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If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was still around...?

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What would he say about the BLM movement of 2020?

What would he say about Covid-19 pandemic and crisis?

I am curious about this. Please help. Thank you.

Response to If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was still around...? 2021-01-19 11:20:00


i'm pretty sure he'd join the blm marches


i hear he's a fairly big supporter of civil rights, after all


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At 1/19/21 11:20 AM, Gario wrote: i'm pretty sure he'd join the blm marches

i hear he's a fairly big supporter of civil rights, after all


King was a Christian. I doubt he would support BLM. BLM advocates the LGBTQIA agenda.


What would he say about Covid-19? I think he would have called Trump out about his lack of responsibility dealing with the pandemic and crisis.

Response to If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was still around...? 2021-01-19 11:48:10


At 1/19/21 11:30 AM, ngman7 wrote: King was a Christian. I doubt he would support BLM. BLM advocates the LGBTQIA agenda.


Well, Dr. King worked with NAACP during the 1950s and 1960s, and NAACP has been supportive of the Black Live Matter movement as well as supporting LGBTQIA rights.


King had also worked with gay activist James Baldwin, who played a key role in the Civil Rights movement.


So it is very likely that Dr. King would other civil rights groups and movements.


It is also very likely Dr. King would have been critical of the Trump Administration's handling of the pandemic, along with the President's other actions in other areas, like not doing anything against the rise of white nationalism.

Response to If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was still around...? 2021-01-19 12:09:32


He would probably cheat on his wife at least 40 more times


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Response to If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was still around...? 2021-01-19 12:14:44


What would KING say about COVID-19?

Response to If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was still around...? 2021-01-19 12:35:45


At 1/19/21 11:30 AM, ngman7 wrote:
King was a Christian.


King was a socialist too, you know, so that balances out nicely


What would he say about Covid-19? I think he would have called Trump out about his lack of responsibility dealing with the pandemic and crisis.


i dunno, king was a civil rights leader, not a scientist


he wasn't dumb so he'd probably just pay attention to what experts said


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Response to If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was still around...? 2021-01-19 12:39:08


At 1/19/21 12:35 PM, Gario wrote:
At 1/19/21 11:30 AM, ngman7 wrote:
King was a Christian.
King was a socialist too, you know, so that balances out nicely

What would he say about Covid-19? I think he would have called Trump out about his lack of responsibility dealing with the pandemic and crisis.
i dunno, king was a civil rights leader, not a scientist

he wasn't dumb so he'd probably just pay attention to what experts said


Being a Christian pastor he probably would have come out publicly said something prophetic about Covid-19. He might have posted something about it on social media.

Response to If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was still around...? 2021-01-19 12:50:48


At 1/19/21 12:39 PM, ngman7 wrote:
Being a Christian pastor he probably would have come out publicly said something prophetic about Covid-19.


why


i'm a christian and i've done no such thing so far


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At 1/19/21 12:50 PM, Gario wrote:
At 1/19/21 12:39 PM, ngman7 wrote:
Being a Christian pastor he probably would have come out publicly said something prophetic about Covid-19.
why

i'm a christian and i've done no such thing so far

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My pastor said something prophetic about Covid-19 last year.

Response to If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was still around...? 2021-01-19 13:15:04


At 1/19/21 11:30 AM, ngman7 wrote:
At 1/19/21 11:20 AM, Gario wrote: i'm pretty sure he'd join the blm marches

i hear he's a fairly big supporter of civil rights, after all
King was a Christian. I doubt he would support BLM. BLM advocates the LGBTQIA agenda.


Not every Christian is as arse-backwards as you.


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At 1/19/21 01:07 PM, ngman7 wrote: My pastor said something prophetic about Covid-19 last year.


What did they say exactly? You can't really say something like that with no explanation.

Response to If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was still around...? 2021-01-19 13:45:00


Not sure why we gets topics like this. I know that many conservative, even Republicans, will argue that King would be a conservative Republican, but he would be more of a conservative Democrat, who supports the BLM movement, knowing that blacks are still not being treated equally in our justice system, while struggling over LGBT and abortion issues, and evolving over them.

