruction of the world.

To each his own!

I think it's funny how meat eaters seem to be a lot more defensive in this topic then non-meat eaters...
I feel as though it's similar to telling someone to quit smoking... It's a decision that they know they cant control in their lives.. So, like you can read in posts above this... you see a lot of ("I love the blood, the taste... I dont care about animals") That is a self defeating attitude...

God, I hate vegetables :'(

Meh.. quit hugging trees and make with the flash, Fulp. ;)

I look at it this way. There is no proof that eating vegetables instead of meat is going to make any one person live longer. I think most people have a pre-determinded time of death in their genetic make up. Changing your diet isn't going to change that. Getting a good nights sleep and getting enough excercise is probably the best thing you can do for your body. Most of my relatives live well into their 80's, or 90's, and they weren't vegetarians, so why would I want to change my eating habits? 80-90 is old enough for me, but I have a feeling with developements in modern science some of us may be around for even longer.

So the only reason I can see for eating vegetables is for saving animals. Would we really be saving them though if we stopped eating them? We'd have to slaughet most of them, and then just keep a select few on animal reservations to keep their species around. If let wild they might face starvation, extinction, or need to be hunted because of over population, so you're right back to square one. What PETA freaks need to realize is there's a thing called the food chain. If we released pigs and cows into the wild there's no natural predator, except man. Unless we want to introduce predators into our country that can take down and eat pigs and cows. Hopefully they'd eat a few PETA people too, because it would only be fair in their opinion. Humans are probably the worst species to infect the earth, but what are we going to do? All commit a mass suicide and give the earth back to the animals? Some day something will probably happen, an asteroid or something will hit the eart, and everything will die, except some small bacteria that can one day re-populate the earth once again with who knows what. It's all one big cycle people, enjoy your time while you can. If you think you have the power to try and alter the cycle of the earth you are a fucking idiot. Let's say we got rid of all the polution in the world and we all cheer. "Yippy! No polution! No smog!" and then a year later a giant volcanoe, or volcanoes, erupt reasing 100,000 years worth of man-made pollution into the air, darkening the earth. Makes are efforts seem pretty stupid huh?

Here's another point. :) Dinosaurs! Where are they? They didn't create pollution by burning fossil fuels. Hmm....

Well Tom, here's my take. The only way people can avoid "destroying" the world is to die off. Even that wouldn't work because decaying bodies pollute the air. I just say lay back and live you life. Don't worry about such things because in the end, everything takes care of itself. If people were really capable of destroying the world, it surely would have happened by now. It could also be argued that if everyone ate vegetables, THAT would destroy the world as you clear out plant life and eat the things that the seeds need to grow. Yeah, just don't worry about it. We all have to die sometime, right?