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At 1/19/21 01:45 PM, EdyKel wrote: Not sure why we gets topics like this. I know that many conservative, even Republicans, will argue that King would be a conservative Republican, but he would be more of a conservative Democrat, who supports the BLM movement, knowing that blacks are still not being treated equally in our justice system, while struggling over LGBT and abortion issues, and evolving over them.


The American criminal justice system is STILL biased?

Response to If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was still around...? 2021-01-19 14:06:30


At 1/19/21 02:01 PM, ngman7 wrote:
At 1/19/21 01:45 PM, EdyKel wrote: Not sure why we gets topics like this. I know that many conservative, even Republicans, will argue that King would be a conservative Republican, but he would be more of a conservative Democrat, who supports the BLM movement, knowing that blacks are still not being treated equally in our justice system, while struggling over LGBT and abortion issues, and evolving over them.
The American criminal justice system is STILL biased?


According to the statistics. 25% of the black population have been incarcerated at some point in their lives, compared to 10% for whites. And are at least 3 times more likely to be killed by police than whites.


At 1/19/21 02:06 PM, EdyKel wrote:
At 1/19/21 02:01 PM, ngman7 wrote:
At 1/19/21 01:45 PM, EdyKel wrote: Not sure why we gets topics like this. I know that many conservative, even Republicans, will argue that King would be a conservative Republican, but he would be more of a conservative Democrat, who supports the BLM movement, knowing that blacks are still not being treated equally in our justice system, while struggling over LGBT and abortion issues, and evolving over them.
The American criminal justice system is STILL biased?
According to the statistics. 25% of the black population have been incarcerated at some point in their lives, compared to 10% for whites. And are at least 3 times more likely to be killed by police than whites.


Those cops you're referring to are racist.


What about other minorities - Native Americans, Indigenous Americans, Latinos, Asians, etc.?

Response to If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was still around...? 2021-01-19 14:21:46


At 1/19/21 02:07 PM, ngman7 wrote:
At 1/19/21 02:06 PM, EdyKel wrote:
At 1/19/21 02:01 PM, ngman7 wrote:
At 1/19/21 01:45 PM, EdyKel wrote: Not sure why we gets topics like this. I know that many conservative, even Republicans, will argue that King would be a conservative Republican, but he would be more of a conservative Democrat, who supports the BLM movement, knowing that blacks are still not being treated equally in our justice system, while struggling over LGBT and abortion issues, and evolving over them.
The American criminal justice system is STILL biased?
According to the statistics. 25% of the black population have been incarcerated at some point in their lives, compared to 10% for whites. And are at least 3 times more likely to be killed by police than whites.
Those cops you're referring to are racist.

What about other minorities - Native Americans, Indigenous Americans, Latinos, Asians, etc.?


You can start here: Incarceration in the United States, Race and ethnicity


Response to If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was still around...? 2021-01-19 15:01:42


At 1/19/21 11:30 AM, ngman7 wrote: King was a Christian. I doubt he would support BLM. BLM advocates the LGBTQIA agenda.


That doesn't mean shit. Plenty of Christians follow the actual religion and embrace LGBTQ.


At 1/19/21 03:01 PM, Sensationalism wrote:
At 1/19/21 11:30 AM, ngman7 wrote: King was a Christian. I doubt he would support BLM. BLM advocates the LGBTQIA agenda.
That doesn't mean shit. Plenty of Christians follow the actual religion and embrace LGBTQ.


To embrace LGBTQIA stuff is to condone sin. God calls homosexuality an abomination.


I had a problem with Obama supporting same-sex "marriage". He said that "was a victory for America".


God intended for marriage to be between a man and wife. A "union" between two people of the same gender is NOT marriage.

Response to If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was still around...? 2021-01-19 15:32:06


At 1/19/21 03:06 PM, ngman7 wrote: I had a problem with Obama supporting same-sex "marriage". He said that "was a victory for America".

God intended for marriage to be between a man and wife. A "union" between two people of the same gender is NOT marriage.


Same sex marriage first became legal in Massachusetts in 2004 as a result of a court case where the State Supreme Court ruled that the state has to legally recognize same sex marriage. Which ultimately led to same sex marriage being legal nationwide.


The court ruling said nothing about homosexuality deemed an abomination. It was solely about the legality of same sex marriage, and the court system tries to not have Christianity or all other faiths affect their decisions because of the whole separation of church and state.


So, it was not Obama's fault that same sex marriage is legal. It was on its way to being recognized, with or without Obama's support, sooner or later.


Response to If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was still around...? 2021-01-19 15:59:39


At 1/19/21 03:06 PM, ngman7 wrote:
At 1/19/21 03:01 PM, Sensationalism wrote:
At 1/19/21 11:30 AM, ngman7 wrote: King was a Christian. I doubt he would support BLM. BLM advocates the LGBTQIA agenda.
That doesn't mean shit. Plenty of Christians follow the actual religion and embrace LGBTQ.
To embrace LGBTQIA stuff is to condone sin. God calls homosexuality an abomination.

I had a problem with Obama supporting same-sex "marriage". He said that "was a victory for America".

God intended for marriage to be between a man and wife. A "union" between two people of the same gender is NOT marriage.


I wouldn't take everything in the bible literally... or even follow everything it says. There are a lot of sins, and practices, it lays out that most people don't even follow because they are absurd, or no longer relevant. And some of the things in it are now considered morally wrong. It's not something that has kept up will with the passage of time, outside the underlying theme that people sin, people should be good to each other, and god is great.

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At 1/19/21 03:06 PM, ngman7 wrote: To embrace LGBTQIA stuff is to condone sin. God calls homosexuality an abomination.


You do like to hide behind your religion to be homophobic don't you? There is a reason there should be seperation of church and state, so the people can be equal, and people can also practice religion, if you don't like it, move to a country ruled by the church.


Here's a nice link to do some reading.


Leviticus 20:13 does say "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." but it is how that is interpreted, some will say it means that homosexuality is a sin, like you, others may brush it aside as something from the past, and then there are other explinations, like in the link above.


The way I would interpret this is that if a man sleeps with another male (male used to specify boys as well), as they would a woman to me, implies that the man is treating the other like they would treat a woman, it does not specify a homosexual relationship.


The other problem here is that, if you do assume that it is about male homosexulaity, then all the gay men should be put to death, and as you are such a strong Christan, you must believe such a thing right? Or are you now picking and choosing? Because if you are being picky on that one little point, why take the rest so literally?


At 1/19/21 03:06 PM, ngman7 wrote: I had a problem with Obama supporting same-sex "marriage". He said that "was a victory for America".

God intended for marriage to be between a man and wife. A "union" between two people of the same gender is NOT marriage.


Your god said marriage should be between a man, and woman (also, nice use of wife, as that can imply child) but that is just your god, I don't believe in your god, so why should I have to follow the rules of your god? Again, seperation of church and state.


Also, if we are talking of marriage, Ephesians 5:24 is really not compatable with the real world "Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands." so a woman should be a servant to a man, because marriage? That's not right, nor is 1 Timothy 2:11-12 "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness.I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet." so as an strong believer, do you feel women should not have authority over a man? And that women should remain quiet? Like, come one now.


Now on topic, to your questions.


What would he say about the BLM movement of 2020?


He would probably support it.


What would he say about Covid-19 pandemic and crisis?


Hey'd say "fuck me, there's a lot of snowflakes around crying about having to wear a mask, and calling vaccinations evil."

Response to If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was still around...? 2021-01-19 18:45:43


He would be very embarrassed.


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At 1/19/21 12:50 PM, Gario wrote: i've done no such thing so far

just wait till you get the itch to crusade, to wipe heresy off the face of the planet!


Response to If Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was still around...? 2021-01-20 09:42:06


At 1/19/21 03:06 PM, ngman7 wrote:
At 1/19/21 03:01 PM, Sensationalism wrote:
At 1/19/21 11:30 AM, ngman7 wrote: King was a Christian. I doubt he would support BLM. BLM advocates the LGBTQIA agenda.
That doesn't mean shit. Plenty of Christians follow the actual religion and embrace LGBTQ.
To embrace LGBTQIA stuff is to condone sin. God calls homosexuality an abomination.


God also calls for the execution of rape victims, so I don't think he/she/it should be taken all that seriously.


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At 1/20/21 09:42 AM, DamnedByFate wrote: God also calls for the execution of rape victims, so I don't think he/she/it should be taken all that seriously.


I thought this was hyperbole, but you are somewhat right:


Deuteronomy 22:23-29:

  • If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 
  • you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
  • But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 
  • Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 
  • for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her.
  • If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 
  • he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.


The Bible is filled with antiquated rules. I'm pretty sure people today would not be favorable of the rape victim being forced to marry her rapist, with no possibility of a divorce.


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At 1/20/21 04:38 PM, JerseyWildcard wrote:
At 1/20/21 09:42 AM, DamnedByFate wrote: God also calls for the execution of rape victims, so I don't think he/she/it should be taken all that seriously.
I thought this was hyperbole, but you are somewhat right:


The Bible treats women as property, there are so many crazy things.


If you look at Leviticus 20:10, which talks about a man commiting adultery, and if the view is that women are property, then she can't consent, so being raped still makes her an adulteress, so put to death for the actions of the man.


If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.


You also missed Deuteronomy 22:13-21, where a woman is killed if she is found not to be a virgin, and rape takes away the virginity, so if the woman lost her virginity because she was raped, tough luck, it's stones for her! And if the man wrongly says that his new wife is not a virgin, he gets the harsh punishment of, a fine and having to keep her as a wife????


If a man takes a wife and, after sleeping with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,” then the young woman’s father and mother shall bring to the town elders at the gate proof that she was a virgin. Her father will say to the elders, “I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, ‘I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.’ But here is the proof of my daughter’s virginity.” Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him. They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the young woman’s father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives. If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.


Exodus 21:7-11 is pretty bad too.


If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.


Zechariah 14:2 states that the women will be raped.


I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.


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At 1/20/21 06:57 PM, Little-Seven-Seize wrote:
At 1/20/21 04:38 PM, JerseyWildcard wrote:
At 1/20/21 09:42 AM, DamnedByFate wrote: God also calls for the execution of rape victims, so I don't think he/she/it should be taken all that seriously.
I thought this was hyperbole, but you are somewhat right:
The Bible treats women as property, there are so many crazy things.

If you look at Leviticus 20:10, which talks about a man commiting adultery, and if the view is that women are property, then she can't consent, so being raped still makes her an adulteress, so put to death for the actions of the man.

If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

You also missed Deuteronomy 22:13-21, where a woman is killed if she is found not to be a virgin, and rape takes away the virginity, so if the woman lost her virginity because she was raped, tough luck, it's stones for her! And if the man wrongly says that his new wife is not a virgin, he gets the harsh punishment of, a fine and having to keep her as a wife????

If a man takes a wife and, after sleeping with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,” then the young woman’s father and mother shall bring to the town elders at the gate proof that she was a virgin. Her father will say to the elders, “I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, ‘I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.’ But here is the proof of my daughter’s virginity.” Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him. They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the young woman’s father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives. If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

Exodus 21:7-11 is pretty bad too.

If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.

Zechariah 14:2 states that the women will be raped.

I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.


The thing is, you're discussing old law, the Laws and Teachings upheld by Moses during the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt. For a long while, this was the law that people were supposed to live by.


When Jesus arrived, he made a different approach to the understanding of the old Biblical law. For him, it was the intent of good morals and actions that secured one's place in heaven, not adherence to scripture.


Jesus did not abolish the moral and ethical laws that had been in effect from the time of Moses. He affirmed and expanded upon those principles, but He said obedience must be from the heart (attitudes and intentions) rather than just technical observance of the letter of the law (Matthew 5:21-22, 27-28, 31-32, 33-34, 38-42, 43-44, etc.).


However, Jesus and His disciples did not observe the strict scribal rules against doing any work on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-14, Mark 2:23-28, 3:1-6, Luke 6:1-11, 13:10-17, 14:1-6, John 5:1-18). Neither did they perform the ritual hand washings before eating (Matthew 15:1-2).


In contrast to the dietary rules of the Law, Jesus said no food can defile a person; it is bad attitudes and actions that can make a person unholy (Matthew 15:1-20, Mark 7:1-23). Jesus frequently criticized the scribal laws (Matthew 23:23, Mark 7:11-13) and some aspects of the civil law (John 8:3-5, 10-11).


Therefore, Jesus may have been specifically teaching that the moral and ethical laws in the Scripture would endure until the end of time. That would be consistent with His actions and other teachings. Through His teachings and actions, Jesus revealed the true meaning and intent of the Law.


It is also pointed out that Jesus, Himself, is the fulfillment of the Law (Matthew 26:28, Mark 10:45, Luke 16:16, John 1:16, Acts 10:28, 13:39, Romans 10:4) The sacrifice of Jesus on the cross ended forever the need for animal sacrifices and other aspects of the ceremonial law.


So when the laws that people constantly continue to point out that says "Gays can't be married", it comes from an old Evangelical principle that the texts are all sacred and must be used together. Most modern teachings make the assertion that when Jesus arrived, his teachings lessened the power of those previous laws, as it was instructed that the ethics and morals he exercised were far more important that not eating shellfish or treating women like property.


The teachings of Jesus, the Council of Jerusalem, and other New Testament teachings (John 1:16-17, Acts 13:39, Romans 2:25-29, 8:1-4, 1 Corinthians 9:19-21, Galatians 2:15-16, Ephesians 2:15) make it clear that Christians are not required to follow the Old Testament rules about crimes and punishments, warfare, slavery, diet, circumcision, animal sacrifices, feast days, Sabbath observance, ritual cleanness, etc.


Christians still look to the Old Testament scripture for moral and spiritual guidance (2 Timothy 3:16-17). But when there seems to be a conflict between Old Testament laws and New Testament principles, we must follow the New Testament because it represents the most recent and most perfect revelation from God (Hebrews 8:13, 2 Corinthians 3:1-18, Galatians 2:15-20).


However, freedom from the Old Testament Law is not a license for Christians to relax their moral standards. The moral and ethical teachings of Jesus and His apostles call for even greater self-discipline than those of the Old Testament (Matthew 5:21-22, 27-28, 31-32, 33-34, 38-42, 43-48, 7:1-5, 15:18-19, 25:37-40, Mark 7:21-23, 12:28-31, Luke 12:15, 1 Corinthians 13:1-13, Galatians 5:19-21, James 1:27, 2:15-16, 1 John 3:17-19).


In essence, what is being expressed here is this:


Despite the existence of the older texts, I am not removing them. Instead, I'm giving you a different path that still adheres to the same ethical and moral expectations of what being a good Christian is. I expect you to uphold your end of the bargain and BE GOOD PEOPLE TO EACH OTHER.

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At 1/20/21 10:44 PM, GriffinLancer wrote:
At 1/20/21 06:57 PM, Little-Seven-Seize wrote:
At 1/20/21 04:38 PM, JerseyWildcard wrote:
At 1/20/21 09:42 AM, DamnedByFate wrote: God also calls for the execution of rape victims, so I don't think he/she/it should be taken all that seriously.
I thought this was hyperbole, but you are somewhat right:
The Bible treats women as property, there are so many crazy things.

If you look at Leviticus 20:10, which talks about a man commiting adultery, and if the view is that women are property, then she can't consent, so being raped still makes her an adulteress, so put to death for the actions of the man.

If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

You also missed Deuteronomy 22:13-21, where a woman is killed if she is found not to be a virgin, and rape takes away the virginity, so if the woman lost her virginity because she was raped, tough luck, it's stones for her! And if the man wrongly says that his new wife is not a virgin, he gets the harsh punishment of, a fine and having to keep her as a wife????

If a man takes a wife and, after sleeping with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,” then the young woman’s father and mother shall bring to the town elders at the gate proof that she was a virgin. Her father will say to the elders, “I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, ‘I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.’ But here is the proof of my daughter’s virginity.” Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him. They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the young woman’s father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives. If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

Exodus 21:7-11 is pretty bad too.

If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.

Zechariah 14:2 states that the women will be raped.

I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
The thing is, you're discussing old law, the Laws and Teachings upheld by Moses during the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt. For a long while, this was the law that people were supposed to live by.

When Jesus arrived, he made a different approach to the understanding of the old Biblical law. For him, it was the intent of good morals and actions that secured one's place in heaven, not adherence to scripture.


So, maybe a lot of Christians out there should have a less strict view over gay marriages, then.


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At 1/19/21 03:06 PM, ngman7 wrote: To embrace LGBTQIA stuff is to condone sin. God calls homosexuality an abomination.


Point out where.


I had a problem with Obama supporting same-sex "marriage". He said that "was a victory for America".


It was


God intended for marriage to be between a man and wife. A "union" between two people of the same gender is NOT marriage.


Wouldn't matter, We're not a theocracy.